Post by: csaaphill on December 01, 2010, 01:31:04 AM
I for one would love to be able to do this but never owned one, but brother inlaw er nephew inlaw has one I might like to buy, but only if I could use for hunting.
Post by: Shootmoore on December 01, 2010, 05:10:14 AM
The problem I see is that if crossbows were allowed they would be placed in the archery season. IMO with the new tech of compound bows it has opened archery season up to a whole new breed of "archery" hunters. Back when I first started bow hunting in 1981 most of the other archery hunters seemed to be pretty dedicated to the sport. I think this was do to the "low tech" of even the compound bows. You had to practice to even be able to pull the bows back and the let off was a lot lower back then.
It always made me grin being 11 yoa at the time and handing my old bear compound to an adult who could not pull back my compound. Now a days you can grab a new compound with all the bells and whistles, shoot it a bit and out you go. I have went backwords last year and regressed back to a longbow. I did not shoot it enough last year to be comfortable with my accuracy, so I did not bow hunt this year. I like the ideology of old that you needed to practice hard to be good with the bow. Archery hunters used to have a pretty good rep, and it was usually much easier to get permission on private land because you were an archery hunter. Now a days your almost looked upon as a as just another unkown chance as if you were a member of the orange army.
Shootmoore
Post by: lokidog on December 05, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
You could use them this year during Modern Season in firearm restricted areas. Why not?
Not during archery except for disabled hunters (shoulder, arm, wrist, hand).
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 05, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: ribka on December 05, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
A "cross gun" is not archery. But I know the cross gun lobby is pushing for seasons in all states during archery season
Post by: PolarBear on December 05, 2010, 11:16:25 PM
Post by: csaaphill on December 05, 2010, 11:17:00 PM
Post by: ribka on December 05, 2010, 11:23:04 PM
Practicing with my bow is too much trouble and takes a lot of my time that I could use doing other things :bash:
Post by: Bob33 on December 05, 2010, 11:49:59 PM
http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/pse-tac-15-15i-10-10i-crossbow-review-1.php (http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/pse-tac-15-15i-10-10i-crossbow-review-1.php)
"I became a PSE TAC 15/15i/10/10i crossbow dealer because my own PSE TAC 15i crossbow shot 6 arrows into 1.875 inches at 100 yards, on my third day of shooting it. "
I don't know too many compound bow shooters who can do that...
In firearm restricted areas, why not? They are no more potent than a muzzleloader with scope and 209 primers, or a shotgun with a rifled barrel and a scope, which are both legal in firearm restricted areas for modern firearm hunters.
For all other archery, no.
Post by: PolarBear on December 05, 2010, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: ribka on December 05, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
Not only no but hell no!
X 100!!
We fought very hard for our archery seasons
Post by: huntnnw on December 06, 2010, 12:25:55 AM
Post by: csaaphill on December 06, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
Yes those concerns on poaching are founded, but lots of people would like to have some other choice when It comes to hunting.
Post by: ML_Hunter on December 06, 2010, 01:31:57 AM
Post by: csaaphill on December 06, 2010, 01:38:00 AM
I see no issue for those who want to use it during modern season, but during archery season, keep it bow only. Save for the disabled hunters, a cross gun provides little benefit added, and are much heavier to Carry.:yeah:
Exactly I think so too, I would love to use a cross bow in modern season.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 06, 2010, 06:50:47 AM
BTW, I own a crossbow, have never hunted with it.
Post by: krout81 on December 06, 2010, 07:11:54 AM
Post by: jackmaster on December 06, 2010, 07:20:04 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 06, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
firearm restriced areas never in general archery season. the whole point of Archery is to practice, get close and make a good shot. Whats the point if you can shoot them at 100-150 yards with a crossbow. Rutting elk are stupid. In years when I didn't tag out I could have killed one with a crossbow with one hand tied behind my back. Its a Rifle that shoots arrows. I always have considered Archery the biggest challenge of the year something to look forward to. Part of hunting is not getting an animal some years. If you want garunteed meat for the cost of your tag then go to the store and buy some. Stop trying to make it easier with technology we have done that enough already.I'm torn on the subject myself but seriously you really think a crossbow can shoot that far
Post by: dirty24d on December 06, 2010, 07:34:41 AM
Post by: krout81 on December 06, 2010, 07:56:52 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 06, 2010, 02:26:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 06, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
Probably one of the most effective poaching weapons out there, and most utilized for nighttime suburban hunting. (according to wild justice anyway)No question it happens. However, 90% of us own the most common poaching weapon: a .22 rifle.
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2010, 03:09:43 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 06, 2010, 03:17:47 PM
Post by: csaaphill on December 14, 2010, 09:50:01 PM
For the flat out no's no one is trying to disrespect game jsut wanting a different weapon to chose from. :tung:
Post by: GWP on December 14, 2010, 10:03:59 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 14, 2010, 10:07:13 PM
Post by: sisu on December 14, 2010, 10:36:54 PM
If it goes down that it will happen then make it happen in modern rifle. It is not a bow, it is not ML.
Post by: lokidog on December 15, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
Crossbows might even be a way to encourage people not into guns and without the strength to draw a bow into the ranks of hunters, not that we really need more people filling up the woods. :chuckle:
Crossbows have now been allowed in firearm restricted areas here in WA. I am guessing there have been no increases in poaching or other negative incidents due to their allowed use.
Post by: grundy53 on December 15, 2010, 10:04:18 AM
:yeah:Probably one of the most effective poaching weapons out there, and most utilized for nighttime suburban hunting. (according to wild justice anyway)No question it happens. However, 90% of us own the most common poaching weapon: a .22 rifle.
Post by: grundy53 on December 15, 2010, 10:05:51 AM
Post by: Kain on December 15, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
I voted yes but only for modern. It would be nice in the firearm restricted areas.
I would vote yes but only during modern. It is already legal in firearm restricted areas.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf) Page 70
Quote
Crossbows:
Crossbows may be used to hunt wildlife in firearm
restriction areas. See page 75.
Quote
3. Rules pertaining to crossbows:
a. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with a crossbow with a draw weight less
than 125 pounds, a limb width less than 24
inches, a draw length less than 14 inches,
and a trigger safety that does not work
properly.
b. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
any arrow or bolt measuring less than 16
inches in length and weighing less than 350
grains.
c. It is unlawful to hunt game animals or game
birds with a crossbow that weighs more
than 15 pounds.
d. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not have a
sharp broadhead and the broadhead blade
or blades are less than seven-eighths inch
wide.
e. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is
unbarbed and completely closed at the back
end of the blade or blades by a smooth,
unbroken surface starting at maximum
blade width and forming a smooth line
toward the feather end of the shaft, and
such line does not angle toward the point.
f. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a retractable broadhead.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 18, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
Post by: Ray on December 18, 2010, 08:27:31 PM
I think the crossbow is coming because the NRA keeps backing it along with the crossbow industry. However I don't think most bowhunters are pushing for it at all. I was surprised to see.... what was it? North Dakota recently approve them.
Post by: Kain on December 19, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
Crossbows during archery deer and elk season= Hell no
Crossbows legal all other times= hell yes
I think it would be a blast to go predator hunting with one. Going after bobcats and have a coyote come in....Thwack! Then keep on calling. :rockin:
The only problem I see with them is that they are a poachers dream weapon but I also hate when they outlaw something because someone will use it to break the law.
Post by: lokidog on December 20, 2010, 12:13:52 PM
As nearly everyone has said, NO during archery season, because it is not a bow.
But WTF is the issue with them during Modern rifle season when any other weapon, including scoped ML's can be used? This whole argument makes no sense whatsoever. I think only a couple wackadoodlew states allow them during archery season. For a disabled hunter who cannot draw or hold a bow back though, why not? A neighbor of ours, 30+ years ago, was missing his left hand and had a crossbow permit. Should he not have been allowed to hunt during archery season?
Wow, sounds like the "I don't like baiting and hounds for bear and cats" thing.... :dunno:
Merry Christmas, and yes I'd love to see a crossbow under the tree. :chuckle:
Post by: Rgrady35 on December 20, 2010, 12:31:13 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 20, 2010, 12:32:34 PM
Post by: Kain on December 20, 2010, 01:52:37 PM
"The only problem I see with them is that they are a poachers dream weapon but I also hate when they outlaw something because someone will use it to break the law." Kain and everyone else worried about poaching.... poachers always follow the laws on what weapons they can use? So they only poach with a modern rifle during modern, a ML during ML season, etc.??
No they dont care about the law but if they were never legal, anyone with one, would be a poacher. I dont agree with this Im just stating that it can be abused even worse than a firearm because it has the silence factor.
HA! Modern compound bow= Verticle crossbow! :chuckle:
I dont agree with this at all. I had the biggest buck of my life come out of the brush at forty yard and walk straight towards me. I was unable to draw my bow the entire time and he came to within 20 yards. He finally busted me and took off. Had I had a gun or crossbow I could have been in a sitting position with my weapon already shouldered. You just cant do that with a bow, compound or not. That is one of the limitations and it need to stay that way.
Post by: Bob33 on December 20, 2010, 01:57:25 PM
No they dont care about the law but if they were never legal, anyone with one, would be a poacher.That's true only if you're hunting, right? If you simply want to "target practice" with a crossbow, they're already legal. If they were illegal for all hunting, wouldn't poachers simply say they were out shooting targets?
Post by: Kain on December 20, 2010, 02:15:04 PM
:chuckle: Sure I guess a guy could be carrying a crossbow through the woods shooting stumps with broadheads for practice but I think we are stretching it a little far.No they dont care about the law but if they were never legal, anyone with one, would be a poacher.That's true only if you're hunting, right? If you simply want to "target practice" with a crossbow, they're already legal. If they were illegal for all hunting, wouldn't poachers simply say they were out shooting targets?
Again I think they should be legal for all hunting except archery deer and elk season. I was just stating that they are a very appealing weapon for poachers but that shouldnt be a reason for the rest of us not to be able to use them..
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
Post by: csaaphill on March 18, 2011, 01:25:56 PM
Good issue though and somewhat entertaining.
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on January 24, 2012, 11:00:26 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 24, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 24, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
If getting a archery season was tough then you should know how those that would like to be able to use a cross bow feel.
Yes those concerns on poaching are founded, but lots of people would like to have some other choice when It comes to hunting.
Ok, so lets give up some of our season so they can have their own.....NOT :bash:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 24, 2012, 11:58:46 AM
Crossbow has the potential to be a SILENT poacher during moder seasons..............You can currently use a rifle with a suppressor and subsonic ammo, quieter,faster, faster loading, longer range than a crossbow.
Given the crossbow restrictions in the regs, a modern compound is quieter, reloads faster, and shoots farther than a crossbow...and can already be used during modern seasons.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on January 24, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
Post by: foambeetle on January 26, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Had I had a gun or crossbow I could have been in a sitting position with my weapon already shouldered. You just cant do that with a bow, compound or not. That is one of the limitations and it need to stay that way.
:yeah:
Post by: wraithen on January 26, 2012, 02:38:31 PM
I think it would be horsecrap to use them during archery. During modern or muzzie I see it as in basically the same class as those. A lot of states have just made modern the "use whatever you want" type of season anyway so I say why not with a crossbow?
Post by: BIGINNER on January 26, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Ummm... Hate to break it guys but... If a poacher is poaching, he won't care about the fact you can't legally hunt with a crossbow. They will do it anyway. You're using an anti-gun line of thinking here. If it were a great poaching tool then it's already in use. A .22 with a can is probably quieter anyway.:yeah:
I think it would be horsecrap to use them during archery. During modern or muzzie I see it as in basically the same class as those. A lot of states have just made modern the "use whatever you want" type of season anyway so I say why not with a crossbow?
Post by: csaaphill on April 10, 2012, 11:14:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 10, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
Just kidding you trad guys, relax!
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
:stirthepot:
Post by: huntnphool on April 10, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
How about crossbows during muzzleloader season?
:stirthepot:
LMAO, now you really are stiring the pot. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2012, 11:32:41 PM
How about crossbows during muzzleloader season?
:stirthepot:
LMAO, now you really are stiring the pot. :chuckle:
That ought to get washelkhunter's blood pressure up a bit. I hope he doesn't have a heart condition. :)
Post by: huntnphool on April 10, 2012, 11:34:19 PM
How about crossbows during muzzleloader season?
:stirthepot:
LMAO, now you really are stiring the pot. :chuckle:
That ought to get washelkhunter's blood pressure up a bit. I hope he doesn't have a heart condition. :)
:chuckle:
Post by: washelkhunter on April 11, 2012, 01:30:35 AM
How about crossbows during muzzleloader season?
:stirthepot:
LMAO, now you really are stiring the pot. :chuckle:
Washelkhunter has no heart that he is aware of. :chuckle: The problem for archers is going to be, how do we take the bow out of crossbow?
Post by: dreamingbig on April 11, 2012, 08:41:25 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on April 11, 2012, 08:46:43 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 11, 2012, 08:51:01 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 11, 2012, 08:56:26 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 11, 2012, 09:01:47 AM
There you go....fuel to the fire and stirring the pot!that's what I do.
Post by: lokidog on April 11, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
1. Crossbows are legal to own.
2. Most poachers are too lazy to go to all the work of having to cock a crossbow.
3. Crossbows are effective animal harvesting weapons.
4. Crossbows do not have the range of a muzzleloader, unless you are a really bad ML shot....
5. Crossbows can be cocked and left cocked before firing eliminating the need for a lot of movement when game is close by.
6. Crossbows take more time to reload than a bow but maybe less time than a muzzleloader.
7. Crossbows are somewhat noisy but less than a modern rifle.
8. An errant crossbow bolt will probably not go through the side of a house or car or go nearly as far.
9. Crossbows are currently legal to hunt with in WA in firearm restricted areas.
10. Crossbows have not been implicated in any rashes of poaching to my knowledge.
11. Crossbows would allow youths who are not large enough to draw an effective bow to hunt in a similar manner to archers.
12. Many other states allow crossbows to be used during their modern weapon seasons, by handicapped archers, and/or during archery seasons by archers that are "old". Granted, these states probably have way more deer than we do.... :(
IMHO
1. Crossbows have an advantage over compound and traditional bows by not having to be drawn while in the presence of your target animal.
2. Crossbows offer a safety advantage over modern rifles and muzzleloaders (even when improperly handled).
3. Crossbows are quiet and low impact for those who prefer/need to hunt in more populated areas.
THEREFORE
Crossbows should NOT be allowed during ARCHERY ONLY seasons, except by disabled hunters.
Crossbows SHOULD be allowed in firearm restricted areas and anywhere else a modern firearm is allowed during modern firearm seasons.
Post by: washelkhunter on April 12, 2012, 01:28:02 AM
I don't know too many compound bow shooters who can do that...
Well how do ya do! I think i just found my new crossbow! I cant wait to start hunting archery season with one of these babies. Oh yeah! Man i can hardly wait. :IBCOOL:
Post by: backyard bucks on April 12, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on April 12, 2012, 05:28:58 PM
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on April 15, 2012, 09:42:09 AM
Post by: Snapshot on April 17, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Post by: et1702 on April 17, 2012, 02:13:03 PM
Bob33 "I became a PSE TAC 15/15i/10/10i crossbow dealer because my own PSE TAC 15i crossbow shot 6 arrows into 1.875 inches at 100 yards, on my third day of shooting it. "
I don't know too many compound bow shooters who can do that...
Well how do ya do! I think i just found my new crossbow! I cant wait to start hunting archery season with one of these babies. Oh yeah! Man i can hardly wait. :IBCOOL:
If crossbows have about the same range as a Muzzleloader, maybe they should be legal during the ML seasons :stirthepot: Sorry, WashElkHunter, I couldn't resist
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on April 18, 2012, 07:08:16 AM
I don't think, TwoSixFourWins, that there is a 'protest of crossbow use during a firearms season'. To my knowledge no one has ever asked the commission to consider making them legal outside of the firearms restriction zones where they are currently allowed. If someone wanted to make that pitch to the commission it might get some backing, especially from manufacturers; it would present a new challenge for the majority group of hunters in the state and so it would sell some product.
Well then how many here are opposed to crossbows all together, how many during archery season, and how many would like to see them listed the same as any other bow?
Perhaps a new poll should be started.
Post by: Snapshot on April 18, 2012, 10:31:05 AM