Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 28, 2010, 08:13:48 PM
Post by: Huntbear on November 28, 2010, 08:14:37 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 08:17:29 PM
You'll hear lots of recommendation in the 270/7mm range. All good, but really not buying you a whole lot more than what your 25-06 will do with the right load.
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:18:07 PM
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 08:18:15 PM
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on November 28, 2010, 08:19:07 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 28, 2010, 08:22:41 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 28, 2010, 08:23:44 PM
take a look at the .270
For deer and elk; 300 RUM.
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 08:26:27 PM
Not looking for flatter just a heavier bullet for elk and close to as flat, I have a 308, been thinking 300 0r 30-06. or am I not gaining enough with 30-06?A 30-06 is a 308 plus 100-150 ft/second. Not too many elk will notice that. If I were you I'd find a good load your 308 likes, practice with it, and take your wife out for a nice dinner with the money you'll save.
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 08:29:35 PM
Not looking for flatter just a heavier bullet for elk and close to as flat, I have a 308, been thinking 300 0r 30-06. or am I not gaining enough with 30-06?A 30-06 is a 308 plus 100-150 ft/second. Not too many elk will notice that. If I were you I'd find a good load your 308 likes, practice with it, and take your wife out for a nice dinner with the money you'll save.
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Post by: ICEMAN on November 28, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
.... If I were you I'd find a good load your 308 likes, practice with it, and take your wife out for a nice dinner with the money you'll save.
If I were you, I would find a nice fancy new rifle that will make you feel like a new man. Your wife will definitely like you better for it... :IBCOOL:
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:31:10 PM
Post by: dscubame on November 28, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 08:33:11 PM
My wife just got a new laptop ;) what is a safe distance you would say a 308 will make a clean kill? I am am comfortable shooting out to 4-500 yards with my 250-06 but think the 308 comes up a little short, am I wrong?
yes. spend the loot on a good scope and lots of ammo. with practice you can be deadly to ranges nobody thinks a 308win can go anymore.
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 08:39:47 PM
My wife just got a new laptop ;) what is a safe distance you would say a 308 will make a clean kill? I am comfortable shooting out to 4-500 yards with my 250-06 but think the 308 comes up a little short, am I wrong?At what distance are you confident of hitting a 8" circle every time on the first shot, under field conditions? There's your answer!
I would guess that 99% of the shooting population will run out of accuracy before running out of sufficient energy.
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 08:46:56 PM
that is how you become a rifleman.
Post by: C-Money on November 28, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 28, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
So would you suggest I carry the 308 over the 25-06 for deer also?? My 25-06 has a heavy bull barrel and wide stock, it gets quite heavy after carrying it all day and hard to keep steady offhand.
I've got a Savage Model 10. It has a 20" bullbarrel with a 4.5x14x42 Pentax scope on it. Accu-trigger too. Kind of heavy, but not too heavy.
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:49:42 PM
I would guess that 99% of the shooting population will run out of accuracy before running out of sufficient energy.
25-06 out to 400 is my limit 500 is a LONG shot I would not take either on an animal if everything was not perfect.
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 08:56:34 PM
Federal offers a high energy load for .308: P308TT4. It is a 165 grain tipped Trophy Bonded bullet at 2880 ft/second. At 500 yards it has an estimated 1375 foot pounds of energy. If you can hit an elk in the vitals at that distance, it's going down.
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:57:31 PM
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 08:59:33 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: high country on November 28, 2010, 09:04:28 PM
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 09:05:55 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 09:09:43 PM
Maybe i am underestimating my 308 then?? but that does not help in getting a new rifle!! :chuckle:That 308 is a worthless piece of junk. You won't be able to hit anything past 100 yards, or kill anything past 50 with it.
There. Now go buy yourself a new gun!
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 09:10:44 PM
Post by: RockChuck on November 28, 2010, 09:13:30 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 28, 2010, 09:19:02 PM
Post by: G.R.K on November 28, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
Post by: RockChuck on November 29, 2010, 05:41:14 AM
Guns and calibers are rarely the limiting factor for hunters. Marksmanship, hunting skills, preparation, determination, and fitness are all far more important. As far as equipment goes, optics are of greater value. If I had limited funds (well, I do... :chuckle:) I'd put them into optics first: binoculars - you can't shoot what you don't know is there.
I agree with all this.
Post by: Crisptrigr on November 29, 2010, 03:54:56 PM
It will up your punch where you want it without magnum recoil, give you a unique rifle not everyone owns, and something new to play with!
Post by: Hyde on November 29, 2010, 09:32:14 PM
300 win mag (or short mag). 338-06 is a good one as Crisptrigr mentioned.
I might suggest tagging along with friends to the range and firing a few different calibers. See how much you can handle and go as big as possible.
Post by: DIGGER69R on November 30, 2010, 12:19:41 AM
If you just want a new rifle that is great for deer and elk then get what ever want 270 and bigger.
to me it's not what bullet you shoot it's where you put it.
308 Win 178 gr BTHP Superformance Match
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
2775/3043 2604/2681 2440/2353 2282/2058 2129/1792 1983/1554
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.80 0.00 -7.60 -21.90 -44.00
Post by: McCascades on November 30, 2010, 04:33:33 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on November 30, 2010, 06:09:09 AM
If you are just wanting to add another great caliber "with a little more punch" to your collection then get a 7mm, 300 win, or 338 win! Right now if you do not reload stick with a popular rounds were ammo is readily available. :twocents: .
Now If your not wanting to spend some money on a new set up do your self a favor top either one of your guns with a good quality scope "leupold, ziess, or Swarovski; invest in a range finder and spend some time with your rifle you will be amazed at what both of those guns will do.
I cant stress enough on buying the best optics you can afford. It just does not do a $700 rifle justice to put a $150 cheapo on it.
Next you say your 25-06 is too heavy to shoot off hand? Change your shooting form instead of holding your rifle in the traditional form with thumb on the same side as your face and midway down the forearm; turn your hand over so thumb is opposite your face and just past the trigger guard this will allow you to use your body to support the weight. It feels awkward at first but will greatly improve off hand shooting with a heavier gun I shoot a 7mm RUM that weighs 18.8 lbs off hand and ding the 600 yd plate all day with this rifle.
With my 25-06 with a contour 4 24" hunting barrel I shoot a 9.5" group at 1000 that is less then MOA. Down side is wind with 115 gr bullet 10 mph wind is a killer on that little bullet.
Personally I would shoot the 25-06 over your 308 but your the one that knows how they shoot and its all about what your comfortable with. you can go buy that big 33-378 weatherby but the first time it bites you your gunna spend thousands of dollars correcting the flinch :twocents:
Hope this helps
Post by: RockChuck on December 01, 2010, 06:18:43 PM