Post by: DeKuma on April 10, 2008, 04:45:52 PM
things could make it any better.
I came home from the office, grabbed one of my brand new Vapor 4000 arrows,
and was hesitant to take off the fletching, but carefully removed the
fletching anyway. Put it on the bow, slid the tester back and forth with no
contact and lots of clearance, so I went ahead and put on the Blaze FOB.
Double checked clearance again. I am using the standard launcher on my QAD,
and since I cannot remember where I put the TL1 to keep it safe, thought I
would give it a go with the standard.
First shot was at 10 yards into my black hole target. Drew back and
anchored, (no problems here) and let fly. Right through the center.
Retrieved the arrow and went for the 20 yard bag target. Drew back,
settled, and let fly, SMACK, dead center again. Okay, still a fluke. Some
days are like this for a couple arrows.
Fired a few more at the 20 yard mark, all in the bullseye.
Now, I am a pretty new shooter, and the maximum yardage I have in my back
yard is 30 yards on the button. So, I only have my pins sighted for 20 and
30. I practice at 30, on occasion, but not as much as I should. I can
never seem to keep it in the bullseye at the 30!
So here I am, 30 yards. Let fly the first one, WHACK, bullseye in the
black. HMMMMM, maybe there is something to these goofy looking things.
Get the arrow and back to the 30 yard line. Same story, same results. :yike:
After a few more arrows, I came in to strip the rest of
my arrows for the FOBs!!
I am a fan and a believer now, and I have not even fired my broadheads yet!
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 10, 2008, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: KillBilly on April 10, 2008, 05:27:04 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 10, 2008, 05:54:20 PM
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Post by: huntingnut on April 10, 2008, 06:07:46 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 10, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 10, 2008, 06:22:37 PM
Just came in from shooting the broadheads. AWESOME. No more fletching for this kid!
I am a true believer after the last couple hours!!
www.starrflight.com (http://www.starrflight.com)
I was not keen on stripping my new arrows, but I am doing so now. Have "Real Flame" arrow wraps from BattleDrum Arrow Wraps on the way. They will look great on the camo Vapor Pros with the blaze orange FOBs and Bohning Nocks.
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2008, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 10, 2008, 07:24:59 PM
Id change every other item on my bow and / or my bow itself but not ever gonna give up my WB.
neat though!
Post by: cackle on April 10, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 12, 2008, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 13, 2008, 02:29:44 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on April 16, 2008, 03:06:36 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 16, 2008, 03:47:57 PM
So far I am a believer and love the way the shoot just like blazers without having to re-fletch!
Post by: KillBilly on April 16, 2008, 03:54:51 PM
With the FOB's I change to broadheads and shoot the same point of impact as the field tip. I will never fletch again.
I work closely with Paul at Starrflight and have FOBS that you can use as a sample. I must talk to all users to insure that they understand the equipment requirements.
You must have a dropdown/fallaway rest fr one, you must shoot a "D"loop for two and the clearance tool that comes with the FOBs must clear all rest,sights, etc. for the length of the arrow.
I have an extra drop zone rest for testing and am willing to help you get started if you want to try them
Post by: DeKuma on April 16, 2008, 04:05:52 PM
Going to talk him into getting on here if he can and tell us his story. It is pretty interesting. Beinga Mechanical Engineer (Now Electrical Engineer) I find it pretty cool how the whole thing came about.
I am a lifer now. Need to get some more and some more arrows so I can use them for demos. Guys at work need a little more convincing that they really do work and work very well!
Post by: billythekidrock on April 16, 2008, 04:16:34 PM
I was at Kenmore last weekend and saw someone using them. I talked with the guy and he loved them. Has anybody shot them with a broadhead yet? What did you exp?
I shot them with 125 Slick Trick Mags and they were fine to 25/30 yards. From 30 to 60 yards I was not impressed.
Post by: KillBilly on April 16, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
Several times I almost spent the money to be a distributor but haven't done it yet. Paul told me outright that if someone calls and says they are from Wash. that he isn't going to steer them to me once he has got the guy on the phone. I can understand that. It would be completely up to me to promote my business. Since I don't want a business and only to share good things and help others I guess I won't do it. I do however always keep a couple dozen extra FOBs for samples.
Yes he and his friends are aerospace engineers and developed an airfoil that almost immediately stabilizes an arrow upon launch. the 4 degree blades spin the FOB independently of the shaft or broadhead. If the fob won't turn with slight pressure, your knocks are too tight and the turning FOB will break itself when striking something solid. The FOB is low profile and crosswinds affect them very little. Although they are made to go on an arrow, remember...they are an airfoil and airfoils are designed to fly. I better shut up.... :IBCOOL:
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 06:50:08 PM
Great Job KillBilly! If I can ever be of any help, just let me know. I told Paul I would be happy to continue to spread the word as well.
Going to talk him into getting on here if he can and tell us his story. It is pretty interesting. Beinga Mechanical Engineer (Now Electrical Engineer) I find it pretty cool how the whole thing came about.
I am a lifer now. Need to get some more and some more arrows so I can use them for demos. Guys at work need a little more convincing that they really do work and work very well!
oh they work...they work good.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on April 17, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Right now I have my bow sighted in for broadheads, because now matter how well it is tuned at 60 yards my broadheads fly righ of what my field point does, so I manually moved my site to correct it.
Are you saying that if the bow is sighted in properly and using FOBS it will not be necessary to adjust between field points and broadheads?
Also, will these slow down the arrow flght because of wait or is the weight similar to vanes? I currently I shot 4 vanes.
Are there any other modifcations necessary?
Post by: KillBilly on April 17, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
I do have a fall away rest and a D loop. Right now I shoot carbon express arrows with 100 grain field tips and G5 broadheads. So how much do these change the wait of your arrow?
Right now I have my bow sighted in for broadheads, because now matter how well it is tuned at 60 yards my broadheads fly righ of what my field point does, so I manually moved my site to correct it.
Are you saying that if the bow is sighted in properly and using FOBS it will not be necessary to adjust between field points and broadheads?
Also, will these slow down the arrow flght because of wait or is the weight similar to vanes? I currently I shot 4 vanes.
Are there any other modifcations necessary?
Yes I am saying that the results I got usinf FOBs alleviates the need to reset/retune your sights when switching from field tips to broadheads. There are some possible small to be made but it would be minimal adjustments. Like leveling the arrow, raising or lowering the rest, correct left/right adjustment, just basic Pro Shop tweaking and I have the tools to check it out.
Post by: Houndhunter on April 17, 2008, 06:50:49 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 17, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
Unfortunately, they do not work for Aluminum that I can see.
Post by: boneaddict on April 19, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 19, 2008, 09:54:40 AM
Do they pass through like viens do, or do they hang up on the hide or break or what? Obviously I couldn't or wouldn't shoot them with the trad bow, but my compound has the same issues as everyone else. I can't go back and forth from filed tips to broadheads.....
They will pop off the back of the arrow. They market that as a spot marker and knowing if you hit your animal. Typically the switching back and forth is a tuning issue and it is something that I haven't figured out yet.
Post by: boneaddict on April 19, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
Post by: rougheye on April 19, 2008, 11:14:38 AM
Post by: KillBilly on April 19, 2008, 12:12:56 PM
A lot of your questions can be answered by the members that have already been through what you are embarking on. In addition Paul Morris (Starrflight owner) has posted some articles that will answer your questions. http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?board=3.0 (http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?board=3.0) http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?board=23.0 (http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?board=23.0)
Arrow selection for FOBs can be found at http://www.starrflight.com/order.php (http://www.starrflight.com/order.php)
You may feel free to call me anytime at 360-451-7784
Post by: Paul Morris on April 20, 2008, 12:45:31 PM
I herd there was some FOB talk here so I thought I would join in if that is OK?
I promise NEVER to try and sell anything. Just answer question and be of any help I can.
I am crazy busy so I may not be able to respond as soon as I would like sometimes. I will do my best. I have always liked to keep things on the open forum as much as possible. Please try not to send pm's if it can be said open format.
I find the keeping things out in the open (both good and bad) is best. Lots of folks will get the information that way.
Just a few words about me...
my background is Mechanical Engineering. I had spent the better part of 12 years working at a rocket ranch (Hughes Missile Systems). I am also lucky enough to say I have not missed an archery Elk hunt in 28 years. I am even luckier to say it has been with the same group of friends. My thoughts regarding bodies in motion come from crunching the numbers. My thoughts regarding arrow flight comes from hunting and the frustration of getting a broadhead to fly.
Best regards,
Post by: KillBilly on April 20, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 21, 2008, 04:27:25 PM
Post by: KillBilly on April 21, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 21, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
The nice part that if you speak nice to Melissa she will design your FOBs for you at a reasonable price.
Design your FOBs or Wrap?
Post by: DeKuma on April 21, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
They will custom design wraps for you.The nice part that if you speak nice to Melissa she will design your FOBs for you at a reasonable price.
Design your FOBs or Wrap?
Post by: Paul Morris on April 21, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
Regards,
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Post by: KillBilly on April 21, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
The nice part that if you speak nice to Melissa she will design your FOBs for you at a reasonable price.
Design your FOBs or Wrap?
FOB or Arrow wraps both. you can send a picture and they will print it on your wraps.
Post by: Paul Morris on April 21, 2008, 08:00:54 PM
Post by: Paul Morris on April 21, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on April 21, 2008, 09:34:44 PM
Post by: Paul Morris on April 21, 2008, 09:49:58 PM
just want to say, if anyones interested in fobs killbilly will take the time to tell you all about them. i met up with him and he showed everything bout them, even gave me a sample, if you interested in them i'd for sure set up a time to meet with him
I second that!
Killbilly is the Washington FOB master.
Post by: coastalghost on April 21, 2008, 10:05:28 PM
Post by: KillBilly on April 22, 2008, 05:25:25 AM
You may have covered this....but what "drop away rest" would you recommend for hunting?
I personally prefer the Drop Zone by Trophy Ridge http://www.trophyridge.com/arrow-rests/dropzone/ (http://www.trophyridge.com/arrow-rests/dropzone/) Follow this link to FOB Nation where Paul has posted extensive info about Drop Rests http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?PHPSESSID=9nk3lsah9copv7rh7n47in76m6&board=23.0 (http://fob-nation.com/SMF/index.php?PHPSESSID=9nk3lsah9copv7rh7n47in76m6&board=23.0)
Post by: DeKuma on April 22, 2008, 06:44:54 AM
Post by: coastalghost on April 22, 2008, 12:04:32 PM
Post by: robodad on April 22, 2008, 12:11:33 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 22, 2008, 12:38:32 PM
The cord on my rest has not gotten tangled yet, but that is not to say it oculd not happen. I was in the thick stuff this past weekend and I know I kept checking both my cord and peep tubing. It is kind of a hassle in that respect.
As for the FOB coming off, that could happen as well in the thick stuff. I have a Cat Quiver that covers them, so it was not an issue. I also used my old Alpine Quiver on my bow on Sunday, and though I snagged a lot of brush, I did not loose the FOB off of the arrow, though I did lose an arrow out of the quiver and had to backtrack to find it. Nice that the FOB and Wraps are Blaze Orange and stood out great against the snow!
Post by: coastalghost on April 22, 2008, 12:52:11 PM
Post by: DeKuma on April 22, 2008, 01:08:13 PM
I use a cat quiv also so no issue there. Apparently, they dont make a fall away rest that is cordless? I have enough of a time catching the wheels sights etc. in vegetation. Love the idea....just dont know if its applicable to the PN rainforest thrash.
You definitely have the "Hands and Knees" type hunting over there. I thought it was thick here in my area, but hunting the OP is something else entirely.
Post by: KillBilly on April 22, 2008, 01:54:23 PM
Post by: coastalghost on April 22, 2008, 02:27:47 PM
http://www.timezonevideo.com/ShurDrop_ArrowRest/
Kinda cool to watch the flex of the arrow shaft in the video.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 22, 2008, 04:16:34 PM
They seem to pop off quite easily, I'd be afraid of losing them in the brush as well !!
That is one of the reasons that I have not switched to them.
Post by: DeKuma on April 22, 2008, 06:00:43 PM
Well...I found a cordless drop away rest. What do you think? FOB ready?That would work. My QAD works the same way. You can use the cord so that it locks up when you draw or you can flip the thumb lever and it locks up. You could actually remove the cord all together if you chose.
http://www.timezonevideo.com/ShurDrop_ArrowRest/
Kinda cool to watch the flex of the arrow shaft in the video.
It works on inertia at the realease to drop, same as the ShurDrop does.
Post by: KillBilly on April 22, 2008, 06:29:27 PM
Well...I found a cordless drop away rest. What do you think? FOB ready?All that's needed now is to check all clearances with the FOB tester. If clearances are ok, and left and right, and level arrow are okay, then D loop needs to be checked. D loop should be tied so it doesn't close which will pinch the FOB at full draw.
http://www.timezonevideo.com/ShurDrop_ArrowRest/
Kinda cool to watch the flex of the arrow shaft in the video.
Post by: Paul Morris on April 22, 2008, 07:34:44 PM
No data on my end. Looks like it would work, my concern is easy of use. When I Elk hunt I like to be able to pull and shoot. This one you need to load and pull up with thumb before you shoot. But without having one in my hands I can not say. I want to see what it looks like pulling back not just shooting from full draw. I prefer my rest to look like a John Deer.
Post by: shanevg on April 22, 2008, 07:49:33 PM
Not sure about this one.......
No data on my end. Looks like it would work, my concern is easy of use. When I Elk hunt I like to be able to pull and shoot. This one you need to load and pull up with thumb before you shoot. But without having one in my hands I can not say. I want to see what it looks like pulling back not just shooting from full draw. I prefer my rest to look like a John Deer.
What do you mean you need to load and pull up with thumb before you shoot? They don't shoot exactly like normal arrows?
Post by: bankwalker on April 22, 2008, 07:59:52 PM
Here are my custom FOB wraps.
Regards,
those are some sick lookin wraps.
Post by: KillBilly on April 22, 2008, 08:13:41 PM
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Post by: KillBilly on April 22, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
What he meant was that with the string/chord dropdown, when you draw back the rest and arrow come up & that's what he meant by pull and shoot. The video does not show how the rest gets up and ready for release. It would appear that you have to set it by hand and leave it up. However the video did not address that.Not sure about this one.......
No data on my end. Looks like it would work, my concern is easy of use. When I Elk hunt I like to be able to pull and shoot. This one you need to load and pull up with thumb before you shoot. But without having one in my hands I can not say. I want to see what it looks like pulling back not just shooting from full draw. I prefer my rest to look like a John Deer.
What do you mean you need to load and pull up with thumb before you shoot? They don't shoot exactly like normal arrows?