Post by: Jburke on December 16, 2010, 02:52:04 AM
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Post by: Rick on December 16, 2010, 08:07:27 AM
Don't feel bad about not being able to afford a Kimber. They're QC sucks. For what they cost, Kimbers (either rifle or handgun) have far too many issues. They should be 100% out of the gate.
Post by: high country on December 16, 2010, 08:14:55 AM
Post by: Gutpile on December 16, 2010, 08:20:44 AM
I don't like 1911s. They just don't do it for me. If I was going to get one though,I'd be sure to go full sized. I don't think they're as reliable once you start cutting them down.
Don't feel bad about not being able to afford a Kimber. They're QC sucks. For what they cost, Kimbers (either rifle or handgun) have far too many issues. They should be 100% out of the gate.
Mine is 100% so far. Not one problem yet. So all Kimbers suck? I love these posts when people start saying that argueably the most respected 1911 out there really just sucks.
Post by: Redstar on December 16, 2010, 08:28:13 AM
Look around, you can find new kimber custom II's for under $800
Post by: Bofire on December 16, 2010, 08:42:39 AM
I'll take my Kimber over all of them. My carry piece has thousands of rounds thru it, not a hiccup. accurate and fast. I like it a lot.
If you cannot afford one the Springer XD seems to be a good gun.
Carl
Post by: thinkingman on December 16, 2010, 08:48:13 AM
First question is how do you plan on using it?
Target? Plink? Action Pistol? Carry? Conceal?
It's been mentioned already but the 1911 runs best in the 5" (Govt) size....as you move down the size spectrum, reliability goes down too.
I have two Kimbers and they're excellent.
My next 1911 will be an STI Spartan, about $650 delivered.
There is a limited edition Springfield out right now, I think it's called Rangemaster or Range Officer.
Pretty sweet for about $800.
Avoid the base mil-spec 1911 unless you're a tinkerer...you'll spend alot more on upgrades than if you bought one loaded.
1911's can be had with many different sight packages.
My Kimber Custom had black patridge sights and my eyes didn't like them.
XS BigDots are a nice upgrade....$150 installed.
Have fun, don't rush...shoot friends guns and get a feel for size, weight, barrel lengths.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on December 16, 2010, 08:50:32 AM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on December 16, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
people may say that kimbers rust, have failure to return to battery, failure to feed and other issues and i can tell you that i have not had one single problem with mine other than finding enough spare change to afford ammo for it
Post by: Gutpile on December 16, 2010, 08:52:36 AM
Does anybody have any first hand experience with the Taurus 1911? I've been looking at one for a while now. The guy trying to sell it to me keeps telling me how great it is. :dunno:
Thats a can of worms I refuse to open.
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Post by: oneezreiter on December 16, 2010, 08:56:03 AM
Post by: Jellymon on December 16, 2010, 09:37:49 AM
Post by: Rick on December 16, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
I don't like 1911s. They just don't do it for me. If I was going to get one though,I'd be sure to go full sized. I don't think they're as reliable once you start cutting them down.
Don't feel bad about not being able to afford a Kimber. They're QC sucks. For what they cost, Kimbers (either rifle or handgun) have far too many issues. They should be 100% out of the gate.
Mine is 100% so far. Not one problem yet. So all Kimbers suck? I love these posts when people start saying that argueably the most respected 1911 out there really just sucks.
Did I say all Kimbers suck?
Its great that you got one thats been 100%. The sad part is,that for every guy that gets a good one,there is another guy that dropped $1000 and got a POS.
Its funny that Glock can put out a weapon that costs 50% of what a Kimber does,and is almost always 100% reliable.
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
I have a Kimber custom 2 full size in .45acp and its a really solid pistol havent had a single problem with it other than it does not like blazer brass ammo. i picked it up new for $650+tax
You paid $650 for a new Kimber Custom 2? Got to be blued....right?
great price.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on December 16, 2010, 10:24:45 AM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on December 16, 2010, 10:43:50 AM
I have a Kimber custom 2 full size in .45acp and its a really solid pistol havent had a single problem with it other than it does not like blazer brass ammo. i picked it up new for $650+tax
You paid $650 for a new Kimber Custom 2? Got to be blued....right?
great price.
yup its blued, matte black though not glossy and that price was 2 1/2 years ago not sure what they are going for now. msrp was 800 then i think msrp is 850ish now
Post by: Jburke on December 16, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
Does anybody have any first hand experience with the Taurus 1911? I've been looking at one for a while now. The guy trying to sell it to me keeps telling me how great it is. :dunno:I used to have one and got rid of it. Sometimes the hammer would not stay cocked after firing. It would cycle shells through fine, but every once in awhile the hammer would de cock after cycling.
Post by: MP123 on December 16, 2010, 11:47:25 AM
Does anybody have any first hand experience with the Taurus 1911? I've been looking at one for a while now. The guy trying to sell it to me keeps telling me how great it is. :dunno:I used to have one and got rid of it. Sometimes the hammer would not stay cocked after firing. It would cycle shells through fine, but every once in awhile the hammer would de cock after cycling.
Sounds like it wanted to go full auto? :yike:
Post by: Jburke on December 16, 2010, 11:58:18 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
Post by: Jburke on December 16, 2010, 01:13:28 PM
I've got the Springfield XD 45. Very nice gun. I found mine used ( but was brand new looking ) for $450. No scratches, nothing. I have it with me in my " Fanny Pack " all the time. It handles the recoil very well.I had to comment on the fanny pack thing. I could never wear one of those things. First off, anyone who knows me would know right away that it had a gun in it. And not to mention it's still a fanny pack.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
I've got the Springfield XD 45. Very nice gun. I found mine used ( but was brand new looking ) for $450. No scratches, nothing. I have it with me in my " Fanny Pack " all the time. It handles the recoil very well.I had to comment on the fanny pack thing. I could never wear one of those things. First off, anyone who knows me would know right away that it had a gun in it. And not to mention it's still a fanny pack.
I was goona call it a " Fatty Pack " at first. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on December 16, 2010, 01:28:04 PM
I've got the Springfield XD 45. Very nice gun. I found mine used ( but was brand new looking ) for $450. No scratches, nothing. I have it with me in my " Fanny Pack " all the time. It handles the recoil very well.I had to comment on the fanny pack thing. I could never wear one of those things. First off, anyone who knows me would know right away that it had a gun in it. And not to mention it's still a fanny pack.
Hey! Think of it as just another form of camo-- Call it "Yuppieflage" :chuckle:
Post by: Jburke on December 16, 2010, 01:41:20 PM
That's a very good point. You might be able to pass yourself off as a dumb tourist as well. Just wander around aimlessly gawking at shiny objects.I've got the Springfield XD 45. Very nice gun. I found mine used ( but was brand new looking ) for $450. No scratches, nothing. I have it with me in my " Fanny Pack " all the time. It handles the recoil very well.I had to comment on the fanny pack thing. I could never wear one of those things. First off, anyone who knows me would know right away that it had a gun in it. And not to mention it's still a fanny pack.
Hey! Think of it as just another form of camo-- Call it "Yuppieflage" :chuckle:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on December 16, 2010, 01:52:37 PM
Post by: C-Money on December 16, 2010, 01:57:08 PM
Post by: tlbradford on December 16, 2010, 01:59:08 PM
The XD's aren't considered 1911's are they?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2010, 02:10:44 PM
I have a colt commander and really like it. Kimber's are nice and popular, but I have to agree with what Rick said partially. For the money, their QC is so-so and you can get a custom built, match grade everything by using a different platform. The good thing about Kimbers is that because they market themselves so well, and have a loyal following, you could pick up one used, and sell it later for what you bought it for.
The XD's aren't considered 1911's are they?
You're right XD's aren't 1911's. But you know how everybody likes to change the subject. I do actually have a Colt model 70 1911. Had it for 35 years.
I wonder what it's worth. About 85 %. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: high country on December 16, 2010, 04:04:38 PM
Post by: ser300wsm on December 16, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2010, 07:57:39 PM
about 3x what you paid for it and going up every day
I was told maybe a $1000, do you think so ?
Post by: hogsniper on December 16, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 16, 2010, 08:06:06 PM
Sorry to thread jack ya but how do you find what a guns worth?
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Try: www.gunsamerica.com (http://www.gunsamerica.com)
Post by: Hyde on December 16, 2010, 10:05:38 PM
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Post by: Jburke on December 17, 2010, 12:48:07 AM
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Post by: elk311 on December 17, 2010, 09:01:27 AM
I've had my P13 for 17 years now and LOVE it !!! 13+1 rounds of 45 ACP ya gotta love it.
Three year old custom Kimber but haven't shot it... seems real solid though.
Had a Ruger P90 that was o.k., traded it for the Para Ordnance (best move)
Post by: Bofire on December 17, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
Carl
Post by: Bofire on December 17, 2010, 10:13:21 AM
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/Tacoma_ProCarry.htm (http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/Tacoma_ProCarry.htm)
Pretty good info here I cannot find the actual test.
Carl
Post by: Buckmark on December 17, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
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In a .45, Kimber.
Shop around for a used one and you can find them in your price range, pawn shops and ask if they will call you if they get one in that your looking for, another tip with pawn shops is to ask what they have coming up that will be avail for sale, some if you know them will let you put money down to hold it for you and when it comes out its yours first to purchase.
Post by: mjbskwim on December 17, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
Next I would go to a Springfield.From all accounts they make a great quality 1911.
If you want to be the coolest guy around,look up a Les Bauer or a Wilson Combat.
They are only around $1000-2000 more than a Kimber.And again,most won't shoot it any better than a Kimber.
My best is a 1 ft group,free hand at 40yards.Just trying it out.
Your results may vary
Post by: boots on December 17, 2010, 09:41:04 PM
The Custom II is their most basic model and will be the cheapest but still high quality in my opinion. Ive never shot a Springfield so cant comment on those :twocents:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 18, 2010, 02:34:57 PM
Like was said before, determine the role of the gun, before you choose the gun.
-Steve
Post by: tlbradford on December 18, 2010, 04:06:54 PM
That is what I was trying to say. I would rather have a Colt, with a trigger job and lighter springs, then a stock Kimber.
Post by: GlennGTR on December 18, 2010, 04:11:17 PM
Post by: Jburke on December 19, 2010, 06:04:38 PM
Post by: mjbskwim on December 19, 2010, 08:09:54 PM
Saw a Springfield today that I almost broke down and bought even though I couldn't afford it. It was their loaded model with the tritium night sights for 699. They also had the same gun with the adjustable target sights for the same price.
Lay a way brother lay a way
That's a great price for a loaded 1911
Post by: Jburke on December 19, 2010, 08:46:43 PM
I'm going back in in a couple weeks to buy one. Probably the one with the night sights, I didn't really like the adjustable ones. They also had a used Kimber custom II that caught my eye. I believe it was around that same price, but again I did not like the sights on it either. I'll have some time to think about which one I want to get in the next week or two though so I may decide on the Kimber and just upgrade the sights later.Saw a Springfield today that I almost broke down and bought even though I couldn't afford it. It was their loaded model with the tritium night sights for 699. They also had the same gun with the adjustable target sights for the same price.
Lay a way brother lay a way
That's a great price for a loaded 1911
Post by: tlbradford on December 19, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 20, 2010, 10:28:08 AM
Saw a Springfield today that I almost broke down and bought even though I couldn't afford it. It was their loaded model with the tritium night sights for 699. They also had the same gun with the adjustable target sights for the same price.If this is a new gun with fresh night sights, buy it.
Post by: Jburke on December 20, 2010, 12:14:58 PM
It was indeed. They had more than just one so I'm not worried that they will sell them all at least. Even if they do sell it they will order me another.Saw a Springfield today that I almost broke down and bought even though I couldn't afford it. It was their loaded model with the tritium night sights for 699. They also had the same gun with the adjustable target sights for the same price.If this is a new gun with fresh night sights, buy it.
Post by: Jburke on December 20, 2010, 01:43:11 PM
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Post by: Jburke on December 20, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
Are you target shooting or is this a defence weapon? If you are target shooting get he Kimber. If this as a personal defence weapon go for the Springfield.It will be a little of both. I don't shoot competition or anything like that but want it to be as accurate as I can afford. Reliability is more important but accuracy is a very close second.
Post by: thinkingman on December 20, 2010, 02:40:36 PM
Are both guns blued? Stainless? I think the 699 Springer is parkerized.
Is the Kimber an internal extractor version or external?....internal is preferred and you can get a new one for 699 with an internal extractor.
Both full (government) size?
Any extra mags or anything...Springfield usually give you some goodies in the new gun package.
Internal extractor Kimber is as good as the Springer and INMHO, a nicer finished gun.
Every Kimber I've shot has a better trigger than the basic or middle tier Springers.
Night sites on the Springer would be a tie-breaker for me.
BTW, I've posted before...I talked a friend into getting the parkerized Springfield Loaded. It came so rough from the factory it needed a return immediately and still is not that great.
I know that's one of thousands but I wanted to let you know.
My next 1911 will be an STI Spartan.
Post by: timberghost72 on December 20, 2010, 03:06:42 PM
Edit. I forgot to add this site as a ton of good info. http://www.1911forum.com (http://www.1911forum.com)
Post by: Jburke on December 21, 2010, 12:59:48 AM
OK...here we go....I believe you are correct about the parkerized finish. I don't know which extractor the Kimber has but I wil see what I can find out.
Are both guns blued? Stainless? I think the 699 Springer is parkerized.
Is the Kimber an internal extractor version or external?....internal is preferred and you can get a new one for 699 with an internal extractor.
Both full (government) size?
Any extra mags or anything...Springfield usually give you some goodies in the new gun package.
Internal extractor Kimber is as good as the Springer and INMHO, a nicer finished gun.
Every Kimber I've shot has a better trigger than the basic or middle tier Springers.
Night sites on the Springer would be a tie-breaker for me.
BTW, I've posted before...I talked a friend into getting the parkerized Springfield Loaded. It came so rough from the factory it needed a return immediately and still is not that great.
I know that's one of thousands but I wanted to let you know.
My next 1911 will be an STI Spartan.
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