Post by: Ihuntelk2 on December 05, 2010, 09:51:09 AM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on December 05, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
Post by: garyrnr on December 05, 2010, 11:38:37 AM
Post by: mogombo on December 05, 2010, 01:26:18 PM
Lucky you didn't wound it. :twocents:
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 05, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Post by: Rainstorm Hunter on December 05, 2010, 02:03:38 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 05, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
That sucks you missed man but at least youve seen a shooter! Ive been out at least 3-4 times a week since the opener of late season and still havnt seen a mature buck lol
Post by: mogombo on December 05, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
53 yards aint *censored* to a practiced archer with modern equipment mogombo...
That sucks you missed man but at least youve seen a shooter! Ive been out at least 3-4 times a week since the opener of late season and still havnt seen a mature buck lol
Thanks for the lesson deerslyr regarding the miracles of modern archery. I guess I still have a lot to learn after 30 plus years bow hunting and over 70 big game animals. I have shot and hunted with quite a few very gifted archers over the years and i have yet to this behavior from a "practiced archer".
Nothing like running down a road with a knocked broadhead and flinging arrows at deer running through clear cuts.
Guess have to start watching more hunting shows on TV where "bros" and "dudes" to get psyched- up and take hail mary 80 yds shots with range finders at spooked game with "modern bows" with training wheels. Cue the electric guitar solo....high five....
I have seen many,many game animals when alerted, "duck" or jump arrows at 20 yds to know a 50 plus yard shot at alerted game is a bad idea. But then again I get upset when i find gut shot and/or wounded deer from archery hunters in the woods. I know the anti-hunters love nothing better than local tv news footage of a doe or fawn running around with an arrow sticking out her ass or in her head.
I wonder why bowhunters are getting such a bad rep these days?
Post by: deerslyr on December 05, 2010, 04:00:55 PM
Post by: boonerboy on December 05, 2010, 04:13:04 PM
Post by: mogombo on December 05, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
Never said I was a trad shooter. Bought first compound n 1979, a PSE Citation Hunter, and have owned over 20 wheel bows since then plus numerous stick bows.
I know that a spooked deer, especially one chased by 3 guys in a clear cut, will move faster than an arrow at over 30 yds, even the ones shot from bows advertised in the hunting mags and on TV by your ( insert) favorite hunting celebrity. I saw over 10 blood trails in the Nile this year in the late season and no boot tracks following them. Lots of archers subscribed to the poke and hope mentality these days and I guess wounded game has become acceptable in today's culture, especially among the younger generation. "Dude, it's all about the kill" :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
I always thought the bow was a primitive and short range weapon. I guess that since the modern bow is such a deadly and efficient weapon long range weapon these days we need to drastically reduce our archery seasons. :twocents:
Post by: coachcw on December 05, 2010, 05:02:53 PM
Post by: Alan K on December 05, 2010, 05:08:02 PM
the guy said he was excited and used the wrong pin. thats not just missing badly. If I know the yardage sixty dosn't scare me a bit.
:yeah:
Post by: mogombo on December 05, 2010, 05:13:29 PM
I guess the bow is no longer considered a "primitive weapon" Better shorten the seasons
Post by: coachcw on December 05, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Post by: Alan K on December 05, 2010, 05:30:52 PM
Also, I know that an arrow fired from my bow only drops about 4 or so inches different from 53 to 45. Seeing as he missed low, he was obviously aiming lower half to lower quarter, for a heart shot. Had the buck jumped the string (an occurrence that's getting rarer and rarer with how quiet bows are these days, its more them jumping as they see the arrow approaching them anymore) it would have double lunged it; still a good shot.
And another thing, it's not like this deer was all that spooky, it was standing in 10 yr old reprod. In your extensive hunting career you've surely seen how blacktails stay frozen assuming they're hidden 90% of the time when they have that kind of cover around them. Wait, you hunt the eastside, maybe you don't know. . . His brother going up the road and around the back side of this reprod would have no affect on the deer either, it's not a wide open cut that the thing could see him looping around flanking and get jumpy.
Just take it easy, read everything thoroughly, consider the possibilities of what could have happened, and lastly understand that you weren't there and in all actuality don't have enough information to pass judgment at all before commenting.
Post by: Alan K on December 05, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on December 05, 2010, 06:01:40 PM
And I'm with ALAN K, if I've got an additional shot at 100 yds at an animal I've already hit, your damn right I'd try to get another one in him - Just like a riffle or muzzy hunter would. :twocents:
Post by: CountryslickR on December 05, 2010, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: Titan-1 on December 05, 2010, 06:30:58 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on December 05, 2010, 06:40:05 PM
That's a lonnnggg shot with a bow. Especially at an animal that is looking at you.
Lucky you didn't wound it. :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on December 05, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
Post by: mogombo on December 05, 2010, 11:08:26 PM
And what if he shot it in the rear leg? A lot of guys on here would say "At least you stuck the mother f'er bro"
An arrow travels at maybe 310 fps with a hunting weight arrow from the fastest bow and sound travels at at approximately 1100 fps depending on temps. A deer looking at you and is ready to flee at 53 yds. An "experienced, ethical and skilled" bow hunter would never shoot at an "alerted animal" at more than 20 yds.(I am not taking about a animal just walking through the woods and is calm and not alerted). I think a lot of guys on here do not have much experience bow hunting based upon your responses."A monster blacktail dude, You have to sling some arrows at it". If you hit it in the ass "No biggee bro".
Seems a lot of recent converts from firearms season now bowhunting. Do the math geniuses. One step forward and he is lost. But, that's ok a few wounded, gut shot and lost deer don't make a difference. Look at all of the yahoo's and d-bags on hunting shows and youtube
It's all about the glory and ego
I predict in 5 years archery season will be reduced to one week thanks to all of the recent archery converts. An interesting look at our culture. Take a look at what is going on in our culture. At all levels a lowering of standards. Never thought it would creep into hunting.But then again I never thought that Hussein Obama would be elected
Post by: mogombo on December 06, 2010, 12:19:33 AM
I have a 90 yard pin . that must mean I'm gonna use it . But killing 26 elk with a bow in 15 years probily wouldn't qualify me as experianced so I better just get rid of all exept one pin because thats the only ethical pin to use . GIVE ME A BREAK . Dont us your skills as a bench mark for every one. :twocents:
30 years shooting tournaments (FITA) and I have no skills. Shooting paper is like shooting a live animal I guess. I have shot with national level shooters who routinely pass on 40 yd shots if animal is alerted and looking at shooter.
Apparently for everyone now the bow is now a 100 yd weapon
Let's reduce the archery season to 1 week and eliminate the general late season for elk and deer and make it draw only since it is not a primitive weapon ( training wheels) and capable of 100 yds.
Good point.
Post by: krout81 on December 06, 2010, 02:43:28 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 06, 2010, 04:25:57 AM
Post by: coachcw on December 06, 2010, 06:17:40 AM
Post by: krout81 on December 06, 2010, 06:31:12 AM
Post by: halflife65 on December 06, 2010, 09:26:36 AM
Sorry you missed. Maybe I would've taken this shot, maybe not. It was your call, not mine.
Post by: Machias on December 06, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Don't comment, just let it pass. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: DoubleJ on December 06, 2010, 10:01:42 AM
I have a 90 yard pin . that must mean I'm gonna use it . But killing 26 elk with a bow in 15 years probily wouldn't qualify me as experianced so I better just get rid of all exept one pin because thats the only ethical pin to use . GIVE ME A BREAK . Dont us your skills as a bench mark for every one. :twocents:
30 years shooting tournaments (FITA) and I have no skills. Shooting paper is like shooting a live animal I guess. I have shot with national level shooters who routinely pass on 40 yd shots if animal is alerted and looking at shooter.
Apparently for everyone now the bow is now a 100 yd weapon
Let's reduce the archery season to 1 week and eliminate the general late season for elk and deer and make it draw only since it is not a primitive weapon ( training wheels) and capable of 100 yds.
Good point.
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Post by: DoubleJ on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
Ihuntelk2, I'm surprised you posted your story..It has every element of what not to do while in the field with any weapon...driving down a road,bailing out of a rig,weapons ready, running for a chance at a shot,adrenalin pumping,shots fired...everyone should know their limits on distance,and accuracy at that distance.I have my own limits,50 yrds with a muzzy,30 yrds now with my longbow,my rifles well I can pop a yote in the head way out there,but I hunt close ranges for the adventure of it...My muzzy is dead accurate at 100yds,but if I cant get any closer than that I will hunt with a rifle,,,All this being said, that is just me...To each his own..what happened with you guys was a recipe for a bad situation..Hope ya learn from it and get one the next time a critter is in your sights
I agree with this though too. I hate the act of truck hunting
Post by: tlbradford on December 06, 2010, 11:33:41 AM
Please don't try to tell me that a deer that is by a road, hear's a vehicle stop, several folks jumping out and moving through brush, is not alerted.
Post by: Alan K on December 06, 2010, 11:52:19 AM
Just take it easy, read everything thoroughly, consider the possibilities of what could have happened, and lastly understand that you weren't there and in all actuality don't have enough information to pass judgment at all before commenting.
Hey mogombo, read my post, then go read over the original post. He didn't miss by feet, he missed just under the vitals. By two feet behind the deer he is saying two feet behind where the deer was standing from his line of sight is where the stump was that he hit, not 2 feet behind the body of the deer or anything. I swear some people just see stuff on here, immediately see red and just go off ranting without fully reading. . . .
I think a lot of guys on here do not have much experience bow hunting based upon your responses."A monster blacktail dude, You have to sling some arrows at it". If you hit it in the ass "No biggee bro".
Where are you getting these quotes? Exactly, you aren't getting them from anywhere . . . You aren't reading stuff for what it is, you're reading it as how you see it which is clearly faaaaar out of context.
Post by: bow4elk on December 06, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
And if it makes you feel any better, here's how I once blew it on a huge Oregon blacktail. I was waiting out a heavy downpour in the back of my truck when I decided I needed to get out and just get wet. I walked down a faint trail to the base of a mature timber stand where it opened up into a small sparsely regrown cut. It was peak rut and I made the mistake of not nocking an arrow as I stood against the trunk of a large doug fir. I was more concerned with staying dry and comfortable than being prepared to fill my tag. I looked to my left as a 130" class stud approached on a steady walk nosing the ground at 30 yards. As I tried to nock an arrow he caught me moving.
When I score animals for record books, I hear all the time how guys were able to change a truck tire, do cartwheels, and eat a hot meal while a buck just stood there watching. This has never happened to me. I never get lucky in these situations, and this was no different. He bailed and I beat my head against that big fir for an hour or so to let the lesson sink in.
Post by: Alan K on December 06, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
Also, I know that an arrow fired from my bow only drops about 4 or so inches different from 53 to 45. Seeing as he missed low, he was obviously aiming lower half to lower quarter, for a heart shot. Had the buck jumped the string (an occurrence that's getting rarer and rarer with how quiet bows are these days, its more them jumping as they see the arrow approaching them anymore) it would have double lunged it; still a good shot.
You missed this point too I guess mogombo.
A modern bow will shoot a hunting arrow around 280 fps. So the deer, standing 159 feet away, has a little over half a second to react before the arrow strikes it. Again, bows these days are extremely quiet compared to the loud compounds of 15-20 years ago. I fully believe that they react more to seeing the arrow dropping in on them these days on a longer shot than when the bow string is actually released. It's far less of a loud snapping sound that makes them jump, more so just a whisper anymore if you ask me. In that half second, and even if it reacted immediately after the string was released, would have little time to actually move. Deer crouch down before taking off bolting, getting into their legs for a powerful takeoff. Again, read my post above. Sounds to me like the hunter took that fact into account when he he shot. The deer didn't jump the string at all in fact, and didn't take off until the arrow struck the stump behind it (which made it sound like a hit). He missed, and missed low (a good miss), and the buck gave him the slip.
Post by: Alan K on December 06, 2010, 12:17:51 PM
If I had an arrow in a deer or elk and there was a broadside 100 yard shot later on when tracking it down, and I thought the shot was bad then why risk putting another bad shot in it? Take your time get closer and make a better shot. :twocents:
Obviously every situation is different, but if an animal is marginally hit it's likely got enough life in it to go a long ways, and in a hurry. By trying to get closer (especially here in this brush on the westside!) you're risking pushing it and who knows when it will slow down (remember, marginal shot, marginal blood trail). You just heighten the chances of losing the blood trail by risking getting closer. I'd take a shot at getting more blood on the ground to track, not to mention a chance at speeding up the death of the animal.
That's just my opinion, and every one of the millions and millions of possible situations will be different. In some cases it may be possible to get closer, in which case you should, but others it won't be (without pushing the animal), and the 100 yard pin (or any extended range pin for that matter) will be beneficial.
Post by: h20hunter on December 06, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Post by: Prime Time on December 06, 2010, 12:38:13 PM
I would have take the shot. I may have missed as well. I'm not gonna try and beat some guy up for taking a shot that he was confident in. Pretty damn hard to pass judgement on somebody when you weren't there. I guess if he had a flashlight on his bow maybe, but not this time.
:yeah: From what I've seen on here is that there are WAY too many guys on here that love to nit-pick at any little thing they get the chance at, but if you're not there, you really don't know..give the guy a break..
Post by: bow4elk on December 06, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
One thing that will never be accomplished here is convincing either side that their point is not valid. And now the posts are becoming intertwined with new accusations of 100 yard shots, etc.
Let's please put this to rest.
If you'd like to start a new post about ethics, please do. I think post-season is a great time to reflect on our experiences and learn from them. I also think there are better ways to share expertise and knowledge in the spirit of helping people become better archers in the field. We all come from different backgrounds and experiences. The audience of this site is thirsty for knowledge so let's share and educate rather than ridicule and attack. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 06, 2010, 01:04:27 PM
Post by: Ihuntelk2 on December 06, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
Post by: halflife65 on December 06, 2010, 06:57:19 PM
Good luck in your future hunts!
Post by: patton1 on December 06, 2010, 07:15:46 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 06, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
Keep at it and you'll catch up to him sooner or later
Post by: Ihuntelk2 on December 06, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: coachcw on December 07, 2010, 06:24:43 AM
Post by: Steve Jo on December 07, 2010, 10:00:15 PM
now that the ethics discussion is over, Mike.
What was the angle if you can recall?
A downhill shot requires yardage to be cut out of your shot. Each archer / bow set up will yeild slightly different results, but as an example.
if I were shooting a 35 degree downhill shot at 55 yards (pretty steep) I'd need to cut 10.9 yards out and hold for 44.1 yards on the shot.
sounds like that's right about where you ended up, albeit accidentally. of course, angle is pretty critical. Just 10 degrees less on the same shot (25 degrees down) would require only 6.9 yards to be cut out with a final hold of 49.1 for the 55 yard shot.
Post by: Lightning_Rider on December 07, 2010, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: Ihuntelk2 on December 08, 2010, 04:25:24 PM
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