Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on December 14, 2010, 07:05:15 PM
Post by: chester on December 14, 2010, 08:29:51 PM
Post by: Curly on December 14, 2010, 08:36:33 PM
Does he still have his balls? If so maybe he you could try getting him fixed and see if that helps his disposition?
Post by: GWP on December 14, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
Post by: YellowDog on December 14, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Other than that, he may need his nuts clipped to tone it down.
Post by: BIGINNER on December 14, 2010, 08:54:37 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 15, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on December 15, 2010, 08:22:53 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on December 15, 2010, 08:36:24 AM
hitting them doesnt always work, infact sometimes i think it makes it worse. next time he does that grab him and flip him on his back and hold him there, dont hurt him but be firm and continue to do that every time he growls. im no expert but this has helped with me with growly dogs, when it comes to food though i think thats just in the dog and you cant break them of that :twocents:
I AGREE WITH NO HITTING, HITTING A DOG COULD VERY EASILY MAKE IT WORSE. MY GSP THAT I RESCUED FROM A COUPLE OF GUYS FLINCHES WHENEVER I RAISE MY VOICE A LITTLE, AND I CAN'T RASIE MY ARMS AROUND HIM OR ELSE HE'LL HUCKER DOWN AND WIMPER,I'M GUESSING THE GOG WAS ABUSED BEFORE. I DUNNO IF ITS EVEN FIXABLE NOW, SO THE BEST THING IS WHAT HOUNDHUNTER IS SAYING, LET THE DOG KNOW THAT IT SHOULDN'T GROWL, BUT IN A NON VIOLENT WAY.
Post by: BallisticsNut on December 15, 2010, 08:44:31 AM
If you punish him by yelling or hitting when he does this you risk creating even a bigger issue! Your telling him its not ok to growl. So whats going to happen is some innocent little 5 year old is going to see your dog and walk up to him and starting petting him and without warning, will get bit. Dont ever take away a dogs growl! it his way of warning you he is not happy about something.
Yes, take him to a vet. Have him snipped and if he has already been snipped then have him checked for lymphnode ailments. We had a Rottie that developed this behavior at about 4 years. No matter what we did, we coulnt break her of the habit. It turned out she had cancer of the lymphnode. If we had caught it earlier, we may have been able to save her, instead we took her growls as a sign of independance and let it go. The cancer spread to her shoulder and we lost her within a year. By the time it was diagnosed, it was too late.
Lastly, your dog wants your attention and wants it his own way and is trying to be the alpha. Not a good sign and it needs to be corrected early. If he checks out physically fine and he still behaves this way after being snipped. Start off by getting up and walking away when he starts to growl. Just move to another chair or another room. If this does not work, move the dog to another room or put him in a crate or kennel for a few minutes. When you/he returns repeat the process over and over. It will take patience on your end and cooperation by the whole family. He will soon learn that he is not in control and you control the situation and the behavior will stop. As well, make sure you are not rewarding this behavior as well. When he growls, dont pet him at all! Dont give him any attention at all! As soon as he begins to growl, leave the room or kennel him! This is known as correcting the behavior, not punishing the bahavior. If you punish him for the behavior, he will never growl and someday he will just turn on someone and bite. If you correct his behavior, he will still warn before he bites.
Hope this helps
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on December 15, 2010, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: Rick on December 15, 2010, 12:35:08 PM
thanks guys, great info! i dont think its because he hurts because a small group of people he knows can pet him with no growling. he is intact though, and with his bloodlines, looks, size, drive, and hunting ability i was not wanting to get him snipped but i will try some of those other ideas with attention and crating first. i do agree that if it continues/gets worse he'll need to be fixed. :'(
Having a set of nuts,has NOTHING to do with drive or hunting ability.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on December 15, 2010, 12:37:35 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on December 15, 2010, 12:38:09 PM
thanks guys, great info! i dont think its because he hurts because a small group of people he knows can pet him with no growling. he is intact though, and with his bloodlines, looks, size, drive, and hunting ability i was not wanting to get him snipped but i will try some of those other ideas with attention and crating first. i do agree that if it continues/gets worse he'll need to be fixed. :'(
Having a set of nuts,has NOTHING to do with drive or hunting ability.
BUT DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH AWESOME PUPS
Post by: Austrian Hunter on December 15, 2010, 12:42:06 PM
thanks guys, great info! i dont think its because he hurts because a small group of people he knows can pet him with no growling. he is intact though, and with his bloodlines, looks, size, drive, and hunting ability i was not wanting to get him snipped but i will try some of those other ideas with attention and crating first. i do agree that if it continues/gets worse he'll need to be fixed. :'(
Having a set of nuts,has NOTHING to do with drive or hunting ability.
But it has with breeding!
Post by: BIGINNER on December 15, 2010, 12:43:24 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 15, 2010, 12:51:48 PM
thanks guys, great info! i dont think its because he hurts because a small group of people he knows can pet him with no growling. he is intact though, and with his bloodlines, looks, size, drive, and hunting ability i was not wanting to get him snipped but i will try some of those other ideas with attention and crating first. i do agree that if it continues/gets worse he'll need to be fixed. :'(
Having a set of nuts,has NOTHING to do with drive or hunting ability.
As said above- Nutts have nothing to do with it.
Again, take him to the vet. There are a variety of ailments which can lead to what you are describing. Don't speculate, don't guess, don't beat him, yell at him, shock collar him or try being the alpha and get into a wrestling match with him and get your face bit.
Just take him to the vet and tell the vet his history and what changes in his attitude you've noticed lately.
If the vet says he's fine then, you can talk about verbal beatings, physical corrections, collar correcting, alpha rolling, hanging from his ankles, hitting with a whiffle ball bat or any other correction you want to explore or think is handy.
Post by: quadrafire on December 15, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
To the OP you are close spokane, you may want to start with the vet visit, but it does sound more behavioural . Look into diamondsintheruff.com (http://diamondsintheruff.com) they are in spokane
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 15, 2010, 01:00:02 PM
Great post Ballistic
way too Dog Whisperer for me.....
Post by: wildweeds on December 15, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
I had a springer that would growl and come after you if you walked by while he was eating,I wasn't going to stand for that so.....................I BEAT him on the ARSE with my belt,three weeks worth of political re education and he was as good as gold till the day he died,The tune up also crossed over into other areas too.I'd start the whippings out with "I'm getting the belt",if he was misbehavin all I had to do was say " getting the belt" and he'd straighten right up.
thanks guys, great info! i dont think its because he hurts because a small group of people he knows can pet him with no growling. he is intact though, and with his bloodlines, looks, size, drive, and hunting ability i was not wanting to get him snipped but i will try some of those other ideas with attention and crating first. i do agree that if it continues/gets worse he'll need to be fixed. :'(
Having a set of nuts,has NOTHING to do with drive or hunting ability.
BUT DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH AWESOME PUPS
Post by: BallisticsNut on December 15, 2010, 08:22:58 PM
Whipping a dog with a belt only gets a dog to respect you out of fear. Not respect from leadership. He would rather run from you then listen to you when he know he has done something wrong. Show a dog who is the leader and he will follow you to his death, let the dog lead and you will have nothing but trouble. Remember, dogs are like teenagers when they are about 18 months-30 months old. This is when they will test you, over and over especially if you have a dominant male dog. After that testing faze is over, you rarely have any behavior issues as long as you lead and not follow.
Also consider consistancy. When you are in the room, your in control, not the wife, not the kids, not the nieghbor, not your friends. If the dog senses anything different, he will choose who he feels wears the pants in the family and follow/protect them. Hense the term "wife's dog".
:twocents:
Post by: seth30 on December 15, 2010, 08:29:30 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 16, 2010, 08:24:22 AM
You can't diagnose these problems via description or anything else. Had Rob followed advice given like it was here he would have been attacked. People didn't know the severity of his problem he was trying to deal with. He also described allowing the dog to run the house without defined corrections. Rob had to learn how to SAFELY cope with his dog or, put the dog down.
Robs dog is now very compliant and friendly. He also placed at the National Chesapeake Field Trial Specialty. It was a thrill for me to compete against him and then shoot the fliers in the last series to decide the winners.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59155&highlight=chesapeake (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59155&highlight=chesapeake)
Post by: mjbskwim on December 18, 2010, 01:26:07 AM
There shouldn't be a wrestling match.Shouldn't be any face biting,but you can't EVER be afraid of getting bit by your own dog.
If you want to keep the dog
If your dog gets into it with another dog,do you rush in or just yell?
I hope you wouldn't be afraid of getting bit and would jump in the middle to get your dog.
Yes I have done this with mine and plenty of other peoples dogs,without ever getting bitten. :IBCOOL:(that part wasn't just for the OP)
Anyway.You just have to make the dog lay then start rolling him over to his back,rubbing his belly. Dominating your dog doesn't need to be mean,just has to be you in a dominant position over the dog.
(ie: you holding him down somewhat,your arm around his neck not letting him move,anything making him your prisoner till you are done,not when he is done)
There are plenty of other ways to make sure he knows who's boss.At the very extreme,you hand feed the dog.Then he knows for sure that he is alive because of you.
Don't let him sit in front of you or on your foot.He's in charge here.
Make him walk in the house after you,walk behind you a little bit ,don't greet him when you first get home (really is a big deal,makes you his friend not the boss),give him a treat then take it from him,lets him know it's still yours if you want it,cause your the big dog.
Mastiffs,rots,pits and such,all big breeds need to feel your power.When you pet them do it rough house like.Pull them too you,push them to the ground and lay on them.Then the know you are way more powerful than they are.
Did this with two friends dogs.The dogs obeyed me better than the owners.
You should rub your dog down every once in a while too.As stated,he may have a tender spot that he doesn't want touched.You have to touch your dog all over,just like the vet does,to see if he's tender
But if he lets some pet him and not others,doesn't sound like the case.
Now I ain't Bob Barker or anything,but there is PLENTY of professional breeders out there,and plenty of Labs and other hunting dogs at the pound.
Guarantee you,a lot of the dogs from even on here end up in the pounds,because the people didn't realize you need to exercise a hunting dog or they destroy your shoes
If half the guys who get dogs and want to breed them would just fix them,they wouldn't have near as many problems with the dogs and we wouldn't need to kill as many at the pounds.
Good luck with your dog.
Post by: GWP on December 20, 2010, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on December 22, 2010, 01:51:30 AM
im not an expert in anyway. but short answer is if he does it again whip his a$$
And do it immediately so he knows why he's getting his a$$ whipped. They need to learn early on to never, ever get ornery. When the 'real' time comes for the dog to get ornery, they'll know.
Post by: FC on December 22, 2010, 02:30:43 AM
"and plenty of other peoples dogs,without ever getting bitten." :bs: Maybe. Just sayin'.
Being as I've done the same thing and never been bitten for it I wouldn't call BS on that one, do you just stand there and watch your dog get torn up? Win, lose or draw both dogs are taking some damage, best to get them separated as quickly as you can.
Post by: ashersdad on December 22, 2010, 04:47:16 AM
You have to keep a dominant position over your dog.As they get older they will try to challenge you to see if you are still the man.Especially if they are intact.very well put...great post
There shouldn't be a wrestling match.Shouldn't be any face biting,but you can't EVER be afraid of getting bit by your own dog.
If you want to keep the dog
If your dog gets into it with another dog,do you rush in or just yell?
I hope you wouldn't be afraid of getting bit and would jump in the middle to get your dog.
Yes I have done this with mine and plenty of other peoples dogs,without ever getting bitten. :IBCOOL:(that part wasn't just for the OP)
Anyway.You just have to make the dog lay then start rolling him over to his back,rubbing his belly. Dominating your dog doesn't need to be mean,just has to be you in a dominant position over the dog.
(ie: you holding him down somewhat,your arm around his neck not letting him move,anything making him your prisoner till you are done,not when he is done)
There are plenty of other ways to make sure he knows who's boss.At the very extreme,you hand feed the dog.Then he knows for sure that he is alive because of you.
Don't let him sit in front of you or on your foot.He's in charge here.
Make him walk in the house after you,walk behind you a little bit ,don't greet him when you first get home (really is a big deal,makes you his friend not the boss),give him a treat then take it from him,lets him know it's still yours if you want it,cause your the big dog.
Mastiffs,rots,pits and such,all big breeds need to feel your power.When you pet them do it rough house like.Pull them too you,push them to the ground and lay on them.Then the know you are way more powerful than they are.
Did this with two friends dogs.The dogs obeyed me better than the owners.
You should rub your dog down every once in a while too.As stated,he may have a tender spot that he doesn't want touched.You have to touch your dog all over,just like the vet does,to see if he's tender
But if he lets some pet him and not others,doesn't sound like the case.
Now I ain't Bob Barker or anything,but there is PLENTY of professional breeders out there,and plenty of Labs and other hunting dogs at the pound.
Guarantee you,a lot of the dogs from even on here end up in the pounds,because the people didn't realize you need to exercise a hunting dog or they destroy your shoes
If half the guys who get dogs and want to breed them would just fix them,they wouldn't have near as many problems with the dogs and we wouldn't need to kill as many at the pounds.
Good luck with your dog.
Post by: halflife65 on December 22, 2010, 06:55:39 AM
Post by: high country on December 22, 2010, 07:34:32 AM
I tried all that stuff with my wife and she just kicked me in the nuts...totally backfired.
refer to above posts.......get that wife neutered!
Post by: high country on December 22, 2010, 07:37:37 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 22, 2010, 10:34:17 AM
Alpha rolling a dog is a band aid for poor beginnings in training. Don't do it unless you know what you are doing and why it needs to be done.
Post by: mjbskwim on December 22, 2010, 05:37:36 PM
You don't have to roll it over to be the big dog.Simply be firm in everything you do with the dog and control his movements.Grab the dog to pet him,if he wants to walk away,he does it when YOU let him.
When you wrap you arm around his neck to love him up,that's being alpha
When you push him out of the way instead of walking over him,that is alpha.
When you put his food down and make him wait to eat,that's alpha.
When you are teaching a pup,you tell them once and make them do it the second time.None of this come here,come here,come here.Put a clothes line on him and reel him in when you call him the second time.
No sit,sit,sit.Sit....sit while pushing his ass down.
High country,flipping the dog when he doesn't respond make you look like the bad guy to the dog.It doesn't teach him what the command meant.
That works great if they are fighting or after they do something bad,but not so much just after a failed command.
Like Gilmore said,just go back to basics.Treat him like a puppy again.
CONSISTENCY.
I have been guilty of this and the dogs piss me off.Then I realize I give them too much freedom and the don't think they need to listen any more.
If I was more consistent they would know what I expect from them every time.
Post by: steen on December 22, 2010, 05:43:13 PM
Post by: GWP on December 22, 2010, 06:16:11 PM