Post by: mulehunter on December 01, 2010, 07:57:10 PM
Headin home more later.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: Machias on December 01, 2010, 08:04:28 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 01, 2010, 08:06:14 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 01, 2010, 08:10:24 PM
Post by: Kain on December 01, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
Post by: Machias on December 01, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
Post by: bucklucky on December 01, 2010, 09:24:25 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 01, 2010, 09:35:34 PM
Mulehunter. :chuckle:
Post by: saylean on December 01, 2010, 09:39:31 PM
Post by: villageidiot on December 01, 2010, 09:43:34 PM
Post by: whacker1 on December 01, 2010, 09:44:49 PM
Post by: Machias on December 01, 2010, 10:33:44 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 12:06:12 AM
Sounds like Scott is plum wore out! Looking forward to some cool photos and a great story. Drive home SAFE Scott, sounds like the dogs did a great job today on a tough track.
Thanks. I made it home safe. After work, I will start write. I must admit myself. I couldnt stop look all over pics. Danm pics look great....
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: bow4elk on December 02, 2010, 12:25:23 AM
Post by: Caseyd on December 02, 2010, 12:57:11 AM
Congrats...Can't wait for the story
Post by: Little Dave on December 02, 2010, 01:25:28 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 02, 2010, 04:43:54 AM
Post by: krout81 on December 02, 2010, 05:35:39 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 02, 2010, 05:44:05 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 06:01:49 AM
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: rasbo on December 02, 2010, 06:05:39 AM
Got home at midnight, unpack put all away and hang up take off hide. Went bed at 3am some up 5am heading to work. I am exhusted. I promise.what ya still had two hrs to post picks LOL :chuckle: get some rest becareful being that tired
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: krout81 on December 02, 2010, 06:08:40 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 02, 2010, 07:07:11 AM
Joe
Post by: Hornseeker on December 02, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 07:41:38 AM
Post by: Idabooner on December 02, 2010, 09:59:18 AM
Post by: coop2424 on December 02, 2010, 10:36:24 AM
Post by: denali on December 02, 2010, 12:59:25 PM
Post by: villageidiot on December 02, 2010, 01:17:25 PM
Post by: bucklucky on December 02, 2010, 01:19:46 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 02:57:53 PM
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: Kain on December 02, 2010, 03:08:57 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Patiently.
Mulehunter.
Post by: wsucowboy on December 02, 2010, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on December 02, 2010, 05:03:42 PM
Post by: denali on December 02, 2010, 05:44:29 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 02, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
Quote
I think Mulehunter is doing this to us on purpose.
The little tease ;)
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 06:35:44 PM
Last week on thanksgiving, He really want to go finish building his project on his Cabin and it end up PILE of Snow and back out. So I plann to go myself to find One Nice Cat just like Bucklucky! :drool: I have met few Cats like his over Idaho and I cant find BIGGER than that. So I decide to invite Mark to go hunt on Open day. So I can spend whole my own time thur winter Searching as much as I can.
I start to look at Calender... Come on DEC 1... Come on Dec 1.... FINALLY Finished my project on a weekend before Dec 1. Whee...
Day before Dec 1 We packed and Head out. Snoq Pass closed 4pm to 5pm. Dang... patient hopefully it open finally get going and snowing storm kinda not bad.
We stayed over a family Rancher and in the morning I plann to take him with us but he have limit time to do so I decide to go with Mark.
Soon We got in two different Location and three Houndmen Rig already came out. THAT EARLY! Dang look like they covered whole mountain and show us that it might not good place to go so I decide to stay and go upper they left to other mountain Because I know some good Big Tom lives.. I spend hour and notice road with snow covered so I took left in to a Deadend Road appox few hundreds feet. We went down hill and Saw a Cut.
What a NICE TRAX! Cant believe three Houndmen rig passed a T Interection and they all didnt check in to little Road! So Lets see...
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 02, 2010, 06:41:10 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 02, 2010, 06:41:59 PM
I'm starting to get a bit worked up :chuckle:
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 06:42:29 PM
Few min later. I had Pup with me and I am not sure if they are working on it so I went out hiking and check make sure two ON Cat trax. And not end up on other Animals. :chuckle:
So it seem good signal after 500 yds hiking taking pic of two hounds trax on Cat Trax..
Mulehunter :)
Post by: Kain on December 02, 2010, 07:01:02 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 07:02:51 PM
So I contiune hiking on my own and watch my Gps Trax. Follow over the ridge and open area I happen to saw this BIG DEN! Oh... Lets see Did my dogs wake him up! :rolleyes: OH YES I look at all TRACKS WOW CRAZY... I follow two dogs Ran stright to Den and Cougar got out and start running away from Hounds. See Trax the Cat came out of Den listen to Hound SINGING....
How fun! I hope I didnt ruined Cougar's Dream while He is sleeping.
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: boneaddict on December 02, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
Mulehunter :)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 07:23:02 PM
Post by: Thenewguy on December 02, 2010, 07:28:39 PM
Thats worse than than a hottie with no clothes on and saying no! Big tease.
let's put this into perspective, how hot are we talking?
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 07:39:19 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 02, 2010, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
Thats worse than than a hottie with no clothes on and saying no! Big tease.
let's put this into perspective, how hot are we talking?
Hotter than a three peck#$% billy goat in rut!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 02, 2010, 08:09:25 PM
Post by: Raul Duke on December 02, 2010, 08:11:32 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 08:22:35 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: 87Ford on December 02, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
Post by: saylean on December 02, 2010, 08:36:56 PM
Thats worse than than a hottie with no clothes on and saying no! Big tease.
let's put this into perspective, how hot are we talking?
and how big...? LOL!
To quote Quagmire, "What?! Fat women need love too....but they gotta pay!"
Post by: krout81 on December 02, 2010, 08:40:58 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
I don't ride mopeds, if you get what I mean!Thats worse than than a hottie with no clothes on and saying no! Big tease.
let's put this into perspective, how hot are we talking?
and how big...? LOL!
To quote Quagmire, "What?! Fat women need love too....but they gotta pay!"
Post by: washelkhntr on December 02, 2010, 08:46:04 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 08:55:46 PM
Congt to our hounds.
Mulehunter
Post by: MuleySniper on December 02, 2010, 08:57:44 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 02, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:01:59 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
Love that first pic mule hunter! i would put that one in the photo of the month contest :drool: :IBCOOL:
I agree with you 100 percent, Last night My wife and I talk about this one of BEST Pic!
Mulehunter :)
Post by: MuleySniper on December 02, 2010, 09:10:11 PM
U can't see it? Its 3/4 up thee tree.
The second one wasn't up when I posted :o
MS
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Congt to Mark the Tag Holder!
DANG NICE TOM!
Mulehunter :IBCOOL:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 02, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 02, 2010, 09:17:48 PM
Post by: RubblesPH on December 02, 2010, 09:19:23 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on December 02, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 09:20:17 PM
Post by: longrange7mm on December 02, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 02, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Post by: 400out on December 02, 2010, 09:25:18 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
Good looking cat! Will you be hunting the same area with your permit?
Yes... More likely something to look for score 16" somewhere... :dunno:
Mulehunter :)
Post by: hogsniper on December 02, 2010, 09:27:02 PM
Post by: krout81 on December 02, 2010, 09:30:11 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:30:29 PM
Big Cat how much did it weigh?
Yes We weight at our family Ranch. Weight 131 lbs and Gut has pretty EMPTY no Deer kill for last two days. If it had killed recently probably weigh 145-150 lbs. I am happy for the Permittee...
Measured 6-8"
Mulehunter :)
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:37:37 PM
Mulehunter 8)
Post by: Gringo31 on December 02, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
It was worth the wait!
Post by: agchawk on December 02, 2010, 09:46:54 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
Mulehunter :)
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 02, 2010, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
So you were able to run that cat with 2or 3 dogs???? I guess i always figured you needed more than that...
Yes i have more and i should have turn loose all. Next time. I will.
Mulehunter
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 02, 2010, 10:06:54 PM
Well done!
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 02, 2010, 10:07:32 PM
Joe
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 02, 2010, 10:07:42 PM
Post by: saylean on December 02, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 02, 2010, 10:14:47 PM
sweet cat, I am hoping to be able to seal the deal on one that size with my permit. Congrats to you and the hunter.
Joe
Ferry Q. I have cut about total i can't remember i think total 15 diff cats in three days worth of my time last year for grant permitted and help bearpaw on their friend cindy the other permittee. Most are old like two or three days old trax, U wont have any trouble find one.
Mulehunter
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 02, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
Joe
Post by: Machias on December 02, 2010, 10:37:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 02, 2010, 10:40:26 PM
Post by: Caseyd on December 02, 2010, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: Little Dave on December 03, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 03, 2010, 03:36:00 AM
Post by: whacker1 on December 03, 2010, 04:04:07 AM
Post by: 509er on December 03, 2010, 04:59:32 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2010, 05:28:06 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 03, 2010, 05:46:55 AM
You may have already said this, and if so, I missed it, but what gun was used to do the cat in?
30-30
Mulehunter
Post by: jackelope on December 03, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
Post by: seth30 on December 03, 2010, 06:37:51 AM
Post by: groundhog on December 03, 2010, 07:13:21 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 03, 2010, 07:13:31 AM
Post by: Idabooner on December 03, 2010, 08:24:39 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 03, 2010, 08:46:06 AM
Post by: bucklucky on December 03, 2010, 09:12:18 AM
Mine had an empty gut also when I killed him . I often wonder how much he would have weighed with a full gut . Empty mine was 160.
Post by: Raul Duke on December 03, 2010, 09:14:37 AM
Post by: Blsum on December 03, 2010, 09:41:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 03, 2010, 09:44:03 AM
Post by: bucklucky on December 03, 2010, 10:07:04 AM
Bucklucky- he said he has the same permit himself. But he wants a bigger cat. Actually I think he said he wants one like you got.
I missed that when I skimmed through .... Im buisey :chuckle:
Post by: gramps on December 03, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
Post by: Machias on December 03, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Empty mine was 160.
What a toad!
Post by: blacktailer on December 03, 2010, 01:39:49 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 03, 2010, 03:00:33 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 03, 2010, 03:55:54 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 03, 2010, 04:04:37 PM
Post by: runamuk on December 03, 2010, 04:09:12 PM
Post by: HUNT on December 03, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
Post by: Huntboy on December 03, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on December 03, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 03, 2010, 07:41:19 PM
Bucklucky- he said he has the same permit himself. But he wants a bigger cat. Actually I think he said he wants one like you got.
I missed that when I skimmed through .... Im buisey :chuckle:
Before you shot your Cat last spring, I went on Grant Permitte from Yakima with my other good family houndmen. We went out search all over those Ferry unit. TRUST me I cut YOUR CAT! NO LIE! I look at the tracks and I knee down thinking thinking should I haul hounds or what... so told myself I am not gonna give this Cat to Grant since He is 12 years old. So I am glad you deserve this Cat. If I didnt know you drew, I could have let Grant shot this Cat down before you head out. :chuckle: I was between two hwy south and north TRUST ME this is NICEST Trax I have seen in this area. Glad I skip and let him live for someone else who are houndman deserve this TOM.
:bow:
Mulehunter :)
Post by: mulehunter on December 03, 2010, 07:46:30 PM
That is a decent Tom Scott. Hopefully we'll get er done with a bigger one!
Yes I am working on it.. It would be NICE to save you 140 Deer for you to get some AWSOME Photograph in future.
I hope Lookout Pack STAY AWAY from our Dogs. :bash:
Mulehunter :)
Post by: mulehunter on December 03, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
I am going to be hunting with bearpaw, hopefully will be able to see you up there. I have to wait until the wife gets back from her deployment before I can commit to the dates with dale.
Joe
Definely would love to help. But I better find something like Score 15" to 16" on my permit first. :chuckle:
Mulehunter :drool:
Post by: mulehunter on December 03, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
Today 6 Female Total 10 :yike: 6 TOM killed in three days. PROVED BEST TOOL!
I better get going!
Mulehunter :o
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 04, 2010, 04:30:01 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 04, 2010, 08:04:54 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 04, 2010, 09:24:16 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 04, 2010, 10:52:13 AM
I will bring some cool pictures. Kinda foggy but had good race.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: Machias on December 04, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 04, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
Post by: Kain on December 04, 2010, 12:48:23 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 04, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Really wish it snow. Dang. It have been no new snow since open day.
I went to gas station this afternoon another permitte caught a nice tom weight my guess 140 lay on his rig. Nice job.
I will try tmw then head home.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: Machias on December 04, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: ribka on December 04, 2010, 05:16:26 PM
Post by: Gutpile on December 04, 2010, 05:21:20 PM
Post by: chester on December 04, 2010, 05:22:40 PM
I really really really really really really want a cougar.
:yeah:
Great story, and sweet pics.
Post by: DeerThug on December 04, 2010, 07:00:09 PM
Post by: bucklucky on December 04, 2010, 08:27:24 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 04, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
I really really really really really really want a cougar.
:yeah: :'(
Post by: mulehunter on December 04, 2010, 09:10:16 PM
Good luck Mulehunter, hope you get that monster you've been wanting!! Wish I was able to go with you :bash:
Thanks. I will try best i can. 7 tom got down since open day. It will be little better since half permitte might not own any hounds i may be wrong. Which i hope it will give me more time and hopefully monster tom somewhere.... coming out.
Mulehunter. :drool:
Post by: Hyde on December 04, 2010, 11:28:36 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 04, 2010, 11:47:17 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 07:16:36 AM
Mulehunter.
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 09:01:22 AM
Post by: bucklucky on December 05, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 05, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 01:27:29 PM
Well, its been 3 hours ..........
3 hours is nothing when you give em a 14 hour head start. :chuckle:
Post by: rasbo on December 05, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
For all you cat hunters... how is lion to eat? I have heard it's excellent.its good,longtats wife made some for the BBQ it was great
Post by: bucklucky on December 05, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Well, its been 3 hours ..........
3 hours is nothing when you give em a 14 hour head start. :chuckle:
Been 7 hours now, better jump it soon ;)
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 04:02:11 PM
We will try next trip.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 05, 2010, 04:05:42 PM
Post by: Idabooner on December 05, 2010, 04:09:28 PM
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 05, 2010, 05:11:31 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2010, 07:13:31 PM
It was a great day. Conditions were about as bad as they get for tracking. Dry, cold and if you were in deer country at all it looked like a corral.
Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2010, 07:18:50 PM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 07:41:40 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 05, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2010, 07:46:40 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
Post by: bucklucky on December 05, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 09:29:10 PM
The bottom one looks like he has some Smokey River in him??
;) You got the RIGHT answer!
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
Sat morning went up Cy searching for Trax cover 30 miles worth of roads trying to learn about what trax was cut from what day and sweep it off so I know it is old. Cuz I left Wed night and it hasnt snow every since. Frustrate about that.
So I left to other Cy. Search cover 15 miles roads. No luck. Come back down finally found fresh trax. Turn loose. Our hounds ON FIRE! So We hike up and spend time under tree.
Cheers!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Kain on December 05, 2010, 09:47:24 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 09:51:34 PM
Ran down East 400 yds Retreed. She is FAST Cat!
CHEERS!!!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Machias on December 05, 2010, 09:58:09 PM
Any of those hounds come from Terry Zink, up in Marion, MT? Love the blueticks!!
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 09:58:34 PM
Awww that kitty looks like he could use a hug and a scratch behind the ear. :chuckle: Those are great pictures. Looks like a blast.
:chuckle:
Mulehunter :)
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
NICE!!
Any of those hounds come from Terry Zink, up in Marion, MT? Love the blueticks!!
No, He came from N.C. Strong Bear Hunter Family. Smokey River line. Sure He can Smell BEAR! Look like his EYE GONNA POP once he strike!
Thanks for your comments
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: mulehunter on December 05, 2010, 10:26:19 PM
So we abort hunt in this Wolves Country.
Head to other Cy I spend 30 miles snowmobile. Soon I unload my sled and start off with in 300 yards Cut a BEAUITFUL cut appox 130 to 140 that STEP my sled Track from YESTERDAY! :bash: :bash: :bash: I left about 830 am yesterday and I saw a Toyota white Rig with a BIG TOM dead on his truck at about 430pm So I believe Cougar Crossed around Noon that I was already left at 830 head to other Cy. Geez.... Again I went up more miles and crossed another Big Female Cut that I already checked and it wasnt cut until sometime Noon same as other. Other houndman turn loose and didnt see any drag blood look like released. So I missed two oppourity if I stayed or come back at Noon. I would have filled my tag on 140 lbs tom. Oh well. Its Part of Hunting.
So We abort and head out other Cy and Cut Female that made three way Traffic on Road and confused us which OUTLINE to turn loose and it was ONE day old. I havent check this CY ever since open day. So Now I know what to look for.
So I went other Cy Decide to go back to Last Tree We Treed Yesterday and it was 16 Hours old Trax. :chuckle: So I leash blackberry walk back to tree and she get FIRE! :yike: COLD NOSE! She ran all way up 800 yds way way up... So I turn loose Elmo He walking like limbing look like Sore feet or peeling from Freeze snow. By half way up he start to bark and One Ranch other side of Hill has few dogs. So they ran down to their Ranch and We went in and picked up.
It was tough day. Sorry I wish I could get something UP for ya to get some Pics. Trust me we will catch something next time.
Picture with my hand cut that Other houndman came and turn loose while I was gone to other Cy. Dang...
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 05, 2010, 10:48:47 PM
Post by: ribka on December 05, 2010, 11:26:10 PM
Would love to watch your dogs work
Post by: Idabooner on December 06, 2010, 08:48:10 AM
Post by: autodink13 on December 06, 2010, 06:51:30 PM
Post by: 6x6rack on December 06, 2010, 07:02:47 PM
Hell of a story and beautiful cats. Your pictures and dogs are beautiful. Thanks for sharing!
Post by: mulehunter on December 07, 2010, 09:17:46 PM
I am thinking about use my BOW! :dunno:
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Machias on December 07, 2010, 09:19:40 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 08, 2010, 06:02:15 AM
Freezing rain at my house this morning. NASTY I hope its better in the valley
Post by: mulehunter on December 08, 2010, 07:07:14 AM
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: boneaddict on December 08, 2010, 07:08:25 AM
Post by: Idabooner on December 08, 2010, 09:25:15 AM
Post by: winston2789 on December 08, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 09, 2010, 04:20:07 PM
so this female lives in wolves territory. I went same area as last sunday and female cat got my dogs lost and got on a day trax. :rolleyes:
Turn loose bad idea... 1 clock. Noo.... i am crazy. no barks. Geez... lost signal 2 miles. Went other cy. Still 1.6 miles. Geez long long long way. Finally treed right before dark. Female cat jumped three times finally she gave up and i was very worried getting dark and wolves might hunt my dogs. So i hurry my as$ hiking up hill deep snow finally found dogs on 3rd tree and caught cat with kitten around.
Congt to my hounds.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: rasbo on December 09, 2010, 04:23:59 PM
Post by: Machias on December 09, 2010, 04:29:14 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 09, 2010, 04:32:31 PM
Mulehunter. :drool:
Post by: Idabooner on December 09, 2010, 05:54:07 PM
Post by: winston2789 on December 09, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 09, 2010, 07:31:40 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 09, 2010, 07:44:52 PM
:chuckle: i wont skip. Trust me. i promise u that pics from this afternoon gonna be awsome pics. :yike:
Mulehunter. 8)
Post by: boneaddict on December 09, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 10, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Dang. If houndmen weren't there at 2 nd area. I could have caught one but lucky them to chase today.
zero for me today.
Mulehunter. :'(
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 10, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
Mulehunter. >:(
Post by: MuleySniper on December 10, 2010, 06:51:26 PM
MS
Post by: ribka on December 10, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
Bone, u wont believe what happen this morning. The reason i didnt post about what happen. When two guys cut cat and i got there. They have no dogs with them. But They are workig for fish/ game tracking cats. They arent supposed to tag cats if houndmen is around. And They left dogs in truck 3 miles and i have dogs with me. And we had a awfully war. Trust me. So i left. So recently evening local gamewarden talked to us because they complaint to them about me and explained what happen. So i lost my oppourity to chase which i am 100 percent legal. And they lost their temper. Wow. Gamewarden think they must to come apologize to me. But too late now. So i left them alone and left to other cy and wasted my whole day. I don't want any problem with those people. I applied five years for this permit and they get paid and yell at me. Pissed me off way off. It makes my day mood down.
Mulehunter. >:(
That's too bad. You deserve an apology from them. I wonder why they canot wait until season is over. These tags are really hard to come by!
Post by: mulehunter on December 10, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
Its too late now. I spend two full tanks after i left from biologlists for nothing.
Mulehunter. :'(
Post by: Machias on December 10, 2010, 10:40:15 PM
Post by: denali on December 10, 2010, 10:55:45 PM
have enjoyed your write up and pics, too bad it ended the way it did.
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2010, 08:36:56 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 11, 2010, 06:08:55 PM
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2010, 06:11:15 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 11, 2010, 07:36:29 PM
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 11, 2010, 07:52:02 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 08:12:15 AM
Here my story....
Left Wedensday evening arrival there and leave everything at Family Ranch and I went out scouting on Snowmobile search whole two BIG Canyons Midnight to learn how old trax and if snow inside trax or if I found one and come back in the morning, Trying to see where I can start because I wasnt there for few days and need to keep tracking with all snow Condition.
Finally I Cut a Big Tom trax So I washed the snow so I will know if he came back or not. I believe TOM Cougar NEVER come back same Trax or stay around. But Tom Cougar usually Travel FAR FAR away walking walking never stay same area and it has snow inside. Dang but He is somewhere going this way over mountain! so I went back and went bed. Next morning Thursday, I look at Map give me a IDEA where He possible heading to and went up same place if can find his cut somewhere. First I went back same place where I cut spend almost 15 Miles search around Canyon and load trailer Head to other side of mountain and snowmobile whole mountain 10 miles no luck head back load trailer and go other side around the mountain and unload drive up 8 miles no luck. So I believe Tom Cougar still inside this mountain hasnt outline cut yet where I spend 32 miles on roads. So I went other side of Valley and spend 4 miles Finally Cut a Female Cougar before Noon. Not interested because it has two" snow inside Trax. I hasnt checked this area day before. I only went two big Canyons. I should have checked 3rd but I need rest.
So I skip and head other Canyon and drive up almost 5 miles finally Cut very old trax. at NOON so I went back to truck and load sled trailer and threw hounds in trailer, Haul UP and released. at 12 45 Geez.. Not smart way to do.
hounds working way way way UP over hill and bad signal. I am by myself and spend whole my time trying to find better signal on my hounds. Finally give me better idea and went down to truck and look at map give me better idea where possible local my dogs. I went for 15 miles circle around over side of mountain and picked up signal 2.6 miles where I am so I find a road. Unload and drive all way parked and hike 1.5 miles Got better Signal and TREED Signal so I Hike hike up and up and up.. at about 300 yds I am getting close to Treed spot and It stopped treeing and Gps show Hounds running. I believe Cougar jumped. So I wait for few min and Retreed 400 yds East So I walk toward to 2nd Retreed. I got VERY CLOSE to them at about 150 yds walking very quiet and Cougar was about 15 feet high from ground. She saw me all sudden JUMP off! :bash:
Cougar Ran stright thur her Deer Kill site. I saw a BIG BUCK :yike: What a CLEVER CAT! She try to get my dogs LOST but My dogs arent dumb! :chuckle:
she ran up 300 yds up hill and retreed FINALLY took few pictures of Cougar kill a Deer. I know there is Kitten somewhere but It getting dark soon and I have LONG way to get dogs OUT of mountain. Finally I got there and LEASHED my dogs and took pics of Mother of Cougar and I abort and drag my dogs OUT of Wolves Country RIGHT BEFORE DARK!
Cheers...
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 12, 2010, 08:24:32 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 08:29:02 AM
Here pics.
Mulehunter :)
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
Here was what I saw on the quotas for today
Chelan - closed, quota met.
Stevens/Pend Oreille - 5 males only
Okanogan - 4 females 6 total
Klickitat - 3 female 6 total
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 08:37:24 AM
Mulehunter >:( >:( >:(
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 12, 2010, 08:39:03 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 08:43:39 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 09:18:04 AM
Oka I see they dont have dogs with them yet. So I load and haul over there.
Less 3 miles saw them standing and I arrival there. I said hello how ya doing. They said yea was this your truck parking front of our. I said No not mine. I just arrival. He said any luck with Cougar. I said I found big tom from other side of Mountain and I spend whole day look for this one yesterday and the reason I am here looking for him. He show me this track just FRESH CUT! :yike: FINALLY I knew I would find fresher cut right there! I asked him Do you have Permit to kill. They said no we are biologlist and were here for Collaring. I asked him, I would like to hunt him. He said No you can hunt him tomorrow. You can go other place and come back Tomorrow. I said Do you have dogs? He said I am going back get dogs. I said I have dogs. WHO EVER TURN LOOSE FIRST get Cat. He step to me said GET OUT! I said wait min...say what.. are you telling me to get out. We have special permit tags to hunt here! Give me chance to kill Met QUOTA!
Thats why WDFW give Permits to reduce overpopulation Cougars. I am afraid WDFW will redraw more permits to other houndmen because not enough houndmen willing to KILL to meet quota. I dont get PAID for hunting Cougar. I spend hundreds dollars Can I turn loose on this Tom Cougar,
He YELL AT ME! I am deaf WHOA!!! Are you crazy.. Well I am not trying to be RUDE! Biologlist SUPPOSED to support HOUNDMEN! But they get paid everytime they go. Free Truck, Free Clothes, Paid 300 to 350.00 per day. They get to play all year around. Give us houndsman a break. We wait all year, every year to hope to get special draw, now's my chance! I take vacation time from work to go, i spend alot on gas, tags, dog food, vet bills etc etc etc. All this for a perfect chance like this day. Fresh cut, tom cat!! Damn it! You have no idea how angry they get when I pull hounds out of Trailer. they look like going to BEAT Me UP!
For Example.
two hunters.... One hunter saw a NICE BUCK and no Rifle! Other hunter saw too.. but He have rifle. So who going first. RIFLE HUNTER! and Other hunter with no RIfle cant COMPLAINT about it.
Thats exactly what I am trying to give him a POINT. TURN LOOSE who ever got dogs on first to TAG IT!
So they got VERY ANGRY with me.They Radio'd for back up. So I said forget it and I left them alone. Head out to other, I was very upset. I spent two Tanks of Gas on Snow mobile all day for nothing. I would have filled Tag if Biologlist would allow me. but They REFUSED! So How can I have my OWN TIME to help WDFW to reduce Quota if Biologlist is taking over the mountain with their fun time.
I lost my damn oppourity to hunt my nice TOM! I believe TOM will not be around here since Tom will Travel stright over mountains I dont know where he heading to.
So after getting dark. Head back to Family Ranch. I was very upset and try to cool myself off. Later Local Gamewarden found us and talked about it. Two local Gammie agreed this I am FULL 100 percent allowed to throw hounds on it. But we abort it because I dont know how Gamewarden can be VERY BAD MOOD or good mood or on their Biologlist SIDE or against me or who knows I afraid to get anything Ticket. I HATE tickets.. I am just trying to do my own thing, not cause any problems.
So Local Warden told them to NOT Collar any Cougar when Houndmen are around. So Officer said VERY SORRY about this. Its wrong.
I would have Treed two Cougars in two days! Dang.. Oh well. Gotta try next day. what a waste my day for nothing.
Mulehunter :(
Post by: SuperDave on December 12, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 12, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
Great photo's and stories Mulehunter! A shame that you were treated that way by the biologists, total B.S.! How are they collaring cats with out dogs?
Sounds like a conflict of interest to me (Bios, using their "authority" to tell a houndman not to hunt a cat, so they can get paid for it). I think maybe WDFW should get a formal complaint... :dunno:
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 09:29:16 AM
Great photo's and stories Mulehunter! A shame that you were treated that way by the biologists, total B.S.! How are they collaring cats with out dogs?
Picture they have hounds in back. They went out local Cut then come back get hounds.
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 09:30:32 AM
TRUST ME I want to drive to OLYMPIA tomorrow!
Mulehunter :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
Post by: SuperDave on December 12, 2010, 09:38:44 AM
Post by: Hyde on December 12, 2010, 09:41:44 AM
Hang in the Mulehunter, we're all pulling for you. I'd offer to ride "shotgun" for you, but I'm way too out of shape for a lion hunt.
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 09:42:41 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 09:45:08 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 12, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on December 12, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
MS
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 09:57:36 AM
Bummer Mulehunter. I wonder what would have happened if you ran your dogs anyway? I'm not sure what "authority" a bio has though.
MS
Really... Read Page 58 on bottom left. Reg hunting season book Pursuit and add permit to other houndmen.
It said if Houndmen didnt kill enough met quote, they will draw to add more houndmen after Feb 15. How much time I spend wasted if Biologlist took twice on this mountain. My lost time lost gas money lost. :bash: and they get increase money in their pocket and play and push me off. I
If I tried so hard to catch a TROPHY TOM cougar but they are PUSHING ME OFF the mountain and if WDFW found that I cant prove it to WDFW they will add more HOUNDMEN to kill but how am I supposed to get my chance to hunt while Biologlist taking over the mountain. I spend a lots of area myself and search every miles I drive.
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
YOU SEE THIS PICTURE.... :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: FIVE FKING BIOLOGLISTS TRUCKS NEXT DAY ON SATURDAY. It only cover 8 miles canyon. REALLY THANK YOU WDFW PEOPLE.......I really really look forward to hunt a Big TOM!
So this is them flexing their muscles at me.. The game warden told them to back off and let me hunt that area, But instead they brought more friends. YOU SEE..... Thats HOW they are PROTECTING Cougars from US as HOUNDMEN!
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO HUNT when I DRAW my fking permit after five years waitting...
BULLLLSHIIITTT!! I am going to OLYMIPA Office tomorrow.
Mulehunter >:( >:( >:(
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
Mulehunter
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2010, 10:53:12 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 10:57:04 AM
How many WDFW biologists does it take to screw in a lite bulb? That sucks Mulehunter, I know how hard you work to get your cats, then to have some dink-off biologists pulling power trips. Some heads need to roll.
Well said. I hope you willing call WDFW ask them Please this is soo WRONG!
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 11:01:57 AM
I will write new story after I left.
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 11:13:17 AM
Do you know what biologist it was?
I dont know.
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 11:33:15 AM
I went out search again and no luck so I decide to packback hiking with two hounds leashed walking went thur mountain between two sides that I have never done this before. I decide to walk search and found Cut. So I released. OH MAN! LONG DAY for me.
Spend whole afternoon searching and they havent treed for long long time. Lost signal for hour. I am stuck in middle of mountain. So I spend hiking worst steep hill and my legs get so tired. I kept suffer and working on getting top and finally pick up signal almost 1 mile from where I am. So I hike down and down. NOT AGAIN! down and down. Saw my hounds Treed a Cougar. I take off and get leash on my hand sneaking toward. I wish I had a Video Camera. Most cool thing I ever watch Cougar is about three feet apart to two hounds. Fighting eachother from above and below.
I contiune sneaking toward to GRAB my hounds but soon at 70 feet Cougar jump off and I threw my leash said No way LONG way down... I had to DRAG my dogs back up top one mile :bash: So I look around tree to make sure no Kitten around but found kitten! :bash: So I cant kill this Cougar. so I took pictures of kitten and went down 600 yds down from first tree. Soon I got there close and close I sneak over there GRAB MY DOGS and Leashed on Tree. FINALLY I am safe. I dont want other reTreed way down. Really STEEP HILL. Three ft snow.
Took pics and told myself GET OUT OF HERE! It been snowing since I turn loose. Snow raise so fast so soon I got back to truck three inches all over!
Glad I made it out safe and head home. I heard 14" dumped after I left and still snowing. :yike: Good Call.
Mulehunter :)
Post by: denali on December 12, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
Giv'em Hell when you get to Olympia >:(
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on December 12, 2010, 11:54:55 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
dude no offense but its hard to understand what you say
What part you dont understand I can help explain better.
Mulehunter
Post by: winston2789 on December 12, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 12:25:56 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
I fixed your exposure a bit....
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Fcougarkittten.jpg&hash=ca8156c6d97a99edccd51210a38100cbf51fb0cd)
Post by: gaddy on December 12, 2010, 12:28:32 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on December 12, 2010, 12:51:18 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 12:51:59 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
If you can post a number to call or a person to talk to post it because it;s *censored* what they did to you. Masybe you can get a permit for next year because they are screwing up your this years hunt. Budget cuts need to take some of the biologists first.
I will try to get all contact information for these jerks.. THanks for your support, and yes budget cuts! Let start with these guys. Its not just about me, this could have happened to anyone. They dont own the forrest and everything in it.
Mulehunter
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
Post by: saylean on December 12, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 01:12:05 PM
THIS IS WASTED MONEY from your Tags for only one unit. Each Biologlist could go other units and collar some Cougars but there is only ONE BIG cougar in this unit and FIVE biologlist still making MORE money with in next day or later in other Units. Its SOO OBVIOULY that they are ANGRY at me and other permittee as houndman for what but they are PROTECTING Big TOM from me or other permittee.
Mulehunter :bash:
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 12, 2010, 01:17:14 PM
Post by: Idabooner on December 12, 2010, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: RubblesPH on December 12, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: lokidog on December 12, 2010, 06:05:17 PM
Keep up the good work, wac-a-cat!
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 12, 2010, 06:15:31 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 06:22:02 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 06:23:12 PM
Post by: Machias on December 12, 2010, 06:35:25 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 06:41:46 PM
Thanks for all comments. Glad u like those pics. It would dang be cool with bone' s camera. Let's try soon.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: RubblesPH on December 12, 2010, 06:46:20 PM
If I remember right, there were two sets of bio's running hounds while I was there. Ended up moving to another part of the unit.....too crowded.
Gave some info to Mulehunter, but have to get my lion hunt file from work to get names/specifics.
Post by: boneaddict on December 12, 2010, 06:50:25 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 12, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Awesome photos!!!!!!! Amazing story, I WILL call WDFW tomorrow to voice my disgust and displeasure. I will make a few calls tomorrow. Probably get lip service, just like always. This really ticks me off. :bash:
Thanks. I am sure u know more than anybody about how houndmen system works. Do u think Dennis beach is good to start. He is local in Ephrata who runs all. I wonder if Donny m will help. I wish I know which to start with tmw
Mulehunter
Post by: Machias on December 12, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Post by: carver52 on December 12, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
It would have been real hard for me to walk away from mulehunters situation. He's a better man then me for his actions. Something like that is illegal for all of us to do, it's called hunter harrasment, so why didn't the gamewarden fine those guys? Oh yeh, the same reason most any law enforcement can get away with other things I guess. Too bad he didn't get their names. But the gammie has them so why should we trust gamewardens if they let crap like that walk? Yeh I'mventing, this just makes me real mad. Those guys are in reality our employees, we pay their salary. OK, I'll stop now.
Goodluck Mulehunter, go get your big tom.
Post by: jager on December 13, 2010, 05:27:00 AM
It's really too bad about the "jerks". I'm sure nothing will happen. :bash:
Good Luck! Looks like a lot of fun.
Great pics!
Post by: villageidiot on December 13, 2010, 07:25:12 AM
Post by: alanger on December 13, 2010, 07:32:53 AM
Post by: Machias on December 13, 2010, 07:46:15 AM
It appears this once beneficial collaring program has met it's goals and needs to be ended. With the economic crunch this is one of those programs that needs to vanish. It has created a thug group that have become arrogant and are allowed to break nearly any law they want. They can hunt all year, snomachine in no snomobile areas, go behind locked gates, buy no license, put in for no draws, use game dept. gasoline, radios and a multiple list of costly devices that have retained plenty of data over the years. What has come of this data that is a benefit? Now this group of individuals have been given free reign long enough they have become arrogant and are pointing fingers, screaming in the faces and calling the sportsmen expletives to their faces with no repremand from the WDFW. When they see the houndsman they feel like they are looking at competition and run him off. Any houndsman would love to get to be one of these guys but when it comes to this group given the ability and right to protect certain cougars from the lucky winner of a cougar drawing it's gone too far. If we start calling our legislators and recommend they end this program we can get it stopped and save the state money plus eliminate the intimidation this thug group has developed towards their fellow houndsmen. Back in the good old days if an officer or anyone wearing WDFW insignia on their lapel was to call anyone a demeaning or vulgar name they would have been dismissed immediately. In Scotts case he went back to the same area the next day to chase the big tom he was run off of and they had 5 vehicles covering the area so Scott felt intimidated and just turned around and left. Evidently this thug group was encouraged the continue the arrogant course they have developed. Call your legislators. They are looking for ways to save the state money and this one would be a benefit to everybody except the arrogant group it would eliminate.
Great Idea!!
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 13, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
I was always told there are 2 sides to any story and so far we have only heard one side. I think most folks attitude are reflective of the attitude presented to them! That also includes law enforcement. Maybe some of you who are in law could share or have some input on that.
Post by: jstone on December 13, 2010, 09:34:29 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 13, 2010, 10:15:50 AM
You have to embrace the mob mentality on here!! Let's get a rope and hang em!!
I was always told there are 2 sides to any story and so far we have only heard one side. I think most folks attitude are reflective of the attitude presented to them! That also includes law enforcement. Maybe some of you who are in law could share or have some input on that.
If you are waiting to hear the second side of the story...you may be waiting a while.... I choose to believe mule hunter. His story sounds good to me, he has a great reputation here, plus pics to back up his claims.
I agree that there probably is another perspective on the story, I just bet that it is this BS uberleftwing ecosavior mentatlity that has invaded our dept of wildlife. And to make it worse, we are paying for it.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 13, 2010, 10:25:04 AM
Probably the closest thing you are going to get to "the other side of the story" is this:
WE are biologists
WE work for the Government
That makes US more inmportant than YOU
We are doing our job
Leave us the hell alone, and don't ask any questions
We're from the Government, and we're here to "help"...
Post by: wolfbait on December 13, 2010, 11:13:56 AM
You have to embrace the mob mentality on here!! Let's get a rope and hang em!!
I was always told there are 2 sides to any story and so far we have only heard one side. I think most folks attitude are reflective of the attitude presented to them! That also includes law enforcement. Maybe some of you who are in law could share or have some input on that.
If you are waiting to hear the second side of the story...you may be waiting a while.... I choose to believe mule hunter. His story sounds good to me, he has a great reputation here, plus pics to back up his claims.
I agree that there probably is another perspective on the story, I just bet that it is this BS uberleftwing ecosavior mentatlity that has invaded our dept of wildlife. And to make it worse, we are paying for it.
x2
Post by: boneaddict on December 13, 2010, 11:22:42 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 13, 2010, 11:25:42 AM
Post by: tlbradford on December 13, 2010, 11:52:19 AM
- Why were the original bios not able to make the collar the day before?
- Why does it take 5 of them to make the collar the next day?
- Why were they there when it is clearly stated that they are not to do this during the hound season?
- Why were they there en force, when the local game warden told them to wait?
It seems pretty clear they were flexing their muscles. They have no right to run off Scott. I wish this would have happened to an attorney or judge. They would have had their asses handed to them for violating rights and overstepping their authority. Scott if an encounter like this happens again turn your dogs loose. My brother-in-law, an attorney in Tonasket, has volunteered to represent you for free. You may have to take him out hunting a couple times though. I sincerely hope that our little phone campaign gets those guys into a director's office for an ass-chewing.
Post by: buckhorn2 on December 13, 2010, 12:00:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2010, 12:42:05 PM
This does not surprise me though, after I was treated like a criminal in Capitol Forest by biologists working on a bear study last spring (on a Saturday.) I was interrogated and harassed by two DFW biologists all because I had the misfortune of my vehicle breaking down and blocking a road that happened to lead to one of their bear traps. I pushed it down the road to a wide spot and out of the way so they could get by, but they came back a little later and questioned me as to what I was doing out there and why I had a plastic dog crate in the back of my Bronco. They did the questioning by getting in my face and shouting at me. >:( I never did figure out why they had such a problem with me having an EMPTY dog crate in my vehicle. ???
I had always thought of the WDFW as a "friend" to hunters, and I always supported them as much as possible. But not anymore.
Post by: Machias on December 13, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
You have to embrace the mob mentality on here!! Let's get a rope and hang em!!
I was always told there are 2 sides to any story and so far we have only heard one side. I think most folks attitude are reflective of the attitude presented to them! That also includes law enforcement. Maybe some of you who are in law could share or have some input on that.
Nope, no hanging needed, but an apology would be a good start.
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 13, 2010, 03:30:30 PM
I am a biologist and I would NEVER dream of interfering with any hunters opportunities.... There will be more chances to collar other critters down the road! I'll guarantee...if I was the bio there, i would have encouraged you to tree the cat and would have asked if we could help you drag him out and maybe get some measurements and a tooth!!!
I drew the tag in 1989.... that was a great hunt!! (White River)
Post by: Little Dave on December 13, 2010, 04:18:55 PM
An organization I work with has a collaring project, but it does not take place during the general season for both ethical and safety reasons. The darting agent can be hazardous if the meat is consumed.
Nobody is above the law and I believe this applies:
RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
(2) Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife is a gross misdemeanor.
Post by: Little Dave on December 13, 2010, 05:11:57 PM
Would you please discuss the matter with the Department of Fish and Wildlife? Ideally, they can reduce the excess budget they are using to collar animals during the general season, jeopardizing the value of one of their most critical revenue streams.
Post by: villageidiot on December 14, 2010, 06:08:08 AM
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:
(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or
(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.
(2) Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife is a gross misdemeanor.
Not sure this law could have been any more clearly broken than in this case. So if these WDFW employees are cited and are working for WDFW, does WDFW pay the fine to themselves. Out of left pocket into right pocket?
Post by: Hornseeker on December 14, 2010, 07:06:07 AM
What you got left for season Mule? Clean into March or what? What part of the state is your permit for?
Post by: mulehunter on December 14, 2010, 07:18:23 AM
Trust me I have got letter set and mailed and email with attach of pictures and two full names biologlist who treat me poorly behave during my hunting.
I will email to congress today since I emailed all to four others yesterday. Hopefully it will change little better for your oppourity hunting.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 07:19:05 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on December 14, 2010, 09:22:16 AM
I want hound guys to stand behind me, so I stand behind them when needed.
I live here in Olympia and will be sending an email of concern later today. (Out sick today, great timing...)
Post by: Hornseeker on December 14, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Its too bad more sportsman didn't stand behind the houndsmen in 96'... that was a friggin joke.
WHO owns the dogs WDFW is hunting with? Those hound guys (I assume they aren't owned by the bios) should boycott WDFW.
I will say this though.... in 96 the Popular Vote said, "NO MORE HOUND HUNTING FOR CATS AND BEARS"... and WDFW has made it happen again... just remember that. They have flatly gone against the popular vote and the initiative process. Good For Them.
If all hound hunters said, "nope, we cant help you run and collar cats and Nope, we cant take out that problem lion in town" then things would have to change....
Post by: Curly on December 14, 2010, 10:00:26 AM
I also wonder who owns the hounds that WDFW uses. ???
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
Oh man... quota...that sucks Mule... I hope you can get one! If not, you've had some good days out and treed some cats...so that at least will live with ya.
Its too bad more sportsman didn't stand behind the houndsmen in 96'... that was a friggin joke.
WHO owns the dogs WDFW is hunting with? Those hound guys (I assume they aren't owned by the bios) should boycott WDFW.
I will say this though.... in 96 the Popular Vote said, "NO MORE HOUND HUNTING FOR CATS AND BEARS"... and WDFW has made it happen again... just remember that. They have flatly gone against the popular vote and the initiative process. Good For Them.
If all hound hunters said, "nope, we cant help you run and collar cats and Nope, we cant take out that problem lion in town" then things would have to change....
Not exactly true, and not living here you wouldn't have heard how it came about but suffice it to say this was NOT the WDFW doing, bring the limited cat hunting back. It was 5 counties basically telling the state either you bring back cat hunting with dogs and solve the MANY cat/human/pet/livestock issues or we will deputize folks and they WILL solve the problem. It got very heated, lots of pressure from county residents before they came up with public safety removals and that morphed into the program/study we have now. This is NOT a permanent deal yet....might never be.
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 10:05:36 AM
Good points Iceman and Hornseeker.
I also wonder who owns the hounds that WDFW uses. ???
Private guys, your always going to find someone who just wants to fun their dogs, they will always have volunteers. No different than the many Nuisance Wildlife Control guys who do the problem animal trapping.
Post by: Special T on December 14, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
Post by: Special T on December 14, 2010, 12:13:51 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 14, 2010, 12:16:08 PM
If just for a while, they hound guys could band together and say "Nope... you chase them down with your two feet or buy your own dogs or whatever"....
I used to know a good majority of the hound hunters in the state... is the Hound Council still alive?? I left this prob behind about 13 yrs ago and so did my dad... but now I'm getting all fired up again dam it...
Post by: LRP on December 14, 2010, 01:07:39 PM
LRP
Post by: Special T on December 14, 2010, 01:15:22 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 01:26:28 PM
Mulehunter, that's a great story. But, someone asked for the other side of the story. Here it is. First, there were not 5 biologist, only one, the others as you know were houndsmen like Mulehunter, volunteers, and not paid. So, only 1 paid employee. Second, Mulehunter did turn his dogs out on that cougar, and the biologist, and volunteer left. He could have pursued that cat but didn't. I know, we all get worked up when we hear these things, but lets remain calm do the right things, not hurt our selves. Mulehunter had a great experience in Gods country and knows that. Only about 5% of the hunters in this state will ever experience that. Treasure those times. And remember, that biologist is working for you, so yes you need to comment on what the State does. But, hostility will not get you anywhere. His research does determine those quota's. This is the first time I have been to this site, saw the post, knew I had to comment, registered, made my comment, and that's the truth. Shoot straight my friends, and yes there is two sides to a story. My God be with you and take care of you in the field.
LRP
so did he turn on after you guys ran him off and left, how many hours after is what i want to know. and why were you collaring cats when you shouldn't of, far as i know you couldn't of pursued that cat. and why did you not let him run the cat since your not supposed too anyways?
your going to need to answer some Q's, and not just from me i would imagine, if you want people to see your story as credible
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 14, 2010, 01:27:34 PM
LRP i hear what you are saying... Can you give us any insight as to WHY they were doing this work in an open area?
:yeah:
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 01:28:15 PM
Mulehunter, that's a great story. But, someone asked for the other side of the story. Here it is. First, there were not 5 biologist, only one, the others as you know were houndsmen like Mulehunter, volunteers, and not paid. So, only 1 paid employee. Second, Mulehunter did turn his dogs out on that cougar, and the biologist, and volunteer left. He could have pursued that cat but didn't. I know, we all get worked up when we hear these things, but lets remain calm do the right things, not hurt our selves. Mulehunter had a great experience in Gods country and knows that. Only about 5% of the hunters in this state will ever experience that. Treasure those times. And remember, that biologist is working for you, so yes you need to comment on what the State does. But, hostility will not get you anywhere. His research does determine those quota's. This is the first time I have been to this site, saw the post, knew I had to comment, registered, made my comment, and that's the truth. Shoot straight my friends, and yes there is two sides to a story. My God be with you and take care of you in the field.
LRP
So LRP, that's the truth? What is the truth? How about you tell us who you are and a little about yourself and why you think or how you know that mulehunter is lying or stretching the "truth" as you are insinuating. I have heard it from two guys that were there and his version sounds pretty well spot on. Photos don't lie either. And PLEASE the bios are working for us, give me a break. You mean like the bios who planted lynx fur and have lied to us over and over through the years, is that what your referring to when you say they are working for us?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 14, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 01:36:16 PM
I bet we don't hear again from LRP
no i dont think so
i know i wasnt there and can only go off what i read here, but it sounds like they are "personally" attached to the cat and dont want it to be killed by anybody. otherwise i cant understand why a real biologist wouldnt want mulehunter to kill it, or the bio's dog handlers :dunno:
Post by: Hornseeker on December 14, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
LRP, I think there are a few legitimate questions that need answers. One... is the Dept. supposed to be out collaring during an open season?
Two... was mule hunter pressured to not turn loose on this track, even though he was the one WITH dogs, on the track as opposed to a couple guys on sleds, on the track?
Three... did a game warden indeed discourage the biologist from hunting the area?
Just curious. Sounds a little fishy to me. With Mule Hunters communication challenges (no offense at ALL meant Mule) I can see how some things may have been misinterpreted, but there seems to be overwhelming evidence on HIS side of the story...
Post by: mulehunter on December 14, 2010, 01:41:28 PM
Mulehunter, that's a great story. But, someone asked for the other side of the story. Here it is. First, there were not 5 biologist, only one, the others as you know were houndsmen like Mulehunter, volunteers, and not paid. So, only 1 paid employee. Second, Mulehunter did turn his dogs out on that cougar, and the biologist, and volunteer left. He could have pursued that cat but didn't. I know, we all get worked up when we hear these things, but lets remain calm do the right things, not hurt our selves. Mulehunter had a great experience in Gods country and knows that. Only about 5% of the hunters in this state will ever experience that. Treasure those times. And remember, that biologist is working for you, so yes you need to comment on what the State does. But, hostility will not get you anywhere. His research does determine those quota's. This is the first time I have been to this site, saw the post, knew I had to comment, registered, made my comment, and that's the truth. Shoot straight my friends, and yes there is two sides to a story. My God be with you and take care of you in the field.
LRP
Yes I didn't know one guy didnt work for wdfw but he drove govt rig, wear badge and wdfw coat and radio. Yes he told me to go other canyon and so he can collared cat. I got my stomach on fire and pull hounds out on loose. He chase to us yell all insulting and cussing. And called on radio for back up and we afraid if we did wrong so I went up catch my hounds and left. Because I don't know what would happen to me if I did wrong or right. So I left. Later gamedept talked to us about it. And I have right to turn loose. T was too late. But next day u see five danm rigs. Might do somehing bad to me and I afraid to get more trouble.
One thing I am pissed that he told me to go somewhere else. I don't want ur people to say such thug to anybody as permtte.
One thing I don't appercate ur people cussing on our face and wouldn't welcome me hunting
I don't want biologlist dart cats and it wont be good to eat.
Why there is five rigs marched muscle next morning.
Mulehunter.
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 01:46:12 PM
OK Fred, some of us biologists are working for you...please dont generalize too broadly... :dunno:
I'm not lumping them all in one basket, just the dozen or so I've have had dealings with here in WA. So far I've only met about 12-15 and none of them are working for ME or sportsmen in this state. :twocents: ;)
P.S. I don't want to hi-jack this thread away from mulehunter's cat escapades so I'd be more than happy to chat about this on another thread, but I'll leave this one to chasing cats by mulehunter. Sorry Scott.
Post by: high country on December 14, 2010, 01:47:20 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 14, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
And PLEASE the bios are working for us, give me a break. You mean like the bios who planted lynx fur and have lied to us over and over through the years, is that what your referring to when you say they are working for us?Statements like that make me glad I'm not a state wildlife bio anymore. It gets old getting kicked in the teeth and called a liar by the people one works for, and can't deliver everything they want within a liberal democratic government. Being a fisheries or game biologist can be great work, but working within Washington state government is a formula for frustration.
There are a lot of VERY good biologists working for WDFW, who are VERY avid sportsmen, and who VIGOROUSLY advocate for the interests of sportsmen and women. There are also some bios who aren't sportsmen, but do their jobs well. And yes, there are also some unethical types pursuing their own agendas. The biologist in charge of the cougar studies is one of the best advocates the houndsmen have within WDFW, and is an avid sportsman.
I wasn't there, so I shouldn't comment on the incident that occurred. I am open-minded to the reality that there are at least three to four versions of what happened, I'm not sure if there were 3 or 4 people total.
As for the criticism of collaring/marking during an open season in general - careful what you wish for. The way to get around that is to close hunting or fishing in an area where marking is occuring. As an example, if fisherment wanted to protest having to release ad-clipped steelhead in the upper Columbia that have holes punched in their tails - the marking would not stop, the season would be closed or retention prohibited.
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 02:19:37 PM
And PLEASE the bios are working for us, give me a break. You mean like the bios who planted lynx fur and have lied to us over and over through the years, is that what your referring to when you say they are working for us?Statements like that make me glad I'm not a state wildlife bio anymore. It gets old getting kicked in the teeth and called a liar by the people one works for, and can't deliver everything they want within a liberal democratic government. Being a fisheries or game biologist can be great work, but working within Washington state government is a formula for frustration.
Look gentleman, I was a cop for 20 years, whenever some bashed a cop I did not take it as a personal attack. I did not say every bio in the state is bad. However after having gone to lots of the three year meetings and seeing things like what happened to Scott and seeing how they are managing lions in this state, how they did NOT support trappers, how they made yote hunting illegal based on some BS personal agenda and not scientific reasons then yes I have to say PLEASE when someone says the bios of this fricken state are working FOR the sportsmen. Come on!
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 02:26:34 PM
As for the criticism of collaring/marking during an open season in general - careful what you wish for. The way to get around that is to close hunting or fishing in an area where marking is occuring. As an example, if fisherment wanted to protest having to release ad-clipped steelhead in the upper Columbia that have holes punched in their tails - the marking would not stop, the season would be closed or retention prohibited.
Yes as sportsmen of this state we should all just be thankful the WDFW allows us to even venture into the woods and onto the waterways. We should just shut the hell up and be thankful and no matter what they do we should thank them and go quietly away and allow them to do their most important work so as not to anger them lest we be on the receiving end of their fury.
Post by: gaddy on December 14, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 02:35:17 PM
Yes as sportsmen of this state we should all just be thankful the WDFW allows us to even venture into the woods and onto the waterways. We should just shut the hell up and be thankful and no matter what they do we should thank them and go quietly away and allow them to do their most important work so as not to anger them lest we be on the receiving end of their fury.:chuckle:
Post by: Machias on December 14, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 14, 2010, 02:48:12 PM
I'm sorry fellas, got my panties in a twist, I apologize to those offended. I am using too broad of a brush when painting a picture and that is wrong, sorry.No worries. Mine were twisted a bit too. Usually my skin is plenty thick, just feeling a little delicate today! :chuckle:
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 14, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
Post by: gaddy on December 14, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: LRP on December 14, 2010, 02:59:47 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 14, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
I'm sorry fellas, got my panties in a twist, I apologize to those offended. I am using too broad of a brush when painting a picture and that is wrong, sorry.your just a little mule headed at times,LOL I havent posted but if I was mulehunter I would be screaming pissed also...
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
Wow, knew I was opening a can of worms. I am not saying anyone stretched the truth. I just added some facts. I made a list of the questions but not sure there is enough space in one post. I am not a biologist, nor a volunteer. Just love to hunt and boot hunt the area for cougar, bobcat, and coyotes when its open. Had hounds in the 50's with my dad in PA, for fox and coons. No dogs now, just go where my feet will take me. Yes they can collar cougar during the open season. That area is the project area for this study. Houndsmen know this is the best time to hunt for cats, locate the track, then turn out the dogs. No the gamewarden did not tell the bio he could not run the cat. No, volunteers do not drive WDFW vehicles, those were magnetic decals they can stick on, as the season is not always open for hounds, saves getting complaints. Was Mulehunter pressured not to run the cat, was not there at that time, but it sounds like it. He should have continued on that cat when he turned his dogs out. He was legal. No harm would have come to him. To contiue next post.
so they can run them, and the game warden didnt say that they couldnt. but does he have any right over someone who drew a tag? if the meat can be harmful after they are tagged for a time being, it doesnt make sense that would tag any cats until the quota is met. i would like to know if this cat already had a collar on it, and how you were involved in this incident
Post by: quadrafire on December 14, 2010, 03:15:51 PM
Was Mulehunter pressured not to run the cat, was not there at that time, but it sounds like it. He should have continued on that cat when he turned his dogs out.If you weren't there, where is this other side coming from? 2nd hand from those that were?
Post by: Hornseeker on December 14, 2010, 03:19:11 PM
I too am curious where your side is coming from LRP.... and yes, Mule should have stayed on the cat, but I can understand perfectly well how he got intimidated.... I would too...
Post by: Little Dave on December 14, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
Post by: Special T on December 14, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
I think because we are so quick to pounce that others don't speak up because they feel no need to subject themselves to the inquisition... I mean it was only 2 hrs in between his first post and second and got called out... :bash: In some ways i can see how the WDFW might think that its not in their self intrest to speak out and answer questions... They are gona get their ass reamed by the bunny huggers and the hunters... (Mind you I'm no WDFW cheerleader.) :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on December 14, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
Funny thing is I now know who one of the volunteers was and he is a family friend. By the way, I could see how he would be intimidating.LOL I think the communication generated by this thread has been good.
Post by: billythekidrock on December 14, 2010, 07:46:43 PM
No, volunteers do not drive WDFW vehicles, those were magnetic decals they can stick on, as the season is not always open for hounds, saves getting complaints.
I was not there so I can not comment on those particular volunteers, but I know for a fact that F&W provides vehicles for volunteers. Some volunteers even get to keep them at their home.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 08:46:18 PM
I want to bring something up... I think many here OTB (on the board) are way to quick to rip guys with opposing views... I have seen this come up with other discussions as well... How are we supposed to get answers if we jump the first guy that wants to give us the other side of the story? I think it is fairly easy to hang a liar with the facts as long as you let them speak... I'm curious what LRP has to say... doesn't mean I'm gona agree with him, hell i might not even believe him... But i do get tired of arguing with everyone that has the same view and opinion as I do... I can think of some pretty good disagreements that i have had with members her and learned a lot... Even IF they were full of BS...
I think because we are so quick to pounce that others don't speak up because they feel no need to subject themselves to the inquisition... I mean it was only 2 hrs in between his first post and second and got called out... :bash: In some ways i can see how the WDFW might think that its not in their self intrest to speak out and answer questions... They are gona get their ass reamed by the bunny huggers and the hunters... (Mind you I'm no WDFW cheerleader.) :twocents:
no one is slamming him, besides Fred lol, i just want some answers
Post by: Cougeyes on December 14, 2010, 08:49:55 PM
Good point
Funny thing is I now know who one of the volunteers was and he is a family friend. By the way, I could see how he would be intimidating.LOL I think the communication generated by this thread has been good.
Haha looks like you could have helped alleviate some of the tension between mulehunter and the state/volunteers since you know one of them, reason number 4 why you should have been there.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 14, 2010, 08:52:18 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 14, 2010, 08:55:56 PM
In some ways i can see how the WDFW might think that its not in their self intrest to speak out and answer questions... They are gona get their ass reamed by the bunny huggers and the hunters... (Mind you I'm no WDFW cheerleader.) :twocents:
I agree, but I also think that it is important that F&W know how their stakeholders feel. We are their customers and they are (in many cases) offering up crappy customer service.
Now that it looks like they will be aligned with Parks you can bet there will be more bunny huggers making decisions for us.
Post by: boneaddict on December 14, 2010, 09:34:41 PM
It might have turned out a lot better Cougeyes if I had been there just for communication purposes. I know the one gentleman quite well and I am sure things would have been a lot more respectful both ways. It will all work out in the end as Scott will get a bigger Kitty and will have more hunts under his belt. This is what he lives for.
Post by: Cougeyes on December 15, 2010, 05:59:40 AM
cougeyes dont you help with some of this? i thought you were involved some way with the game dept in lions, or atleast know alot about it?
I used to help out on the project that was done in the cle elum area, not this one. I dont know exactly what is going on this year as far as the cougar study, permit season, and pursuit season. I do know WDFW has some houndsman they work with for this project, they are often out running tracks and notify the bio if they cut them. WDFW does provide them with magnetic decals for their trucks so not all those rigs as already mentioned were state rigs they were the houndsman or volunteer rigs with decals. There is probably more info on this study entrenched within the WDFW website, may have to dig for it. I know the WDFW bio that is involved in this study and couldn't imagine he would argue with mulehunter as to whether he could turn lose on those tracks since it seemed perfectly justifiable which makes me think it was one of the volunteers, but i may be wrong.
Post by: LRP on December 15, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 15, 2010, 07:47:45 AM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 15, 2010, 08:16:51 AM
Good morning, reviewed last posts. First, I do not have an opposing view. I just added some info that was missing. So, if that puts me on the other side, be it so. Some do not want to hear the whole story. Sometimes I'm in the right place at the right time and I do ask questions (old guys do that). My information came from Mulehunters friends that he was hunting with, the bio and volunteer and my own observations. I don't have to be standing next to you to hear what you say or see what you are doing. Mulehunter verified what I said about him releasing his hounds on the track after I added that info. I don't have answers to all your questions, but I know as much as Mulehunter and just added what was missing. Its easy to jump on the band wagon, but to add info that slows down the wagon gets under some folks skin. I'm not trying to do either. But to see folks with an agenda without all the information and not speak up, to me is wrong. As I said, I just added information you did not have. People look but don't see. You have a photo of vehicles with WDFW decals, you instantly believe its a state vehicle. Did it have state plates? No. Not trying to offend anyone here, just make sure you don't put that wagon in a rut or on the wrong road. LRP
Sorry but I couldn't help but read that post except with one persons voice in mind. Read it again and put Obamas voice to it.
Post by: mulehunter on December 15, 2010, 08:19:26 AM
I should have wrote every rig lic plates. Some aren't govt. But it look all govt to me.
I am just mad because i lost perfect oppertunity to fill my tag, one that i have waited so long for and worked so hard for.
I will do better next time. I am not mad anymore. Next time i just turn loose and let the dogs do their thing...
Mulehunter
Post by: grundy53 on December 15, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
Good morning, reviewed last posts. First, I do not have an opposing view. I just added some info that was missing. So, if that puts me on the other side, be it so. Some do not want to hear the whole story. Sometimes I'm in the right place at the right time and I do ask questions (old guys do that). My information came from Mulehunters friends that he was hunting with, the bio and volunteer and my own observations. I don't have to be standing next to you to hear what you say or see what you are doing. Mulehunter verified what I said about him releasing his hounds on the track after I added that info. I don't have answers to all your questions, but I know as much as Mulehunter and just added what was missing. Its easy to jump on the band wagon, but to add info that slows down the wagon gets under some folks skin. I'm not trying to do either. But to see folks with an agenda without all the information and not speak up, to me is wrong. As I said, I just added information you did not have. People look but don't see. You have a photo of vehicles with WDFW decals, you instantly believe its a state vehicle. Did it have state plates? No. Not trying to offend anyone here, just make sure you don't put that wagon in a rut or on the wrong road. LRP
I still don't see how this changes anything? It was still b.s what happened to him. That group is just lucky it was someone with a level head and an even temper. I know a lot of guys that it would have been different. It could have got really ugly.
Post by: Curly on December 15, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
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It will all work out in the end as Scott will get a bigger Kitty and will have more hunts under his belt. This is what he lives for.
I can't wait to see more pics. Go get a big one, Mulehunter.
We are all living vicariously through you. :brew:
Post by: Machias on December 15, 2010, 08:59:11 AM
LRP, welcome back, I hope you stick around. Sorry for the crappy welcome that I gave you.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
So if we hunters are penalized for following the law, but not the CODE OF CONDUCT, What should happen to the WDFW bios and their "Volunteers"? If they forget that the future of hunting depends on hunters what should we do? Beside the foot in the ass? Shouldn't the WDFW do something to its bio's and "Volunteers" that fail to ad hear to similar conduct?
Even if it is "legal" for them to be out collaring when season is open it is stupid to do so... From the WDFW own actions, Which speak much louder than their print or words, they hold us hunters in low regard... I know many of you thought that the WDFW merger with the DNR would be bad, but i think the only way to shake things up is to wipe as much deadwood from this agency as possible...
The WDFW ran to us for help to save their HIDE from the merger, and since they have done little to show us they are worthy of out trust...
Post by: Hornseeker on December 15, 2010, 11:14:41 AM
The bio/volys were in the wrong, period, and Mule Hunter deserves an apology from them, period... and possibly more than an apology... :rolleyes:
Post by: Hyde on December 15, 2010, 02:29:36 PM
Next time i just turn loose and let the dogs do their thing...
Mulehunter
:tup: That's what I'm talking about!
Post by: LRP on December 16, 2010, 06:49:26 AM
RCW 77.15.360
Unlawful interfering in department operations — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful interfering in department operations if the person prevents department employees from carrying out duties authorized by this title, including but not limited to interfering:
(a) In the operation of department vehicles, vessels, or aircraft; or
(b) With the collection of samples of tissue, fluids, or other bodily parts of fish, wildlife, and shellfish under RCW 77.12.071.
(2) Unlawful interfering in department operations is a gross misdemeanor
Post by: LITTLEBUCK on December 16, 2010, 07:25:02 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 16, 2010, 07:27:42 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 16, 2010, 07:28:08 AM
I think Mule did the right(smart) thing by pulling out. I think the reasonable thing to do would be for them to wait until the quota is met and then pursue their project. There will be plenty of time for them. There are folks out their with well earned, well sought after tags. There is no reason they can't do it during pursiut season.
I believe this would alleviate some of the hard feelings, and negative feedback that can occur because of this sort of confrontation.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 16, 2010, 07:43:04 AM
i hope you shoot one with a nice bright shiny new collar, they prob named him too :chuckle:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 16, 2010, 07:59:20 AM
i hope you shoot one with a nice bright shiny new collar, they prob named him too :chuckle:
I know they did. ;)
Post by: LRP on December 16, 2010, 08:15:21 AM
LRP
Post by: Machias on December 16, 2010, 08:20:44 AM
Post by: high country on December 16, 2010, 08:25:52 AM
this guy gets a few weeks out of this season, you guys get the rest of the year...do you need a phd to figure this out?
Post by: Machias on December 16, 2010, 08:33:17 AM
I find it funny that the bios need to be antagonizing the cats during the permit season. I pulled the spring bear tag and called the 2 bios for the area....one of which was the lead. they could offer me no advice because they had not studied the bears in that season. they asked me for my findings. I wonder why the dept does not do the same with the cats. guys like mule hunter know and see more cats then me you and most of the bios put togeter. let the guy run his dogs, ask him for his findings and work with him, make it a happy relationship.....not a contestof muscle flexing.
this guy gets a few weeks out of this season, you guys get the rest of the year...do you need a phd to figure this out?
You used to get a hound hunter booklet which asked for number of tracks seen, number run, number treed, sex, etc... but that was with the PSCR permits, I don't think they are doing it with the study, but I could be wrong on that.
Post by: mulehunter on December 16, 2010, 10:26:16 PM
Oh, as far as being Obama or an Obama supporter, totally wrong. I served my country faithfully and honorably during the 60's in Viet Nam. 1968 with 'F' Co. 51st INF ABN LRP, 1969 'O' Co. 75th Rangers in Viet Nam. I would never do anything to harm this country, and I will do anthing to protect and serve it. My posts are only for information, do with the information as you wish. But, if I can keep one person from being cited for a F&W violation, I've served a purpose. And as far as that law not being up held in court, just be careful, please, don't antagonize those doing their jobs.
LRP
Yes sir. Thank u for serve our country. Its important to us. Of course I ain't give up my hounds rights. I hope I could bring some next story to share with u all. :drool:
Cheers....
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: boneaddict on December 16, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
Post by: LRP on December 17, 2010, 06:31:14 AM
LRP
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2010, 03:10:07 PM
:drool:
Post by: mulehunter on December 18, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 18, 2010, 02:47:10 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 18, 2010, 06:24:19 PM
Mulehunter. :bash:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 18, 2010, 10:54:58 PM
Post by: high country on December 19, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
Post by: WARHORSE on December 19, 2010, 09:53:21 AM
Post by: tlbradford on December 19, 2010, 11:28:17 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 19, 2010, 12:33:09 PM
scott i have one in omak take it off my sled i will not be using it. use it till you get your new one. wed is along time and there should be fresh snow everyday between now and then. pm me.
The coolest thing I ever read. I end up packed and head home. I wish I knew it that I could come up but I must be home for work. :bash: This country need snowmobile cuz it s almost three feet snow up top.. I treed a nice very young one half tom way way way high country. The reason i decide to pass. I was about 15 feet between me and cat he only weight 120 maybe 130 but for sure 120. I know what 170 look like when i caught him in unit 1 idaho. ;) i will post pics tonight about yesterday hunting.i I am stuck at xmas party.
Cheers!!!!!!
Idabonner thank u soo much for all ur help and look forward to hear more and it helps me alot everytime.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: denali on December 19, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 19, 2010, 02:08:41 PM
scott, lemme know what parts you need, I may have it sitting here. I have a good bit of cat spare stuff.
Thank u very much. Wish it would got it fixed and I would have spend in wood all day with fresh snow. I know one big tom hanging out. Cuz I passed a very old cut. Just need more time searching. I hope quota stay same before feb that way I hope to kill one before wdfw to draw more permits to other houndmen to reduce faster.
I am working on it.
Mulehunter.
Post by: high country on December 19, 2010, 06:57:11 PM
scott, lemme know what parts you need, I may have it sitting here. I have a good bit of cat spare stuff.
Thank u very much. Wish it would got it fixed and I would have spend in wood all day with fresh snow. I know one big tom hanging out. Cuz I passed a very old cut. Just need more time searching. I hope quota stay same before feb that way I hope to kill one before wdfw to draw more permits to other houndmen to reduce faster.
I am working on it.
Mulehunter.
no problem....best of luck!
Post by: mulehunter on December 19, 2010, 07:40:15 PM
WORST TREE I have ever that I ever Treed. :bash: :bash: I had hard time trying to go circle the tree to get better pictures and I almost decide to make a KILL but I climb little and look at him with in 15 ft between to make sure I feel good about it. But I know what Bigger look like. My wife and I talking about how we feel about kill it or pass it. She said He is soo BEAUITFUL and I look again and spend 30 min figure out how he look. I said to myself He have a NICE Head for sure. Body look a lot less than 125 to me and He is one year and half Male. I look again and again make sure I know what I want. I remember my father in law is bigger than him and he only weight 131lbs Not exactly what I want. So I spend time with my dogs and wife and cheers ourself.
So its only 9 clcok so I have lots time to search for other one. So We released him for other houndmen or whatever in future will be HAPPY to have him. ;)
So we abort and Pull my hounds out and load and head out cross Interection on TOP of mountain Cut a BIG TOM appox 150ish. :bash: It has all SNOW inside Must be two days OLD! So Went over little longer and end up BROKE my Snowmobile. Rear Bogie Wheeler has four to hold the Track Belt. It bend Rod make bad balance so It end up really bad. So I have no Signal for Cell. So I said to myself NO WAY I will not WALK down hill with in two feet snow for 15 miles :o. So I been very Careful driving down hill. Which is GOOD thing its down hill not up hill.
So We arrival to truck safe and my wife been calling all over place Omak, Okanagon, Wentachee. No luck So We decide to drive down and drive low land thur valley. End up got stop by Gamewarden, He really a VERY COOL Guy. I Explain to him about how it end up bad morning and stuck with no Snowmobile. He try to think of way to help and tell me where to check trax by use my truck. So I appercate his very helpful and very thoughful. So I went thur backcountry all over place and no luck. So Wife and I agreed to pack and head home. Dang I heard it dump NEW Blanket of Snow next morning. :bash:
Here some pics of Cat I caught with my wife on Saturday morning.
Enjoy...
CHEERS!!!
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 19, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: high country on December 19, 2010, 07:58:08 PM
Post by: Idabooner on December 20, 2010, 09:33:11 AM
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences and pictures with us.
Post by: Hornseeker on December 20, 2010, 09:37:24 AM
A lot of nice cats weight 120-140#!!!!
Post by: mulehunter on December 21, 2010, 07:11:04 AM
Purty cat man! Hey, be careful about holding out for a 170....they are FEW and far between..... ;)
A lot of nice cats weight 120-140#!!!!
Ur right very few of big ones. Its not that easy. I know there two or so weight 140 to 150. I might will kill it before Feb 15 before wdfw decide to give out more permit.
Still waittig for parts.
Mulehunter. :bash:
Post by: Machias on December 21, 2010, 08:01:23 AM
Post by: luvtohnt on December 21, 2010, 09:24:13 AM
But as a aspiring biologist maybe for the state or not we will see. In a situation like this I think I would have asked Scott to run the cat and allow us to follow. Female could have been collared, and released. If it was male and Scott harvested I could have taken my samples and said thanks for the help. Seems like a simple solution, but then again maybe I am just wet behind the ears. Now as far as the bio's running the cats in winter, the hound hunters do it this time of year because it is efficient, so why would you not want the department running them in an efficient manner to save money? I understand there may be a conflict like this but as a bio's you have more time to track so if you haven't turned out let the permit holder turn out, makes sense to me. As far as collaring cats that could be killed in a week, any data that is usable is good so if you got your collar back in a week or two then it still helps. :twocents:
Good luck Scott and I hope you bag a big one!
Brandon
Post by: tlbradford on December 21, 2010, 09:56:54 AM
Because of my new son I have been absent for a few days so I know I am probably :beatdeadhorse:
But as a aspiring biologist maybe for the state or not we will see. In a situation like this I think I would have asked Scott to run the cat and allow us to follow. Female could have been collared, and released. If it was male and Scott harvested I could have taken my samples and said thanks for the help. Seems like a simple solution, but then again maybe I am just wet behind the ears. Now as far as the bio's running the cats in winter, the hound hunters do it this time of year because it is efficient, so why would you not want the department running them in an efficient manner to save money? I understand there may be a conflict like this but as a bio's you have more time to track so if you haven't turned out let the permit holder turn out, makes sense to me. As far as collaring cats that could be killed in a week, any data that is usable is good so if you got your collar back in a week or two then it still helps. :twocents:
Good luck Scott and I hope you bag a big one!
Brandon
Using that common sense and logic will only help you in your field and with relationships to hunters. Keep that mind set. I agree it is the best time of year to run cats, but I would like for them to wait until the quota was met. It has been filled in many areas already.
Post by: mulehunter on December 21, 2010, 07:55:53 PM
Awesome photo and great write up Scott. Nice looking cat, I might have pulled the trigger on that one the way WA has the permit system set up, good on you for holding out for what you want! Did you get a chance to run that male pup? If so, how did he do? Is he ready to be a lead dog yet? :chuckle:
Yes I took Pup on two leader run on Female and Pup went all way to tree with them Once. He is learning. And I will spend more time next time.
I found out today its 2 female left met quote. :o I better decide to PULL Trigger next time. Might not be a Trophy. But I will try. Maybe 140 Who knows. I will see..
Mulehunter
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 21, 2010, 08:12:54 PM
Post by: winston2789 on December 21, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 22, 2010, 03:36:39 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 22, 2010, 03:48:05 PM
Mulehunter.
Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
Awesome photo and great write up Scott. Nice looking cat, I might have pulled the trigger on that one the way WA has the permit system set up, good on you for holding out for what you want! Did you get a chance to run that male pup? If so, how did he do? Is he ready to be a lead dog yet? :chuckle:
Yes I took Pup on two leader run on Female and Pup went all way to tree with them Once. He is learning. And I will spend more time next time.
I found out today its 2 female left met quote. :o I better decide to PULL Trigger next time. Might not be a Trophy. But I will try. Maybe 140 Who knows. I will see..
Mulehunter
Dude...you've still accomplished a lot this hunt. If a 140# lion makes you happy then fire away. Congrats on an awesome hunt regardless of how it works out.
Post by: Big10gauge on December 22, 2010, 04:10:56 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 22, 2010, 04:18:21 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 22, 2010, 05:10:07 PM
Awesome photo and great write up Scott. Nice looking cat, I might have pulled the trigger on that one the way WA has the permit system set up, good on you for holding out for what you want! Did you get a chance to run that male pup? If so, how did he do? Is he ready to be a lead dog yet? :chuckle:
Yes I took Pup on two leader run on Female and Pup went all way to tree with them Once. He is learning. And I will spend more time next time.
I found out today its 2 female left met quote. :o I better decide to PULL Trigger next time. Might not be a Trophy. But I will try. Maybe 140 Who knows. I will see..
Mulehunter
Dude...you've still accomplished a lot this hunt. If a 140# lion makes you happy then fire away. Congrats on an awesome hunt regardless of how it works out.
Scott, Just wanted to say your persistence and dedication is phenomenal. Been reading this thread everday hoping you tree the big one. Also want to say if you do bag a 120# it would still be a experience that will last a lifetime and a fine trophy.
Thanks Over Years I became Houndman, I have not put a Bullet in Cougar. I have passed WHOLE Cats I treed since five years on Pscr, 5 other permittee to go with as doggerhandler. and two years Idaho Permit. Its my passion. And old man have taught me everything how to be GOOD Houndman and not about shoot every Cats down. We wont find any Trophy like Bucklucky ( Charlie ) He shot a one of BEAUTIFUL Cat. I remember I took Grant's son Cougar Permit for Ferry County and I went up first weekend and we had trouble getting in someone rancher and abort hunt. Next weekend. I went up scouting and Cut a BIGGEST Trax I have ever seen. I was thinking about go back and pack hounds and the permittee the 12 years old. Geez. What am I thinking...
12 years old kid doesnt Deserve this Cat. It look like 160 to 170 Cat to me at the time. I dont know if He can afford mount a BIG Cat. I dont want him BRAGGING whole his life about how he work so hard for this Cat. But I talked to two other houndmen I know and told him, You wont believe what I cut. OH MAN! I wish I have permit! I would have go NUT!!!! But I didnt want 12 years old kid to know I cut one so I Lied to him that I didnt find anything. So They end up ran out of money and not interested going up since they dont own Hounds.
Later After I got home and Charlie (Bucklucky) asked me how it go over there since He knows that I am helping Grant's son and I know Charlie have the permit. I Email him and told him there is BIG one somewhere over Sherman Pass area then two weeks later. He went up and fill his BEST Cat in Washington.
I am glad I skip this cut for someone else who are houndman waitting long time for this one. I wish it was me. :bash: :chuckle: But I am happy that I skip it and let the other houndman permittee deserve this trophy.
Thats what I am looking for everyday just like this Cut. :drool:
Congt to you Charlie!
My TURN!!! :( But I know there wont be a BIG cats like Charlie in Okanagon County. Because Whole Houndmen shoot all Females make it big loss for all Kitten. Sometime People doesnt know if kitten around and end up shoot and pick up the cat and hold as weight 50 to 80 lbs.
The reason I love hounds is because I can look at all Cats I treed and give me more time to look at Cats and give me idea how He look or how big or small. If Mother Cougar, I always walk thur backward where she come from. If She made a two or three jumps to avoid kitten and to keep hounds chase on Mother to protect kitten.
Sometime People think this first tree and look around tree no kitten and shoot her down. She possible have two or three kitten up 200 to 600 yards away from where Mother climb different Tree to keep hounds away from kitten.
Its tough sport and it hard for Cougars to grow from 150 to 180 lbs for those five county. Very Rarely. Sometime Big Tom kill Mother and kitten. Thats why I like some houndmen who look for BIG tom. They are somewhere just very FEW.
Charlie, You see this BIG TRAX I skipped for someone else. Congt to you! You Lucky Bastrd! :chuckle:
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: mulehunter on December 22, 2010, 05:23:01 PM
I've got a good feeling with all this snow were getting, it's going to be mulehunters time to shine.....if that sled is up and running! Anyhow, Best of luck getting that big ole tom. Some of the best cats I've ever seen didn't weigh squat, but had melons that were incredible. After all, the head is the main attraction on the wall, right??
Yes Correct! First Cat I helped my father in law. He always wanted to kill one. Finally I Cut this cat and said Oh Nice Cut. Not bad as well. Lets turn loose its Beauitfuly Blue SKY New Snow blanket. WHY NOT! So after I arrival to tree I look at him myself. Permittee hasnt arrival for other 30 min later. I told myself. Nah I wouldnt want to shoot for my permit. So Soon Mark arrival and very excited and said OH Man. He has never seen a such big Cat but to me NOT big but NICE HEAD! for sure! So after He shot down and I knew myself I was right and its not what I want but Somewhere....out there for sure.
I know I could possible pull trigger on 140 but I think I possible save it for next permittee who will THANK me for Beauitful Trophy after one more year. He will end up weight 160 lbs. If he live in safe area.
Bio hasnt collared five Cats I Treed! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: So FOR SURE one or two BIG Cats out there.
I will work on tree something and figure out what I am thinking. :)
Mulehunter
Post by: LittleJohn on December 22, 2010, 05:28:05 PM
Post by: quadrafire on December 22, 2010, 05:47:26 PM
Bird hunters have their thrill watching the dogs work. You get the thrill as well. Good for you!~ Cat or Not a great experience.. I feel like I am tagging along-----Thanks for the trip
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 23, 2010, 01:48:45 PM
Post by: bearpaw on December 23, 2010, 07:36:22 PM
Dale
Post by: mulehunter on December 24, 2010, 12:30:54 AM
Hey Mulehunter, I have not been on here much lately and didn't have time to read all your pages here but it looks like you are having a good time. I wanted to let you know that we have been getting snow over at Colville, so I imagine it's snowing in the OKanagan. Hope you have luck over Xmas, Brian called the hotline and it sounds like only a few cats are left on your quota. Good luck, hope you tree that big one that you want.
Dale
My wife order part last sunday, she pick up parts this morning. Now what. What am I thinking. :yike:
Merry xmas to u all.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: high country on December 24, 2010, 06:15:42 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 24, 2010, 01:02:47 PM
Mulehunter. :yike:
Post by: Machias on December 24, 2010, 01:23:42 PM
Post by: Idabooner on December 24, 2010, 03:19:45 PM
Tell us a story after you get rested.
Post by: Wea300mag on December 24, 2010, 04:54:49 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 25, 2010, 04:32:08 AM
Okanagon closed.
Mulehunter. :'(
Post by: Idabooner on December 25, 2010, 08:48:02 AM
:bash: somebody shot two females yesterday. Quote already met.
Okanagon closed.
Mulehunter. :'(
DAMN >:( >:( >:(
Post by: grundy53 on December 25, 2010, 08:50:03 AM
Post by: Machias on December 25, 2010, 09:00:56 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 25, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 25, 2010, 12:23:41 PM
:bash: somebody shot two females yesterday. Quote already met.
Okanagon closed.
Mulehunter. :'(
Real sorry that happened to you, better luck the next time you get it.
Joe
Post by: Machias on December 25, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 25, 2010, 03:13:38 PM
Hey Scott, don't you still have a Idaho Lion Tag for one more week?
:chuckle: that's what I am thinking... I will see how things go.
I am not upset about quota. Just bad timing and wrong place. Big tom usually travel stright cross many canyons and sometime he come back every three to month. I try to put hundreds miles on snowmoile to cover whole mountain best I can on weekend. i have skipped many many small traxs. Its not easy when i am working full time. Others permitee just found perfect place perfect cut timing during weekly. Its part of sport. I am very thankful for everything I have.
Cheers.....
Mulehunter
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 25, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 25, 2010, 09:35:14 PM
Went up one Canyon Cut snow inside Trax appox 130 to 140. I believe Cut happen around Wed Morning. :( No Roads around. Lots HIGH Cliff Over side. And other side are Pravite lands. So Load on Trailer and head to other side of Valley and Cut Small Trax I believe its Female. Skip. unload Snowmobile and drive thur Canyon appox 3 miles Cut one on Deer traffic. Look like under 120ish either Female or Male. Smaller than my hand. Skip. Head far out appox other 3 miles ALL SUDDEN LIVE COUGAR CROSSED FRONT OF ME. Appox 70 Feet Crossed while I were on Snowmobile and I got Excited. I went little forward and look inside Trax look like 110 to 120lb Trax. So I let Cougar run more longer so Dogs can chase longer. Its my favorite thing to make dogs GOOD at LONG Race. I dont like very Short Race. So I went other 2 miles. WAY TOO MANY tracks circle all over place. Good thing Live Cougar Crossed that way I can turn loose. :chuckle:
So I turn around Head back to truck wait till light come up and load up and pull Trailer with hounds Head to where Live Cougar cross area. Soon I open Trailer door all three dogs ZOOM GONE!!! ALL ON FIRE! ;)
They went thur Creek for almost 700 yds! :yike: Cougar sure RUN FAST and LONGER and thur Creek water and logs cross! Glad I did wait longer to make those dogs really good at chase thur Creek.
Pup 7 month went with them and did good job. About 20 Min to 30 min Treed. I went out search for them and found them Glad its only 5 feet from Tree to Snowmobile! :rolleyes:
Spend on this Cat trying to figure out what Female or Male. its Tom appox 110. VERY Young Tom.
Pull off dogs and released him.
Found Deer Kill Site where Cougar left and crossed front of me.
Head back to 2nd Cut.
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 25, 2010, 09:49:27 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 25, 2010, 10:07:09 PM
They seem not picking up. I went down there 1000 yds and found them stuck at little Cliff where Cougar jump over 5 feet steep Hill that way hounds cant reach over top and I help them lift all three dogs over the cliff and they went on fire. I climb over and hike about 400 yards. Arrival to the Tree.
Well I have hard time decide to pull trigger. Trust me this is very Small Cat but WOW BIG Fat Beauitful Cat. But Still under 6 ft I have spend more time on this Cat and thinking about taking him down. But I know He will be VERY VERY BEAUITFUL Trophy for Next year permitee. So I decide to cheer my dogs and spend Pics of him. He is Hell NICE Young Cat. Two years old maybe 120ish
WOW Beauitful Young Tom. :'( Well... I am good and totally ok with this one.
Its hard for me to not pull trigger. If anybody with me. I might pull but I was all alone and felt that I am more thankful for everything I have caught all Cats on my own. And my dogs has done amazing job! And One of my pup 7 mo has chased three lions so far! I am happy for him.
Abort hunt and head home for Xmas Evening to be with my family. The best feeling after I head home to be with my family. I could have filled my Tag that day. I know you people will think I am Dumb or call me CRAZY for not kill this Young Tom. Its about my passion and try to give other hunter a Big Chance and give this Young Tom to grow one more year for Better Trophy for who ever find him Next year.
Its about what I am doing as Pure houndman looking for BIG Tom above 7 feet Long and Over 150 lbs. I went wrong place, WRONG time. Its hard when I am working Full time and only had my own time on weekend. Its not always easy for me to find Right place and Perfect timing like other permittee who shot Big tom.
Thanks for all your time and read my story.
Mulehunter :)
Post by: mulehunter on December 25, 2010, 10:20:33 PM
I was very surprised two female shot down QUICK Since it been same quote for a week then all sudden two down. Closed!
Mulehunter :bash:
Post by: Machias on December 25, 2010, 10:35:05 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 26, 2010, 06:24:55 AM
Gringo
Post by: Idabooner on December 26, 2010, 09:27:36 AM
Post by: rainshadow1 on December 26, 2010, 09:48:21 AM
:tup: Great season! :bow:
Post by: Idabooner on December 26, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
Thanks for taking us along on the hunts with your pictures and story. :brew:
Post by: RubblesPH on December 26, 2010, 10:25:15 AM
Post by: mulehunter on December 26, 2010, 11:05:42 AM
You're a heckuvuh good Hound Dog man, Mulehunter! Hope some of the game dept read this whole thread and realize what a conservationist, sportsman, and dog handler you are... it really speaks volumes.
:tup: Great season! :bow:
Thanks for your comments. Thanks Idabooner for all emails with update with Snow Weather condition make my hunting better everytime, Thanks to all Bone, Machias, kain, bob, Rubb, muly, and all many people with your supports. It mean a lot!
Mulehunter :)
Post by: ribka on December 26, 2010, 12:01:26 PM
I sent a letter to WDFW criticizing the Bios' behavior during your hunt. To put so much time, training, resources into this hunt to have it ruined. That in my opinion war pure harassment/intimidation. Hopefully next year this won't happen to the next group of hunters lucky enough to draw a cat tag. Thanks for bringing to our attention.
Again really enjoyed your post and photos
Post by: villageidiot on December 26, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on December 26, 2010, 04:25:41 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 26, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
Post by: Yeti on December 26, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: Special T on December 27, 2010, 10:25:53 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 27, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
It's unfortunate that hound hunting is being phased out in this state. First with the loss of hunting cougar, bobcat and bear with the initiative. Then aprox. a yr. ago WDFW decided to eliminate coyote hunting with hounds. This move was strictly a WDFW move and not an initiative which is clear they dislike hound hunting. The permit system that was in place in the 5 counties was friendly to hound hunters in that you had to own hounds which made it highly likely you could get drawn at least every other year. It was changed to allow anybody to apply even without hounds, another WDFW move. Now a hound owner may go 4 or 5 years without getting drawn. Since many places don't have racoons to chase and keep ones dogs trained a multitude of hound owners are disolving their life long passion of hound hunting. Unless you are willing to go to other states and pursue animals or have a favorable spot in your area that is not riddled with private property that has racoons to chase, your future in hound hunting is grim. Most of Mulehunters stories were about the pursuit which is "the thrill of the hunt" when it comes to hound hunting. By not allowing pursuit of anything but racoons WDFW is slowly cutting of the heads off the hound hunters. Hound hunting pursuit is one of the most exhilirating sports one can indulge in and does absolutely no harm or takes no animals but yet it offends some people. Unfortunately, the people it offends have never been with a pack of hounds to feel the excitement, live in the city and have votes, votes, votes. Hound hunting for cougars is the absolute most ethical way to take specific sexes, sizes and numbers of cougars from an area. If a pursuit season for hound hunters can be put in place then we will continue to have this useful group of dedicated hunters to help balance the prey numbers. If not then in the near future you will rarely see a hound owner in the state and likely if any cougar hunting is still allowed it will have to be done by out of state hunters that still are allowed to train their dogs in a neighboring state. WDFW is presently looking at disallowing the new GPS locating systems that have came out in the past couple years. If they take this course then Mulehunter will be stripped of his only way to locate his dogs since he is totally deaf and can't hear the old beep type locating systems. It's clear WDFW has been infiltrated by some adimate hon-hunters. Our governor appoints the game commission and since it's been democrat for so many years the commission has turned into a non-hunting commission and into a bird watching commission. Any commissioner ever appointed should have been required to have bought a hunting or fishing license for the last 10 yrs. or disqualify them. Hopefully we will all get to read more of these stories like Mulehunter has been keeping us up on but try and remember all these great hunts because it may be all we have in the future is the memories of past hunts.
What villeageidiot says is very true. To elaborate more, the most important thing to a hound hunter is the ability to hunt his dogs. Most true houndhunters leave more animals in the tree than they have killed.
This state needs an open hound pursuit season for cougar and even bear, it would serve many purposes.
1. Help hound hunters to keep trained dogs.
2. Experienced dogs would be available to the WDFW for depredation work.
3. Additional revenue from pursuit permits.
4. Condition cougar/bear to fear man and dogs. (more and more cougar are preying on dogs in sub-divisions)
5. Encourage cougar and bear to avoid human inhabited areas thus reducing complaints that WDFW must respond to.
I am sure there would be other benefits as well.
Sorry for jacking your thread mulehunter. Please keep the photos and stories coming through the rest of your pursuit season for all to see.
Post by: bearpaw on December 27, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
I have a question reguarding Hound hunting...Since anyone can draw a tag for the NE corner without owning dogs... does that mean any "Friend" of mine with hounds can take me out? or do i have to hire a licenced outfitter?
You can designate up to 4 hound handlers of your choice.
Post by: Hornseeker on December 27, 2010, 02:11:40 PM
Congrats!!!
Post by: Gringo31 on December 28, 2010, 12:24:25 PM
It's seems that in "usual" problem areas, they would open up to chase only to keep those critters kind of pushed back......or would they just quickly tree and back to the same ol' tomorrow? :dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 28, 2010, 03:18:26 PM
Post by: villageidiot on December 28, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
If one if from the southeastern states he was raised and cut his teeth on going out hunting with the hounds every weekend. This was and still is a family tradition and many hound owners here in Wash. are from that part of the country. It's real disheartening to see their life long passion and family heritage destroyed. Continuing hound hunting would work perfectly fine on the east side of this state but the west side makes the laws so hounding is on it's way out. Unfortunately
Post by: Special T on December 28, 2010, 07:38:12 PM
Post by: mulehunter on December 28, 2010, 08:08:54 PM
So is there a way that permit holders can make "friends" with hound hunters or do they just resort to guides to hunt with? I'm kinda curious about the stats about how all these non hound owners hunt the cougars.... I would imagine if i had hounds i would probably throw it out to every one i knew to put in for permits....
Non hound owners can put in for permit and have other people with hounds "guide" them. It is a little unfair to dog owners who legitametly apply because they are the ones putting in all the time with the dogs, training, care, expenses, etc.. Maybe that permit holder doesnt have:truck, snowmobile, money for gas, but they want to take advantage of a houndsman because this may be their only oppertunity to hunt that year.
When those people draw they are most likely to go once, kill the first one they tree. Then the houndsman is again out more oppertunities to train their dogs in persuit. That is the only time they can legally train their dogs on live game. Maybe the permit holder doesnt want to spend anymore time or money to persue game?
Mulehunter
Post by: mulehunter on December 28, 2010, 08:21:49 PM
Sorry for jacking your thread mulehunter. Please keep the photos and stories coming through the rest of your pursuit season for all to see.
Bearpaw, No worry. I love this Thread. Its good for everybody to understand how Houndmen feel about those Permit, Bio, Pursuit, Etc. Its good infomation right here and learn about how each person feel about it.
I need to come up spend time with ya for fun and go pursuit Cougar up your area since you have Permit. It better not end up crash my truck like last year on Cindy Permit. :chuckle:
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: Kain on December 28, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
Now get after those coons!!!! :chuckle:
Post by: mulehunter on December 28, 2010, 09:18:35 PM
Man I have enjoyed this thread sooooo much and I am sad to see your season end.
Now get after those coons!!!! :chuckle:
Thanks, Its okay and thankful for what I have done. I will still going for pursuit in my permit unit till March end. By the way, Last sunday Two Chicken got killed again by Coon at my frined family property so I went over Few hours old and chase all night long thur Big Creek area. Not successed :bash:
Gotta try again later.
Mulehunter ;)
Post by: granola/hippyslayer on January 01, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
Post by: LRP on January 04, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
LRP
Post by: MtnMuley on January 04, 2011, 12:05:37 PM
The law prohibiting the use of a treeing switch on collars is stupid. It does almost nothing to help the houndsman, they listen to the dogs. The GPS, so called treeing switch, does nothing but tell the hunter the dogs have stopped.:tup:
LRP
Very good post LRP, with solid info that many people/hunters aren't aware of. Thanks.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 04, 2011, 11:11:44 PM
So is there a way that permit holders can make "friends" with hound hunters or do they just resort to guides to hunt with? I'm kinda curious about the stats about how all these non hound owners hunt the cougars.... I would imagine if i had hounds i would probably throw it out to every one i knew to put in for permits....
Non hound owners can put in for permit and have other people with hounds "guide" them. It is a little unfair to dog owners who legitametly apply because they are the ones putting in all the time with the dogs, training, care, expenses, etc.. Maybe that permit holder doesnt have:truck, snowmobile, money for gas, but they want to take advantage of a houndsman because this may be their only oppertunity to hunt that year.
When those people draw they are most likely to go once, kill the first one they tree. Then the houndsman is again out more oppertunities to train their dogs in persuit. That is the only time they can legally train their dogs on live game. Maybe the permit holder doesnt want to spend anymore time or money to persue game?
Mulehunter
Scott, (may I call you Scott? I feel like through this thread I've gotten to know you as a person. Many of us have. Well, as much as possible from this highly enlightening bit of communication.)
But... !!! I take offense to what you've said. Please realize that not all hunters that apply for the hound hunt -that don't have hounds, are not willing to pay expenses, put in an incredible amount of time, work with the houndsman to persue the goals of both parties for a fruitful harvest of a deer killer and yet give plenty of opportunity for the houndsman to work his/her dogs. Would I shoot the first cat tree'd? I dunno! If it was a trophy, maybe. If a young one.. Hopefully not. I would rely on advice from the experienced houndsman.
Let me go back a year or so. I applied for a hound hunt tag for Okanogon and the NE unit. The tag you had this season. I did so on BearPaw's offer of a guided cat hunt for any Hunt-Wa member. A VERY GENEROUS OFFER! When the initial tags were mailed out. I was frantic! I had a hound tag! Paper in my hand. Not just the internet/computer notice. No doggies and no snow machine though. Then the letter in the mail... There was a mistake in Olympia. duh.. ;) Anyway... I was and would be quite willing to put in the time and considerable reimbursement to a houndsman to take a quality cat to save many deer. I recall that Machias even offered to assist. If needed, I'd have found a snow mobile to run. I have to believe that there are many that apply for the hound hunt 'without owning dogs', that would do the same.
I am terribly sorry that you were not able to connect with the cat of your dreams on so many hunts this season, but also quite happy, as I bet you are, that you got several opportunities to run your dogs and even get some collar time for the pup.
I hope to shake your hand one day and maybe toss back a brew or two with ya some day.
-Steve
Post by: villageidiot on January 05, 2011, 09:43:36 AM
Jack, Just to let you know Mulehunter took a guy last winter that his kid got drawn and it was a disaster. Mule met him in Ferry county, slept in a guys garage and the guy didn't have enough money to pay Mule anything so he did it for free. Mule got on a lion on Sun. morning and the dogs were on the track when the guy had to leave because he had to get his kid back to his wife or lose custody. That left Mule with his dogs out chaseing the lion. He had to track the dogs down and take them home. Mule lives 5 hrs. from this location so he was done since the tag owner had left. Then the next weekend Mule headed over to meet the guy again and when he got there the guy called and aborted his plan to come meet Mule because his kid (that had the tag) started bawling and didn't want to go. Mule got stood up and spent several hundred dollars trying to help some guy out so he could at least run his dogs. Not knowing the tag owners is a real problem and the hound owner can't continue to keep his dogs trained without some sort of pursuit season. If Mule hadn't taken this guy that stood him up he wouldn't have got to go at all because nobody else called him. There is a very big problem here and it needs fixed.
Post by: Houndhunter on January 05, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
thought you might like to hear why every houndman in the state has a problem with anyone being allowed to draw a hound permit. not sure if you are aware but the only chance we have to run and keep our dogs up legally other than the hound permits is chasing raccoons. there are very few and limited areas to do this, and it can be extremly hard to find them on the eastside. these lion permits are the only chance we get at running our dogs on a cat if anything at all. when we draw a permit we really dont care about the quota getting met, most hound guys have already killed a lion anyways (except you mule, sorry mean joke :chuckle:), all we want to do is run our dogs. i know when i draw i will be hunting from dec till march running my dogs as often as i can. when a non hound guy draws he hunts what one or two times, or really until he trees a cat and hes done. especially now since you can hire a guide to go find a cat for you. look at bearpaw, guys have seen him from these sites and seen they dont even need to know dog owners to use the tag. they can buy there way through it, so it might be alright for guides like bearpaw because they get to run their dogs and make money but it leaves us real hound guys empty handed. i gaurentee people will see the threads posted from bearpaws clients alone and start putting in because they see they can buy a guide, its already 4-5 times harder to draw a tag then it use to be. even if we had someone that didnt buy a guide we're still forced to run our dogs with someone other than ourselves if we want a chance use our dogs. you really think im going to trust some guy on the web that says he has a tag and wants to go hunt? i dont hunt with people i dont know and i sure as hell would not use my hounds with them. if we had other ways to run hounds in this state it wouldnt be a big deal but this is the only way to run your dogs on cats here plain and simple.
plus look at how many more cats wouldve been killed if non hound owners didnt shoot all the females, i heard of one killed that wieghed 60lbs! you might as well go pick up a kitten from the local humane society, run it up a tree and shoot it. you dont manage lion by killing more females than males, plus how many of those females killed had kittens nearby that wernt seen or even worse maybe were seen? there was a good reason that it was kept to hound owners only, but now i think its probably a lost cause and will never go back to the way it was. the wdfw makes more money when non hound guys put in as well, and thats prob why they changed the rule to begin with. i would love to see some pursuit only seasons for hound owners only, but thats not likely to happen either. just remember for us guys that own and train our hounds year round, have one opportunity to use our hounds on cats and these permits are it
sorry mule, didnt mean to thread jack just thought this needed to be explained
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 06:19:10 PM
jackofalltrade, and all you other non hound owners :chuckle:
thought you might like to hear why every houndman in the state has a problem with anyone being allowed to draw a hound permit. not sure if you are aware but the only chance we have to run and keep our dogs up legally other than the hound permits is chasing raccoons. there are very few and limited areas to do this, and it can be extremly hard to find them on the eastside. these lion permits are the only chance we get at running our dogs on a cat if anything at all. when we draw a permit we really dont care about the quota getting met, most hound guys have already killed a lion anyways (except you mule, sorry mean joke :chuckle:), all we want to do is run our dogs. i know when i draw i will be hunting from dec till march running my dogs as often as i can. when a non hound guy draws he hunts what one or two times, or really until he trees a cat and hes done. especially now since you can hire a guide to go find a cat for you. look at bearpaw, guys have seen him from these sites and seen they dont even need to know dog owners to use the tag. they can buy there way through it, so it might be alright for guides like bearpaw because they get to run their dogs and make money but it leaves us real hound guys empty handed. i gaurentee people will see the threads posted from bearpaws clients alone and start putting in because they see they can buy a guide, its already 4-5 times harder to draw a tag then it use to be. even if we had someone that didnt buy a guide we're still forced to run our dogs with someone other than ourselves if we want a chance use our dogs. you really think im going to trust some guy on the web that says he has a tag and wants to go hunt? i dont hunt with people i dont know and i sure as hell would not use my hounds with them. if we had other ways to run hounds in this state it wouldnt be a big deal but this is the only way to run your dogs on cats here plain and simple.
plus look at how many more cats wouldve been killed if non hound owners didnt shoot all the females, i heard of one killed that wieghed 60lbs! you might as well go pick up a kitten from the local humane society, run it up a tree and shoot it. you dont manage lion by killing more females than males, plus how many of those females killed had kittens nearby that wernt seen or even worse maybe were seen? there was a good reason that it was kept to hound owners only, but now i think its probably a lost cause and will never go back to the way it was. the wdfw makes more money when non hound guys put in as well, and thats prob why they changed the rule to begin with. i would love to see some pursuit only seasons for hound owners only, but thats not likely to happen either. just remember for us guys that own and train our hounds year round, have one opportunity to use our hounds on cats and these permits are it
sorry mule, didnt mean to thread jack just thought this needed to be explained
I came on this thread to read mulehunter's most recent posts but I have a few replies to this:
First, so are you really saying I am not a real hound guy??????? WTF?
Next, when it was only doggers getting tags, the females were shot by doggers, this year my hunters in Washington all passed numerous females to shoot a tom. My best guess it is the permit holders not going with a guide kill the most females. Don't be making claims about me that are false.
Rather than throw around this trash talk, get off your a$$, get organized with the right groups, and lobby the Commission for an open pursuit-only season. That is what will actually solve the problem if your main goal is to truly run your dogs. I have asked for some of the doggers to help support an open pursuit season. I had established some support for this in the Dept and no doggers want to take the time to help get a pursuit season. So my response is "Quit your bitching" you are getting back exactly as much as you have put into the issue! :twocents:
Next, it has taken the lobbying efforts of numerous sporting groups like SCI, HHC, and WFWC (these are mostly average sportsfolks not owning hounds) lobbying legislators to get these limited hound hunts going. Why should the average hunter not be allowed to apply for a permit?
Think about this... A dog does not get more food by biting the hand that feeds it! :twocents:
This is the type of self centered attitude that helped hound hunting to get voted out by other hunters in the first place. :twocents: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 06:25:55 PM
Sorry for jacking your thread mulehunter. Please keep the photos and stories coming through the rest of your pursuit season for all to see.
Bearpaw, No worry. I love this Thread. Its good for everybody to understand how Houndmen feel about those Permit, Bio, Pursuit, Etc. Its good infomation right here and learn about how each person feel about it.
I need to come up spend time with ya for fun and go pursuit Cougar up your area since you have Permit. It better not end up crash my truck like last year on Cindy Permit. :chuckle:
Mulehunter ;)
mulehunter you are funny.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
You are definitely welcome to come over and hunt with Brian and I. :twocents:
Maybe this time I can get the other door... ;)
Post by: Houndhunter on January 05, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
what i dont like about guides, and im suprised your upset by this, is now people see that they can hire someone to get a lion. whats the need to find a houndsman when you can pay a guide, and guides are the only ones to benifit from it. and it will only make our draw odds worse, so more clients for you and less tags for houndsman. i know times aint easy and it would suprise me if you didnt take advantage of the situation, because some one else would. anyways dont go making assumptions about people you dont know. you have anything else to say bout me send it in a pm, i was just stating my views and views of other houndsman
Post by: mulehunter on January 05, 2011, 07:05:14 PM
Mulehunter.
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 07:35:27 PM
for one im not one to get upset, so no need to act like an ass. real hound guy meaning my job is not a hunting guide, part of your job is running hounds something i would kill for. and where did i say you shot females? as far as not getting involved, ive wrote my letters despite only getting and auto e-mail as a response at best. i work full time and go to college full time so dont try to give me crap about getting off my butt and go loby, no one listens to a 20 year old but i still write lmy etters. as far as your sporting groups getting our permit season is bs, and you know that. if our wdfw didnt do anything people in those counties would have taken matter into there own hands and that what was the reason not because groups like sci and what not
what i dont like about guides, and im suprised your upset by this, is now people see that they can hire someone to get a lion. whats the need to find a houndsman when you can pay a guide, and guides are the only ones to benifit from it. and it will only make our draw odds worse, so more clients for you and less tags for houndsman. i know times aint easy and it would suprise me if you didnt take advantage of the situation, because some one else would. anyways dont go making assumptions about people you dont know. you have anything else to say bout me send it in a pm, i was just stating my views and views of other houndsman
Let me remind you, you are the one who made the offensive comments, and I will reply in the thread in which you made those comments. Mostly, I did not apprecite your comment which seemed to imply that I am not a real hound guy just because I am a guide. Your words, not mine. And you basically just said it again. Let me be clear, I was hound hunting before you were ever concieved. I started guiding so I could afford to go hound hunting more often. That is exactly why I began guiding, so I could afford to hunt my dogs more.
People seem to assume that a guide gets into guiding for the money. For any guide who has stayed in business for any lenght of time nothing could be further from the truth. I guide because I love to hunt, I especially love hunting with hounds, I made far more money before I became a full-time guide.
I mentioned the groups who are most responsible for getting the public safety hunts started. This is a fact whether you know it or not. County Commissioners in the five counties also put a great deal of pressure on the legislators. It took a great deal of lobbying and work to get the permits in place and its upseting to see someone trashing the system that they had no involvement in getting established. We are lucky to have anything, when you get a chance, you need to thank those groups for their work.
You were the one who said that non-houndhunters were killing all the females. The fact remains, when only hound hunters were getting the tags, females were killed then too. Maybe I read too much into your comment, it sounded like you were blaming anyone who takes a non-hound owner hunting, for shooting all the females? If that was not your intent I will withdraw that critisism. If that is what you were saying, my comment stands. :twocents:
If you want to hunt your dogs more, support an open pursuit-only season statewide. That is the real answer to keeping your dogs trained. :twocents:
Post by: mulehunter on January 05, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
I am willing put my time effort to track lions for permit. I can't help it but its better than staying home.
Would be nice if they would at least pay my gas and if I was lucky maybe get cc to cabelas or something?
just cause I am putting in all the real work all they have to do is show up and pull the trigger.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2011, 08:47:38 PM
Seems like more people are enjoying houndhunting. The only reason I brought it up because I had bad experience with non- houndman the kid while ago, Like I said I will still go for some permitte who doesn't own hounds.. I hope they understand how much I put my time with dogs, gas, snowmobile, and all my experiences with all lions.
I am willing put my time effort to track lions for permit. I can't help it but its better than staying home.
Would be nice if they would at least pay my gas and if I was lucky maybe get cc to cabelas or something?
just cause I am putting in all the real work all they have to do is show up and pull the trigger.
Mulehunter. ;)
That's how it should be. You should be reimbursed and compensated for your effort.
Post by: Ray on January 05, 2011, 08:57:32 PM
It isn't exactly cheap to hire a guide and go hound hunting. I also have nothing against people who offer guiding services and run the dogs. This is an open season and there are a lot of people like myself who would love a chance of a lifetime on getting a nice cougar. I don't understand how someone like myself who would either team up with someone else who has dogs or otherwise hire a guide should not have the same opportunities as you for example. The requirement is to have the dogs as well as time and skill to hunt. This isn't something I would take for granted and if I have met the requirements then I should be allowed to hunt. Period. I would have to work many hours and save cash to either hire the guide or help pay my dues to someone who was KIND enough to offer their dogs up.
Considering the increasing rarity of hound hunting, I would expect those who partake in this sport to actually welcome ethical, responsible hunters who would like to experience it maybe once in their lifetime. This can do a big service to the sport itself by exposing others into this increasingly small activity.
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
houndhunter,
It isn't exactly cheap to hire a guide and go hound hunting. I also have nothing against people who offer guiding services and run the dogs. This is an open season and there are a lot of people like myself who would love a chance of a lifetime on getting a nice cougar. I don't understand how someone like myself who would either team up with someone else who has dogs or otherwise hire a guide should not have the same opportunities as you for example. The requirement is to have the dogs as well as time and skill to hunt. This isn't something I would take for granted and if I have met the requirements then I should be allowed to hunt. Period. I would have to work many hours and save cash to either hire the guide or help pay my dues to someone who was KIND enough to offer their dogs up.
Considering the increasing rarity of hound hunting, I would expect those who partake in this sport to actually welcome ethical, responsible hunters who would like to experience it maybe once in their lifetime. This can do a big service to the sport itself by exposing others into this increasingly small activity.
Very well said Ray, I have for years felt like the more people who were exposed to the sport of hound hunting, the better chance it has to survive. Mulehunter has done a great job of representing hound hunting for what it is, and many people on this forum can now see that hound hunting is a great sport. I have noticed some other threads on the forum like the one bashing waterfowl guides on the potholes, it's as if people can't stand to see any competition and want the sports all to themselves. Waterfowling has a better chance of surviving if guides introduce new hunters to the sport. I have also seen bowhunters complaining because of too many hunters. I feel that the more popular bow hunting gets, the better chance it has of survival. As hunters we all need to lose the "keep it to ourself attitude". :twocents:
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 09:39:16 PM
Post by: mulehunter on January 05, 2011, 10:06:11 PM
Sorry Scott for hi-jacking your thread!!! :jacked:
No worry. Its all good.
Mulehunter. :)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 05, 2011, 10:11:53 PM
Do you have to be a jerk to be a duck hunter? Or a duck hunter to be a jerk?
I am truly sorry I ever applied for a hound hunt Cougar tag. I would never fit in with the self centered ...
Oh hell, for get it.
You don't know me. You don't know how hard I hunt. How hard I try to stay the course and be as ethical as I was raised with self imposed rules you'll never friggin understand.
I only applied for a hound hunt because a forum member/guide offered something very generous. If I saw that opportunity to do so again... I would pass.
It is people like you that make it so difficult for those of us that don't have hounds to understand what its all about.
I wanted that experience, was willing to put out a ton of effort, some money and really wanted to build a new relationship with a form of hunting I've never experienced.
Now I want nothing to do with it. I voted *censored*it! I voted in your hound huntin favor! I voted for baiting even though I don't really endorse that but I saw the big picture.
Have a nice friggin day!
-Steve
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 10:19:18 PM
Not all hound hunters share the attitude you are referring to. I would blow off the remarks that were made and apply again. Hound hunting is something that everyine needs to experience at least once. Besides. if you don't apply, then he has accomplished what it appears he set out to do. :twocents:
Post by: Hyde on January 05, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 05, 2011, 10:30:27 PM
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Not all hound hunters share the attitude you are referring to.Naw.. I've heard it from others too..
I'll be much more satisfied if I can ever call one in with Steve's sounds on an electronic caller or by my own breath with varmint calls.
This thread was one of the coolest Iv'e read. Now...???
-Steve
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 10:30:42 PM
I for one can't wait to draw my hound tag. When I do, I'll gladly pay someone who has hounds to take me out. We'll agree up front what the game plan is. I don't have a problem taking as much time off as I need, and I won't have a problem setting the trophy threshold very high for the first ___ encounters (based on our agreement). I want to experience the thrill of the chase, and watch the dogs work, but I also want a nice tom mounted lifesize to keep watch over my trophy room. With a solid plan up front, we should all be able to meet our expectations.
When you get drawn keep me in mind, I'll take you as often as you want to go. I don't want a dime...won't take a dime. Only stipulation is no females or underage toms.
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
I'll be much more satisfied if I can ever call one in with Steve's sounds on an electronic caller or by my own breath with varmint calls.
-Steve
VERY satisfying, only downfall, very seldom do you have much time to determine size and very hard to determine sex. At least when you tree a few you can be much more selective. But no doubt calling one in is the ultimate rush!
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
But I can see hpw this all came to be. If i remember correctly, this is supposed to satisfy the need to address public safety and not to be a trophy or sport hunt. The system is based on getting a certain number of cats killed and they accomplished this by putting a higher number of hunters in the field.
So while I don't necessarily agree with the way it is set up, I can see how and why it is set up this way.
Can you remember the first couple years of the program you had to shoot the first cat treed. At least it has gotten better since those days.
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 10:45:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 05, 2011, 10:58:12 PM
Post by: jager on January 05, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
You look at their head.... big square jaw vs. round head = female....
If youv'e got a house cat try it out....or look at the pics in this thread...once you get the hang of it ...you can tell 8)
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 11:10:09 PM
Here you go:
http://fwpiis.mt.gov/content/getItem.aspx?id=40997 (http://fwpiis.mt.gov/content/getItem.aspx?id=40997)
Post by: Machias on January 05, 2011, 11:12:32 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 05, 2011, 11:14:21 PM
You can also identify a cat's weight and sex by looking at the tracks. I am within 20 pounds and right on sex 90% or more of the time by just looking at the tracks. The size of feet, toes, how the feet line up when they walk, length of stride, and how much they drag their feet.
Post by: jager on January 05, 2011, 11:16:59 PM
:yeah:
Good info on the "spot"
.....and yea the head can fool ya!
Post by: mulehunter on January 06, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
If we save some kittens by use hounds in future. The futre will bring u all great trophy cats on wall for everybody and awsome time in wood.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: mulehunter on January 06, 2011, 07:16:24 AM
Mulehunter. ;) :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on January 06, 2011, 07:54:21 AM
Machias, I liked the way the Stevens/Pend Orielle hunt went. It is my opinion that boot hunters should be allowed to take out whatever adult cat they are lucky enough to have a chance at, and with some simple training, hound hunters can easily identify a tom, and with a tom-only hound hunt the hound season stays open longer.
In any healthy animal population it is arguable that both males and females need to be harvested. Boot hunters obviously will get females harvested, and with a tom-only season the toms will get harvested.
The politics of having any hound season are complicated in Washington. Remember, seasons are based on public safety, not on sport hunting or the best wildlife management principles. It will be interesting to see how the legislature reacts to the tom-only season which was a last minute decision by WDFW.
I personally think it's probably a good idea to harvest the old mature toms who push younger toms into new territories where they get in trouble and these older toms can cause problems themselves when they get too old to hunt wild game and start looking for easier prey like pets, livestock, and kids. :twocents:
I think if the WDFW explains this well enough to the legislature they can justify the tom-only season. We will see what happens, at some point legislators will have to approve a renewal of the cougar hound hunting program or it will end. :twocents:
Post by: Machias on January 06, 2011, 07:58:24 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on January 06, 2011, 08:04:17 AM
anyways happy hunting and keep em treed ;)
Post by: bobcat on January 06, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
Post by: mulehunter on January 06, 2011, 08:22:09 AM
mulehunter, your family deserves to come first, I think everyone can understand that. Keep up your posts about your hunt during pursuit season too. Threads like this are good for the sport, for people to see what hound hunting really is all about. :tup:
Machias, I liked the way the Stevens/Pend Orielle hunt went. It is my opinion that boot hunters should be allowed to take out whatever adult cat they are lucky enough to have a chance at, and with some simple training, hound hunters can easily identify a tom, and with a tom-only hound hunt the hound season stays open longer.
In any healthy animal population it is arguable that both males and females need to be harvested. Boot hunters obviously will get females harvested, and with a tom-only season the toms will get harvested.
The politics of having any hound season are complicated in Washington. Remember, seasons are based on public safety, not on sport hunting or the best wildlife management principles. It will be interesting to see how the legislature reacts to the tom-only season which was a last minute decision by WDFW.
I personally think it's probably a good idea to harvest the old mature toms who push younger toms into new territories where they get in trouble and these older toms can cause problems themselves when they get too old to hunt wild game and start looking for easier prey like pets, livestock, and kids. :twocents:
I think if the WDFW explains this well enough to the legislature they can justify the tom-only season. We will see what happens, at some point legislators will have to approve a renewal of the cougar hound hunting program or it will end. :twocents:
AGREED.
Mulehunter.
Post by: bearpaw on January 06, 2011, 09:08:35 AM
I have talked to some people in WDFW in the past about the idea of an over the counter license for a hound pursuit season. I think there are people in WDFW who would support this idea. I have also mentioned this to the Wildlife Commission and to a few legislators, I don't think they are all opposed to the idea.
To get traction, we need letters and phone calls of support to the WDFW, the Wildlife Commission, and to legislators on the right committee. We also need sporting groups and law enforcement endorsement of the idea.
How many people are willing to help? pm me so we don't jack mulehunters thread. Sorry mulehunter....
Post by: grundy53 on January 06, 2011, 09:11:43 AM
Hound Pursuit Season
I have talked to some people in WDFW in the past about the idea of an over the counter license for a hound pursuit season. I think there are people in WDFW who would support this idea. I have also mentioned this to the Wildlife Commission and to a few legislators, I don't think they are all opposed to the idea.
To get traction, we need letters and phone calls of support to the WDFW, the Wildlife Commission, and to legislators on the right committee. We also need sporting groups and law enforcement endorsement of the idea.
How many people are willing to help?
I would help
Post by: mulehunter on January 08, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
:bash: then decide to go back to old cut. Between 18 to 24 hrs old. I decide to give a try. :rolleyes: they did amazing job working all way over in to worst diffuclt terrian I ever had been to. I knew its going happen. :chuckle: end up long long way out of country. We spennd whole day to find signal. We will never made to our dogs before dark. We ain't give up and my dogs end up down hole win all worst cliff and steep cliffs with four ft snow. I don't know how I got myself down and found them stuck on cliff. One hound fell down in half way and end up stuck. I had to climb up cliff and threw her off the cliff in to snow. :o
Finally got leash on my dogs and start climb up like 70 degree cliff crawling paddle at 700 yds. Finally got up half way getting better slope hill to hike but still 3 half to four ft snow.
Never again. Almost had two cougars today. Dang. At least one today.
Cheers...
Mulehunter.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 08, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 08, 2011, 10:36:47 PM
-Steve
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Post by: mulehunter on January 08, 2011, 11:26:31 PM
Mulehunter. :tup:
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Post by: Hornseeker on January 10, 2011, 03:28:30 PM
Nice cat pics too... collar is ugly though!!!
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Kitty not happy.
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Post by: quadrafire on January 10, 2011, 07:25:04 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Ffacekit.jpg&hash=aefe52d294a02dfd4c05eb7cde51c0cffdd3ef2b)Bone, I think that is the coolest cat pic I have ever seen!!!!! That is awsome
Post by: boneaddict on January 10, 2011, 07:30:07 PM
Post by: quadrafire on January 10, 2011, 07:39:43 PM
Thanks Quad! I was trying for a different effect. The focus on the branch and eyes, then blending off. I wasn't sure I pulled it off.I would say you you pulled it off in a big way!
Post by: mulehunter on January 10, 2011, 08:25:56 PM
Today my wife and I finally got call from head of wdfw. We had a long talk. I am still boiling inside my stomach and they have their way and I am not supposed to bother biologlist people while they are trying to collar cougar. I am glad I pull my dogs when I did. I guess I was in the wrong. It really frustrate me so much and i know where big lions I have been following for days and found him wrong day wrong time. I still don't know how I can pretend I forget all about it. We pay for our license /fee/ tags. Then they take the oppertunity away. And treated like dirt by these state officials and volunteers. And Bio and Volunteer told me to come back NEXT DAY and I respect and I came back but there is FIVE rigs. Whatever.
I don't know why they want to keep data collars while even I am there. ??? . If they want to waste ur money to biologlist. It just doesn't seem fair.
They apologized but i am still pissed off. But it is what it is.
Mulehunter.
Post by: Cowboy on January 10, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
You are definatley are the bigger man here! They should at least try to make things right with you. Great stories and wonderful pictures!!! You should be proud of all the work you have done with your dogs. They are working so good for you! Best wishes for finding the big one!! (and taking his picture).
Post by: Austrian Hunter on January 11, 2011, 01:22:37 PM
Mule,
You will get the big one eventually, as hard as your work on them you will get him, just a matter of time!!!!!!!
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Post by: 400out on January 15, 2011, 08:46:31 AM
That is an awesome pic Bone! Imagine THAT as the last thing you see on this earth... :yike::yeah: especially if your a terrain like your talking :yike: your only bet is too lay down and start covering yourself :chuckle:
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