Post by: steve04 on November 29, 2010, 05:13:09 PM
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Post by: bornforhorns on November 29, 2010, 06:47:46 PM
I've said it before, anything over 300 yards is not hunting...you haven't fooled any animal. Those who archery hunt would say 50 yds and I've done that too. Personally 200yds or less with a Modern Firearm on deer I don't feel bad about and more importantly I feel responsible.
40 yds with a bow for me is stretching it.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on November 29, 2010, 06:53:57 PM
*censored*s gives a bad name to the guys that put in countless hours shooting long range to make that one ethical shot!!!!
THose *censored*s give the rest of us *censored*s a bad name...
Post by: gaddy on November 29, 2010, 06:58:11 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on November 29, 2010, 07:03:53 PM
Just the BS Murray and her ilk love to get a hold of...
Post by: 724wd on November 29, 2010, 07:04:54 PM
i'm very impressed by those that take the time required on the range and can make ultra long shots. these guys dont qualify.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 29, 2010, 07:06:27 PM
Post by: ribka on November 29, 2010, 07:21:28 PM
I see more and more states are making moves to ban the 50 BMG's. After seeing this video they have some good propaganda. :twocents:
Post by: bigpaw 77 on November 29, 2010, 07:36:25 PM
whats sad is a whole hella lot people think its really cool..the whole video industry is destroying hunting tradition,everyone has to get that 10 minutes of fame,or sell something..I couldnt agree more, This pisses me off and then I hear guys (not guys on this forum) say how cool this crap is, and of course when some *censored* sees a video like this they think they can kill a deer at 1000 yards :bash: All it does is make us ethical hunters look bad to those who don't know any better.
Post by: mkcj on November 29, 2010, 07:37:42 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 29, 2010, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: Deep Forks on November 29, 2010, 07:42:25 PM
f---ing ass kicked which might push their brain back up where it belongs or at least farther inside their torso so they're not sitting on it for such long periods of time. :bash: :bash: I don't see the fun in this at all. >:( There's a lot of difference between the hunters that are proficient in long range shots and these *censored*s. :twocents:
Post by: Jason on November 29, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: colockumelk on November 29, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
if they were competent shots and not missing so much, i've got no problem with it. but to just spray lead downrange - even down LONG range - doesnt do much for me. the fact that they use tracers despite their poor accuracy is dumb.
*Disclaimer* I am not defending them.
These guys are not bad shots and the tracers are not any more innaccurate than a normal round. Everyone thinks that the .50cal BMG is so accurate. It's not true. M-24 7.62mm (.308) sniper rifle is FAR more accurate than the M-107 .50cal sniper rifle. The .308 round has a sub 1" MOA where the .50cal has a 3.5" MOA. You are not going to get a good group at 1,000 meters with the .50cal compared to the .308 no matter how hard you try. So its not so much that these guys suck its just they are shooting a weapon and a round that was not meant or designed for long range precision shooting.
I would like to bring up another myth that the .50cal shoots like a lazer out to two miles or whatever the distance is. If you notice those tracer rounds all arced down at an extremely high angle. Almost like someone was shooting at them from the air. I don't know the drop of a .50cal at 1,000 meters but for those wannabe snipers out there that think that they know how high to hold at long ranges just because they have shot out to 300meters. THink about this. For an M-24 sniper rifle that has its zero set at 300meters. At 1,000 meters that round will drop 360 inches aka 30 feet.
In Iraq our snipers HATED the M-107 .50cal. They only used it if they were in a static position and the commander forced them to use it. If given the choice they went out with the M-24 bolt action 7.62mm/.308. And could and did smoke dudes in the face at 1000meters. But, they were properly trained. Not every azzhat can do this. And no azzhat can do this stuff without training.
Post by: Hunt Blacktail on November 29, 2010, 09:32:55 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 29, 2010, 09:43:03 PM
But having fired alot of tracers in my life time, a lot is to be learned also from this video, it does not have to be a 50 cal for your bullet to go out of control. They all do, so always be aware of the suroundings when you are shooting. You miss and there is no telling where that bullet will go. I have been on KD ranges before and had the bulles go skipping down the line.
Joe
Post by: 724wd on November 29, 2010, 09:51:57 PM
These guys are not bad shots and the tracers are not any more innaccurate than a normal round. Everyone thinks that the .50cal BMG is so accurate. It's not true. M-24 7.62mm (.308) sniper rifle is FAR more accurate than the M-107 .50cal sniper rifle. The .308 round has a sub 1" MOA where the .50cal has a 3.5" MOA. You are not going to get a good group at 1,000 meters with the .50cal compared to the .308 no matter how hard you try. So its not so much that these guys suck its just they are shooting a weapon and a round that was not meant or designed for long range precision shooting.
i watched it with the sound off... they're shooting an M-107? the rifle shown at the end of the video appeared to me (in the 1 second i saw it) to be more along the lines of a custom job. i was under the impression the .50BMG was a fairly accurate round when fired from a reliable platform. and I for one am aware of the trajectory of the .50, as even though it's an awesome piece, it's not immune to the forces of gravity! Unlike my beloved .300 win MAG! flat out to 600! :yike: :chuckle: ) thanks for weighing in with more real world experience than i have. closest i've been to a .50 is ogling them when i was young and dumb! ;)
and i was always told that tracers were less accurate than standard rounds. again, i've not had any real experience with them, just secondhand 'knowledge.'
heath
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 29, 2010, 10:45:46 PM
Most people that attempt to shoot long range have one common enemy----wind drift. The variance in accuracy due to that factor alone tends to be the biggest obstacle. The .50 BMG is still prone to wind drift, but less than the lighter calibers...even the calibers with flatter trajectories. The ability to compensate for wind is one of the main things making the rifle so popular. Ammunition and the rifle determine the accuracy, so yes there are 1 MOA .50 BMGs. It is basically a scaled up .30-06. The AR-50 is sold as a 1 MOA, but is capable of smaller groups.
Another misconception is that it will 'vaporize' things when it hits. It usually just passes through with little damage. When shooting pumpkins, I have to cut a small hole and fill them with water, then plug the hole....to get them to explode. The .223 puts on a better show with pumpkins.
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Post by: high country on November 30, 2010, 08:55:13 AM
took a true *censored* to put that one on the net.
Post by: 6.5swede on November 30, 2010, 09:15:43 AM
Post by: chrisb on November 30, 2010, 09:43:54 AM
Is it hunting...NO
would blowing up cars with a rifle be fun.... hell yeah
Post by: Woodchuck on November 30, 2010, 10:03:02 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 30, 2010, 10:14:45 AM
724, the .50 BMG is an accurate round when using the proper ammuntion. Military ammo for automatic rifles is not made to the same tolerances as match ammo, especially the old ball ammo. If I remember correctly the 7.62mm light machine gun had an expected hit rate of 2%...yeah, 4 rounds out of each 200 rd belt would actually hit. You can get .50 BMG match bullets with BC close to 1.2 now. Higher?
Most people that attempt to shoot long range have one common enemy----wind drift. The variance in accuracy due to that factor alone tends to be the biggest obstacle. The .50 BMG is still prone to wind drift, but less than the lighter calibers...even the calibers with flatter trajectories. The ability to compensate for wind is one of the main things making the rifle so popular. Ammunition and the rifle determine the accuracy, so yes there are 1 MOA .50 BMGs. It is basically a scaled up .30-06. The AR-50 is sold as a 1 MOA, but is capable of smaller groups.
Another misconception is that it will 'vaporize' things when it hits. It usually just passes through with little damage. When shooting pumpkins, I have to cut a small hole and fill them with water, then plug the hole....to get them to explode. The .223 puts on a better show with pumpkins.
very good post and 100% correct. some 50bmg rounds have even higher bc's then 1.2 i think i have seen a few in load books around 1.4 mark. The 50bmg can be very accurate round. Like said the military rounds like the m33 are way less accurate down range then then hornady amax and barnes bore riders. 2 of the most common long range ammo shot by today's match shooters. It all depends on the shooters and what they can do. The round has plenty of killing power. The problem with the 50bmg is getting the bullet to expand. the military rounds like the m33 are steel core bullets. the amax will open up a little bit more. But not much. more often then not, it will just Punch a big hole. if you hit real solid bone, then its going to get nasty.
These guys are just flat out stupid! They give everyone a bad name. From long range shooters to hunters. I have no prob with anyone shooting long range or shooting any cal that is legal to use. I have a problem with people that lob shots for fun, wound animals, and don't know there equipment to make clean kills.
Post by: Hornseeker on November 30, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
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whats sad is a whole hella lot people think its really cool..the whole video industry is destroying hunting tradition,everyone has to get that 10 minutes of fame,or sell something..
YEP
Post by: dscubame on November 30, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Screwed up entertainment right thar. Except for the car that was cool, maybe it was a private lake, whatever you know you would want to do that.
Post by: 7mag. on November 30, 2010, 11:52:55 AM
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Post by: Gutpile on November 30, 2010, 12:26:01 PM
that's ridiculous, I don't know much about tracers at all... are those flames coming out of the back end...if so how could you ever shoot those into a dry field or into the woods? looks like a good way to start a fire, and once it starts they are too far away to do anything about it.... :bdid:
Oh yeah. They do start fires. :chuckle:
Post by: DuckDr.Duke on November 30, 2010, 12:31:38 PM