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Big Game Hunting => Bear Hunting => Topic started by: fishermanjoe on December 08, 2010, 09:30:07 PM

Title: Why is it that....
Post by: fishermanjoe on December 08, 2010, 09:30:07 PM: when a person shoots a bear it is always 6' 300+ pounds? I don't get it.... Guess there is nothing but 6'ers moseying around the woods. :dunno:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: ICEMAN on December 08, 2010, 09:31:06 PM: Not me... I shot boo boo bear for my first, and my second wasn't much bigger...

It is sort of like a wet cat....you had no idea it was actually that tiny until you threw it in the lake... Bears just look big to me...
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Post by: 7mag. on December 08, 2010, 09:33:50 PM: They all think that they are shooting a huge bear, until they walk up to it, and it weighs 120lbs. They must stick to the size they thought it was when they shot. It's all about trophy's to some people.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: runamuk on December 08, 2010, 09:41:59 PM: bears do look big especially when they are close up :chuckle: even little squalling booboo bear up a tree looks pretty big...ok actually he looked about the size of my standard poodle upon reflection but at the time it was his even bigger mommy I was worried was gonna get up close and personal.....he was about 70lbs is my best guess....
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Post by: Kain on December 08, 2010, 10:32:38 PM: Doesnt fly here. You will have 20 guys calling BS on you. :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: ML_Hunter on December 08, 2010, 10:38:50 PM: A 6 foot 300 pound bear most deffently diserves a store with photos! The first bear I shot was 150 lbs and the second a 130 lbs bear. One of these days i'll find a 200 lbs bear wondering around in my cross hairs. I've taken 4 overall and the 150 was the longest bear at about 5'4", which was longer than my 170 bear which was only 5'2".
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 08, 2010, 11:18:45 PM: ML Hunter,

What you just said leaves me to thinking was that a measurment that you got after stretching the raw skin on both bears? Or was one raw when you took the measurment and the other rugged by a taxidermist and measured by a the taxidermist? Were they both rugged and measured by the taxidermist?

I am very very VERY picky about my Bear Rugs! Mainly because I like working on Bears and I want them to look good. I like my Bear rugs "squared". There are taxidermists out there that like to stretch a Bear as long as possibe (nose to tail) with out caring how it will look when they stretch out the sides. Most of the time it makes a bear look long and skinny.

For those that have never had a Bear rug done by a taxidermist most taxidermists charge by the "Linier Foot" when doing a Bear Rug. That is a measurment from the Tip of the Nose to the Base of the Tail. That is how a taxidermist makes there money. Having a nicely "squared" bear rug is a huge peeve of mine.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: billythekidrock on December 09, 2010, 05:27:35 PM: Quote from: fishermanjoe on December 08, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
when a person shoots a bear it is always 6' 300+ pounds? I don't get it.... Guess there is nothing but 6'ers moseying around the woods. :dunno:

Some people believe everything their guides/buddies/ego tells them. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: boonerboy on December 09, 2010, 05:42:02 PM: the first bear I ever shot was 350 lbs. I didn't realize at the time what a trophy it was. I guess at that time I thought they were all 300 lbs. :P Its now been 10 yrs. and I have yet to kill one or find one that size but every year I have 10 people telling me about the 400-500 lb. bears they see and kill. :chuckle:
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Post by: let.it.fly on December 10, 2010, 12:57:12 PM: first bear i killed was 220 ish, this year my buddy shot one that i believe went over three. the things teath were almost gone. scared face. he was on the tail end of his life, his hips were sticking out, i would think in his prime he woulda been close to four. your guesses are as good as mine though.
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that last picture was the best i could find for size. the bear was almost up to its groin in the truck. and had already been gutted. look at the scares on his face, left eye as gone aswell. this bear was a fighter for sure, and old. super skinny for his size. i dont think it would have made it through this winter. one side of its face the upper lip was ripped clean off, since healed. lemme know what you guys think.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2010, 01:05:51 PM: When you go to throw a 120 pound bear over your shoulder, it weighs 300 pounds. :)
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: let.it.fly on December 10, 2010, 01:21:47 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on December 10, 2010, 01:05:51 PM
When you go to throw a 120 pound bear over your shoulder, it weighs 300 pounds. :)

bag "O" jelly. i dont even like draggin emm.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: HUNT on December 10, 2010, 01:54:08 PM: Here is one of those 6' 300 pounders..... :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: Gutpile on December 11, 2010, 08:26:22 AM: Quote from: fishermanjoe on December 08, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
when a person shoots a bear it is always 6' 300+ pounds? I don't get it.... Guess there is nothing but 6'ers moseying around the woods. :dunno:

I see what you mean but I don't think many people do that here. There's always a few, but people say they shot 200 lb does or 55 pound coyotes occasionally as well. :chuckle: I've never weighed one before. Maybe next year. :dunno:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2010, 08:54:42 AM: Hunt, that actually looks like it might be a 300 pounder. Nice trophy.

It goes with everything. I see scores boasted on here on certain racks and its come to a point I let most of them go without trying to always sounding like an a$$ or critic. I had it in my mind at one time to keep people honest as lots of people look on and are learning from what they see. That and it diminishes from animals that actually realistically score that or weigh that much. I think they value scores/weights to much to validate its a trophy. Some of the best trophies on here don't even have a score. I try to share score sheets and only really care so much to help people understand what makes a score. It is a good way to classify an animal but in no way contributes to whether I think its a trophy or not.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2010, 08:57:02 AM: as for a 55 pound coyote. I've weighed or have been part of weighing more bears than most, and also have measured more deer than most, but I'm not sure I have ever weighed a coyote. I'd imagine thats a big one. I can see shooting a big one then saying I bet it weighs 60 pounds....... (fish story) and that might be why bear are so exaggerated all the time. How many of you have actually weighed that many bear.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: lokidog on December 11, 2010, 10:05:13 AM: A bear guide we knew would measure the girth and had a chart for estimating pig weights that he would compare it to. He helped guide for or killed hundreds of bears in his life and claimed it was pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: Bigshooter on December 12, 2010, 09:55:59 PM: I've seen about 50 bears in my life (no idea if that is a lot or not :dunno: ) But I can only think of three that I thought would be 300lbs. One I thought might be as big as 400+lbs. It was huge. I have only killed one. And it might have been 150lbs. I would say most of the bears that I have ever seen were between 150lbs - 220lbs with the average pretty close to 175lbs. When somebody tells me they killed a 300lbs bear I just roll my eyes and ask for some pics. A 300lbs bear is a really big bear.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: cohoho on December 12, 2010, 10:51:38 PM: We put down 22 bears off two bait stations in five years in AK, we got one bear that went maybe 300lbs.... (and that is a big maybe)... You can really tell you got big boy when you go to grab the front paw to pull it out of the brush and you can't budge it or get your hand around the leg.... Most in the ball park of around 150+ and around 5.5 squared- a few in the 6 foot range and the big boy that squared right below 7... I miss that for sure....
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: jackmaster on December 15, 2010, 10:34:59 AM: back in the day when we could bait, i always used wood to make up the size of a 50 gallon drum or a sheet of ply wood. that was a great tool if they were as big as wood then they were big animals. as for me i have got a bunch of 200s a couple 150s which were the absolute best eatn i got a 350 and a 400 hundred. my cousin how ever killed a 556 pound bear about a half mile out of the town of orting, i wish i could post a picture of it but i am lucky enough to be able to find this site every day and the picture is in our family huntin album
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: ML_Hunter on December 15, 2010, 09:33:44 PM: Quote from: Michelle_Nelson on December 08, 2010, 11:18:45 PM
ML Hunter,

What you just said leaves me to thinking was that a measurment that you got after stretching the raw skin on both bears? Or was one raw when you took the measurment and the other rugged by a taxidermist and measured by a the taxidermist? Were they both rugged and measured by the taxidermist?

Both were measured before I took the hide off of the bear. I just measure from the nose to the tail. I always have one of the little 3 foot tape measures in my pocket on my key-chain so I took rough measurements. I thought about just having the hide tanned on the first one but it has a real mangy hide. But since we're on the topic, I figured that if the bear were to be mounted the hide would lay flat, so i took the measurement going from the nose down the back, then over its butt to the tail. Is the curve of its butt changing the measurement a taxidermist would give me :dunno:.
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: jason4429 on December 22, 2010, 05:48:25 PM: When i use to hunt bears with my hounds .We caught alot of bears and the average weight was around 175 lbs.
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Post by: longrange7mm on December 22, 2010, 06:18:43 PM: I have wondered that myself i cant tell you how many buddies tell me they killed a 6 ft 300 then you run to see it and they brought it out whole by themselves :liar: and its maybe a 150lbs bear
My guess is that the reality of it hasnt set in and it is a trophy in the eye of the hunter so I just let them go with it,
First pic is one i figured 160- 170 maybe 5'4"
Second Bear i figured 180- 190 maybe 5'6"
Third bear I figured 330-340 and maybe 6'1"
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: longrange7mm on December 22, 2010, 06:23:51 PM: this one was 308 lbs and 6'3"
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Post by: huntnnw on December 24, 2010, 05:52:39 AM: a aquaintance we knew up bear hunting says " i got a bear yesterday" tells his story and where he got it and how he loaded this 300 lb bear on his quad whole byhimself oh and had to drag it up hill abit to the quad.. my ass if anyone has experience with dead bears they are about the most awkward animals to move around. I love seeing photos on here of whole bears at the lodges.. hmm :chuckle:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: longrange7mm on December 24, 2010, 06:07:32 AM: Quote from: huntnnw on December 24, 2010, 05:52:39 AM
I love seeing photos on here of whole bears at the lodges.. hmm :chuckle:

They are a pain in the ass to move and no one would ever be able to drag a 250+ lbs bear anywere let alone load it after dragging it. It took 3 guys to get mine loaded on the quad and then me being 250 sitting on the front rack to keep it from flipping as we loaded it. Just because they are whole doesn't mean there not big huntnnw. When I was working on the Beluga river I seen a 9' brown bear brought out whole and filled the whole back of a F350 long bed, Just depends on the situation. About the same when you see a moose or elk whole hanging in the barn or in the truck doesnt mean anything pertaining to the size of the animal hmmm :twocents:
Title: Re: Why is it that....
Post by: high country on December 24, 2010, 06:25:59 AM: I know this much, the bear in my icon was taken in the spring. I was weighing about 260 @ 6' and have hauled a lot of big bucks on my back. that SOB would not budge when I tried to drag it. praise the lord for wiches and riggin'. never weighed a animal I killed yet other then batches of sausage. I have seen and killed enough bears to know a shooter when I see it. weight is not a big thing to me.....although one of those 600lb maine/penn bears interests me.
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Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2010, 06:32:43 AM: You are at least 50 heavy on your 3 pics longrange. (third one is kinda tough with clarity) The bear loaded is a gorgeous trophy though.
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Post by: huntnnw on December 24, 2010, 06:38:50 AM: my comment had nothing to do with size.. more on the way they were harvested :chuckle:
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Post by: high country on December 24, 2010, 07:17:44 AM: loading a 300plus pound bear is a million times worse then elk or deer. the bears seems to be a furry waterbed bladder. I should have taken a pic of the riggin it took to get mine loaded solo. winch up a tree, back the rig in and as lowering the bear I set up a pulley on a rope between the oh shucks handles in my 4 runner. good thing I had no intentions of shooting a bear that day and left my truck at home....lol