Post by: alumaweld01 on November 18, 2010, 06:44:22 PM
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Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 18, 2010, 07:04:54 PM
I just like the 30s....
personal choice for the most part...
Post by: norsepeak on November 18, 2010, 07:09:50 PM
Post by: Bofire on November 18, 2010, 07:15:28 PM
Carl
Post by: alumaweld01 on November 18, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
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Post by: Curly on November 18, 2010, 07:31:18 PM
Im looking to shoot 300-500 yards. Its a long shot from me being primary a archery hunter :chuckle:
In that case, the 300WSM will work fine.
I'm partial to the 300WM since I have 2 of them, but there won't be much difference between the WM and the WSM. You'll get a little better velocity out of the WM...........
Post by: thinkingman on November 18, 2010, 07:36:01 PM
Hits harder on both ends.
Post by: Jamieb on November 18, 2010, 07:36:38 PM
Post by: ribka on November 18, 2010, 07:38:26 PM
I can hear the booos now :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on November 18, 2010, 07:47:51 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 19, 2010, 06:53:49 AM
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
Could always consider a .308 Win for those ranges too......
You guys are no fun. I was hoping for a little argument on my statement above. :) I actually would not recommend the .308 for elk at ranges past 300 yards. Not that it wouldn't work, but I think a 30-06 would be the minimum you'd want to try 300 - 500 yard shots. 7mm mag would be better than the 06 and even better would be a 300 Win mag. (Probably could have a good debate on what is better.....the 7mm Rem mag or the 300 Win mag.)
Personally, if I was going to get a rifle that was dedicated to long range elk......it would be a 338 RUM, or an 338 EDGE. Those 338 Bullets have some good BC's and can punch quite a large hole in the animal. But I'm not sure I'd consider 300 - 500 yards "long range". 500 is getting out there......but if 500 yards is your limit, then I think just a plain old 338 Win Mag would be in order. Just get a scope with the ballistic reticle. It will burn a lot less powder than the RUM or EDGE and will be easier on your shoulder.......and you won't have to put a brake on it. :twocents:
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 07:43:06 AM
for 300-500 yards its perfect. No special scope needed - just a crosshair. Sight it in 3 inches high at 100. Dead on at 350. Only 12-14 inches low at 500 yards. On an elk at 500, just hold on its back. There is something to be said for always holding "hair". This may be one of the flattest shooting big game cartridges out there. But I'll leave that to the ballistic guys. Anyone?
Post by: joebear on November 19, 2010, 07:53:33 AM
this rifle will do anything you need it to. I have shot dogs to brown bears with it and they all fall. factory ammo will due you fine i prefer to shoot 180 grain trophy bonded they perform great. good luck with your choice.
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 08:46:15 AM
And here is an article on the 338 EDGE (http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/338-edge-1.php)
Post by: rbros on November 19, 2010, 09:19:32 AM
The 300 Ultra, 338 Edge would work, but in my opinion for the ranges he is looking at...out to 500yds, a 7 mag or 7WSM would fit the bill nicely. Less recoil, great ballistics. Run 180 Bergers and don't look back.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 19, 2010, 09:59:07 AM
For elk, bear, out to 500, a plain old over the counter 300 win mag, 7 rem mag, 338 win, with heavy bullets (not too heavy for the barrel twist, or accuracy could be bad), will do the trick. I've been wanting to build a 338 Ultra for quite some time now, even have an action ready for the build, but am having a hard time justifying going through with it. I currently have a 7STW that shoots farther and more accurate than I can hold steady.....
Post by: MDGrand on November 19, 2010, 12:38:04 PM
In my personal quest to have a big knock down, long range monster I created the following:
Rem 700 - 300 RUM, XCR II, HS Precision Stock, Monarch X 2.5-10x44 milidot scope, 26" barrel, 1 in 10 twist, cryogenically froze the barrel.
Loads:
210 Berger VLD, 3.54 OAL, 87.9 grains RL 25 = 2950 ft/per sec, 0.063 BC 1/2 MOA For Elk and Deer
200 Barnes Tipped TSX, 3.56 OAL, 87.9 grains RL 25 = 3050 ft/per sec, 0.058 BC 1/2 MOA For Bear
Post by: MuleySniper on November 19, 2010, 12:52:50 PM
MS
Post by: WDFW-SUX on November 19, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
Post by: MDGrand on November 19, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 01:15:16 PM
210 Berger VLD, 3.54 OAL, 87.9 grains RL 25 = 2950 ft/per sec, 0.063 BC 1/2 MOA For Elk and Deer
200 Barnes Tipped TSX, 3.56 OAL, 87.9 grains RL 25 = 3050 ft/per sec, 0.058 BC 1/2 MOA For Bear
Dude, those are some really low BC's.......... :yike:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 19, 2010, 01:28:21 PM
Post by: high country on November 19, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
I have to laugh at guys that put a minimum caliber to kill an elk at a given range.....c'mon. lots of elk have been zonked at big time ranges with 308's, 7-08's......260's and 25's.
Post by: Bofire on November 19, 2010, 05:06:18 PM
Carl
Post by: GlennGTR on November 19, 2010, 05:14:38 PM
Post by: jdb on November 19, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
7mm Ultra Mag.... Just a 7mm Rem Mag on steriods!!!just curios where you got that information?
for 300-500 yards its perfect. No special scope needed - just a crosshair. Sight it in 3 inches high at 100. Dead on at 350. Only 12-14 inches low at 500 yards. On an elk at 500, just hold on its back. There is something to be said for always holding "hair". This may be one of the flattest shooting big game cartridges out there. But I'll leave that to the ballistic guys. Anyone?
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
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Post by: jdb on November 19, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
Hehehehe... I love the comments on the 7 mm mag. He did not say what bullet he was using or his load. I love the comments...:dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: ribka on November 19, 2010, 06:13:42 PM
500 yds does not require anything other then a MOA rifle and a decent scope......and real life practice.
I have to laugh at guys that put a minimum caliber to kill an elk at a given range.....c'mon. lots of elk have been zonked at big time ranges with 308's, 7-08's......260's and 25's.
True that. As an experiment I thought that i would just my 30-06 this year. Tikka T3 stainless lite. Shoots really well with a lot ammo but really likes Hornandy 180 gr. Cloverleafs at 100 yds from a bench. It did not kick like my 300 mag and could shoot a box of ammo without getting beat up or developing a flinch.
I put on a decent scope and practiced and practiced with shooting sticks, off hand, prone on back pack etc and felt comfortable out to 500 on a deer sized target with the sticks or supported on my pack. Under hunting conditions limit myself to 400 yds or less. Went to Montana this year and one shot in the neck on a whitetail at a little less than 400 yds.
Looking at a 270wsm or 257 weatherby for next year.
Of course there are a dozen or so flatter shooting, better BC rifles out there. Shoot one you can practice a lot with, feel comfortable carrying all day and have the confidence in shooting
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 06:50:50 PM
7mm Ultra Mag.... Just a 7mm Rem Mag on steriods!!!just curios where you got that information?
for 300-500 yards its perfect. No special scope needed - just a crosshair. Sight it in 3 inches high at 100. Dead on at 350. Only 12-14 inches low at 500 yards. On an elk at 500, just hold on its back. There is something to be said for always holding "hair". This may be one of the flattest shooting big game cartridges out there. But I'll leave that to the ballistic guys. Anyone?
I have that information from shooting my rifle. I shoot barnes ttsx 150 gr bullets @ approx 3600 fps. sub moa groups.
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 06:52:21 PM
He's probably 100 yards off. At 400 yards I can see it being 15" low, but at 500 it should be twice that........about like most cartridges.
Not with the 7mm Ultra Mag -- Its a flat shooter.
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 06:53:49 PM
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 06:54:17 PM
Hehehehe... I love the comments on the 7 mm mag. He did not say what bullet he was using or his load. I love the comments...
I was talking about the 7mm Ultra Mag. Most people dont know much about it or about the 7mm STW which is pretty close to it.
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
Wow, I guess it's flat. I didn't know you could get 3600 fps out them. That's cool. My reloading book is too old to have the RUM in it.
Those are hand loads -- and they are pretty close to an absolute max load as they are starting to show signs of pressure. The TTSX bullet gives lower pressures than other bullets because if their design. I am loaded over the max published load but it works great in my rifle. I think the published data shows max velocity at around 3350 or so....
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 19, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
I think someone said it best, whatever gun (308 and larger) that shoots sub moa, which you've practiced on out to the distance your shooting, will do the job on elk.
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 07:14:24 PM
Wow, I guess it's flat. I didn't know you could get 3600 fps out them. That's cool. My reloading book is too old to have the RUM in it.
Those are hand loads -- and they are pretty close to an absolute max load as they are starting to show signs of pressure. The TTSX bullet gives lower pressures than other bullets because if their design. I am loaded over the max published load but it works great in my rifle. I think the published data shows max velocity at around 3350 or so....
Isn't it great to be able to use 150 gr bullets on elk and have the velocity up that high and yet the bullet won't come apart? You gotta love Barnes. I use 168 gr Barnes in my 300 WM and love them.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 19, 2010, 07:20:04 PM
Post by: Bobm on November 19, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
A 30-06 or 7 Rem mag ect are not calibers they're cartridges.
Post by: high country on November 19, 2010, 09:17:20 PM
Looking at a 270wsm or 257 weatherby for next year.
I have passed through elk at 450 measured yards with a 257 100gr tsx leaving the muzzle at 3600........dropped like a switch. possibly THE most underrated round in existance.......well, right behind the 2bit-06
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
Wow, I guess it's flat. I didn't know you could get 3600 fps out them. That's cool. My reloading book is too old to have the RUM in it.
Those are hand loads -- and they are pretty close to an absolute max load as they are starting to show signs of pressure. The TTSX bullet gives lower pressures than other bullets because if their design. I am loaded over the max published load but it works great in my rifle. I think the published data shows max velocity at around 3350 or so....
Isn't it great to be able to use 150 gr bullets on elk and have the velocity up that high and yet the bullet won't come apart? You gotta love Barnes. I use 168 gr Barnes in my 300 WM and love them.
I've got a few recovered bullets lying around. They definately hold together. My elk this year however at 400 yards- all 3 bullets were pass throughs... Didnt recover any of them.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 19, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
300-500 yds = 30-06 Underrated cartridge for that rangeI'll cheer. I have made a personal choice to not shoot beyond 400 yards; I have an aversion to shooting past 300 yards. However, back in the day I killed many a deer and antelope at 400-565 yards with the 150gr 30-06.
I can hear the booos now :chuckle:
Post by: Hyde on November 20, 2010, 08:13:04 AM
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Post by: HUNT on November 20, 2010, 08:33:41 AM
Can anyone comment on barrel life with the 7 Rem Ultra Mag? I read somewhere that barrel life is low. What is "low"? If a person fired say 200 rounds a year (or less), would the barrel last a reasonable amount of time? The one I am looking at has a 26 inch barrel.
I've heard anywhere between 1000-2000 rounds depending on how you take care of it and what loads you shoot. Heard the same thing for the STW. When mine wears out - I'll rebarrel it. ;)
Post by: high country on November 20, 2010, 08:42:40 AM
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