Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 08:11:15 PM
cause the rifle im looking at says the action is built around a 308, and isnt a 338 win mag alot bigger then a 308 case?
thanks...im kinda confused. well ok alot confused lol
Post by: Red Dawg on April 16, 2008, 08:12:49 PM
Post by: coyotemadness on April 16, 2008, 08:16:35 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
not even close. The 338 fed is nearly identical to the 308 and 300 savage.
ok thanks. thats what i was thinking. but i couldnt for the life of me find anyting that said the size of the 338 federal.
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 08:18:44 PM
and would a 338 fed be a good round for high country hunting? or should i stick with something a little smaller and flatter shooting?
the rifle im buying is a kimber 84m montana
it comes in
243. win
257. rob
260. rem
7mm -08 rem
308. win
338. fed
out of those calibers which would be the best for the high country? not concerning bear encounters of course. i have my revolver for those :IBCOOL:
Post by: FOsteology on April 16, 2008, 08:49:47 PM
Post by: 280ackley on April 16, 2008, 08:50:27 PM
Post by: FOsteology on April 16, 2008, 08:51:50 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 09:00:22 PM
What are you going to be hunting? What's the terrain like? Thick timber??
im not sure on any of the terrain yet. i have not scouted any area for the high hunt yet.
thats the only reason i am gonna hunt modern firearm this season is for the high hunt. and im buying this rifle for that purpose and that purpose only.
Post by: Bookworm on April 16, 2008, 09:10:33 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 16, 2008, 09:12:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 16, 2008, 09:19:25 PM
damn...wish i had your money. ;)
kimber, right? not kimda.
i think the next deer specific rifle i buy will be a 257 bob.
Post by: MountainWalk on April 16, 2008, 09:25:35 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 09:26:11 PM
idk though yet...i may go with the kimber 8400 instead of the 84m. either way im getting the montana model sence its the lightest in its group of models.
i just want the 84m montana sence its lighter then all the others 84m models, and over a pound lighter then any of the 8400 models.
i can go back with my weatherby mark v ultra lighwieght or remington 700 lss choices and get a different round.
but again the remmy is 1+lb heavier then the kimber 84m montana
and the weatheryby is just way more then i wanna spend, although i dont have a problem spending that money on a rifle im gonna be hiking 20 miles in a day with.
money is no object for this new toy, and i want to make sure i get exactly what i want. that goes for wieght, style, caliber, feel, optics...etc. etc. etc.
i dont reload at all...and i dont have the time to get custom work done. so what ever rifle i get will be a factory model, and all ammo will be factory loads UNless its a caliber my buddie loads.
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 09:29:59 PM
you're spending that kind of money for a rifle for 1 season and 1 hunt?
damn...wish i had your money. ;)
kimber, right? not kimda.
i think the next deer specific rifle i buy will be a 257 bob.
lol typing fast isnt my best skill
um well its specificly gonna be used for the high country. sure it will be a general season rifle as well. but my main focus is losing wieght sence its gonna be on my shoulder ALOT. i already hike more then most people during the general season.
and trust me i dont have that kinda money. but im not gonna skip out on what i want this time. there has been to many times i have baught a firearm just because i "could" and didnt like it.
this is the first time i am actually researching different rifles, and calibers, trying to get exactly what i want. that way im not buying a rifle and not liking it and selling it for half of what i payed for after only putting 20 rounds through it and never hunting with it.
Post by: MountainWalk on April 16, 2008, 09:30:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 16, 2008, 09:30:46 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 09:31:52 PM
i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??
yea that is basicly the difference
Post by: Bookworm on April 16, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 16, 2008, 09:41:50 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2008, 09:59:55 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 10:01:14 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
im really torn between 3 guns, and quite a few calibers.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Post by: mossback91 on April 16, 2008, 10:04:32 PM
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
25-06
280 rem
30-06
then 270, 7mm, 300 in wsm
those calibers minus the weatherby mags i can have reloaded from a buddie.
i also want 257 weatherby mag, and 270 weatherby mag. but those i can not get loaded. and i dont want to pay that money. though i will only have to worry about sighting it in, then it would only be shot once or twice a year.
Post by: mossback91 on April 16, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
Post by: Head-shot on April 16, 2008, 10:19:01 PM
if that was all that was offered, i would take the 308. the others cant shoot 180-200 grain bullets.,not counting the 338fed.. personally i think the 338 fed is a *censored*. I'm tired of the "lets create a new cartridge" game.... 308 ammo is cheap, you can get it everywhere, and its proven.WELL said I couldn't agree more .308 all th way...
Post by: bankwalker on April 16, 2008, 10:30:29 PM
I personaly want a .280 close to 7mm rm in ballistics for deer sized bullets with less kick. I also think a 300 wsm would be rowdy. Short action and lots of poop 30 cal it would be saweet but thats jsut my opinion. I shoot a 30-06 right nwo but its not my favorite not sure why but its not. I like the 7mm rem mag better than the 06 so I think a 280 would be a perfect balance again in my opinion and the wsms are also awesome. 7mm wsm looks intrigueing but bigstick pissed me off so I say its terrible ahha no it looks good might be better in 7mm i dunno.
well i have owned 270 wsm and 7mm wsm both great rounds. i preffer the 270wsm over the 7mm wsm.
im not a 30-06 fan at all. but i know the caliber is good and my buddie has an awesome load worked up for it. so that is the only reason i even consider it.
308 ive always wanted to own. it will do everything i would ask of it. but yet...i just havent gotten myself to own that caliber YET.
280. just has everything i can want in a round. at least on paper anyway, and the load my buddie has worked up is a bit faster according to him. and he knws his sht
from all my experiences with high country hiking, and how i hunt the low lands. i know i want the lightest rifle possible. ive got a bad back, and bucket of bolts for ankles and knees (thanks to bmx and snowboarding). i never let any of that stop me at all. but it gets annoying really fast when you carry a 8-9lb rifle/scope combo.
so i will continue to check out different rifles, caliber does not matter to much sence i have a few that i want. i just need to find the rifle that will best fit my needs, and hope it comes in a caliber that i can work with.
Post by: FOsteology on April 17, 2008, 06:15:48 AM
i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??
The 84M is the short action based on the .308 cartridge. The 8400 line has both the short action based on the WSM calibers and then the Long Actions. I've handle all the versions, and the Long Actions don't feel "right" in my hands. I much prefer the 84M and the 8400 WSM's. YMMV
The 84M is by far the lightest. Average weight is just a bit over 5lbs. The WSM trip the scale a bit over 6lbs and the Long Actions 6 1/2 to a little over 6 3/4. (references the Montana's)
If you don't roll your own, you want/need the lightest weight rifle, and Elk may be on the menu.... the .308 Win makes the most sense to me.
Post by: FOsteology on April 17, 2008, 06:24:46 AM
They were available in:
.260 Rem
7mm-08
.308 Win
.270 Win
30-06
7mm SAUM
.300 SAUM
The short actions weigh in at 5 1/4, the Long actions at 5 1/2, and the Shamu's at 6 3/8
If you look around, these can be found. The Ti (Bell & Carlson) stock is ok, but the grip is a little chunky to me. McMillan Classic or Mtn Rifle stock in EDGE would be ideal.
I have a Ti in 7mm-08 and .300 Shamu. I much prefer my Kimber Montana.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on April 17, 2008, 07:21:38 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 17, 2008, 07:33:11 AM
Post by: Curly on April 17, 2008, 08:43:19 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on April 17, 2008, 08:53:56 AM
I wonder how the tube life is on a hot tamale? :chuckle:
Post by: bankwalker on April 17, 2008, 11:38:31 AM
i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??
The 84M is the short action based on the .308 cartridge. The 8400 line has both the short action based on the WSM calibers and then the Long Actions. I've handle all the versions, and the Long Actions don't feel "right" in my hands. I much prefer the 84M and the 8400 WSM's. YMMV
The 84M is by far the lightest. Average weight is just a bit over 5lbs. The WSM trip the scale a bit over 6lbs and the Long Actions 6 1/2 to a little over 6 3/4. (references the Montana's)
If you don't roll your own, you want/need the lightest weight rifle, and Elk may be on the menu.... the .308 Win makes the most sense to me.
yea thats why i wanna go with the 84m. it just feels better in my hands then the 8400.