Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 07:12:01 AM
I'm having mixed feelings about an idea I had last night and would like some feedback.
If I take my son (Who is licensed) out hunting with me during modern firearm, and give him my harvester card, he would basically get to take 2 animals that year, one under my license as my harvester. It is legal and I know my son would love it, but, morally? Not sure where I stand.
Post by: singleshot12 on December 17, 2010, 07:17:15 AM
Post by: GoldTip on December 17, 2010, 07:17:28 AM
Post by: Gutpile on December 17, 2010, 07:21:40 AM
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I have a heart condition that hinders how far I can hike through the woods.
Arent you the guy who said you hiked 20 plus miles in one day with your kid while elk hunting? :dunno: Thats pretty good for having a bad ticker.
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 07:21:57 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 07:22:38 AM
QuoteI have a heart condition that hinders how far I can hike through the woods.
Arent you the guy who said you hiked 20 plus miles in one day with your kid while elk hunting? :dunno: Thats pretty good for having a bad ticker.
Flat ground is no problem. I can't crash through brush and thick stuff
Post by: CHUCK S on December 17, 2010, 07:25:21 AM
Post by: Ellensburg on December 17, 2010, 07:25:34 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 07:26:43 AM
I would like to find out how old your son is, if he's a juvenile then that would be different than a 25 yr old guy. My gut would tell me that you would have to be standing next to him ( or squatting, laying, sitting, you know what I mean) I don't think it's fair to sit in camp (not saying at all that's what you implied) and let some one harvest your tag. Just my thought but I wouldn't say no to something that's your legal right.
He's 9. I would most deffinately be right next to him
Post by: shoot-em-dead on December 17, 2010, 07:27:33 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 17, 2010, 07:32:07 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 07:33:41 AM
if it were legal i would let youngsters fill my tag/tags every time :dunno: there is no greater gift to me in the woods than to see the unbridled joy on a kids face when they get to knock one down :twocents:
This is how I feel
Post by: CHUCK S on December 17, 2010, 07:38:15 AM
Post by: h20hunter on December 17, 2010, 07:51:28 AM
Post by: runamuk on December 17, 2010, 07:57:29 AM
if it were legal i would let youngsters fill my tag/tags every time :dunno: there is no greater gift to me in the woods than to see the unbridled joy on a kids face when they get to knock one down :twocents:
This is the answer I would give as well.....it is legal with your card and to me there is no moral issue
Post by: Machias on December 17, 2010, 08:05:34 AM
Post by: Skillet on December 17, 2010, 08:17:53 AM
Legal? Sure. Moral? I wouldn't think so.
The harvester card is intended to be given to and used by people who cannot do what is necessary to harvest the animal due to a disability.
Ask yourself this question - if you didn't bowhunt (only rifle hunted), would you have ever applied for the harvester card? I know a few older guys that still hunt and can't do anywhere near 20 miles a day on flat ground... they don't have that card. So if you wouldn't have gotten the card for rifle hunting, is it ethical to use it for rifle hunting? Your call. But the fact you posted the question speaks volumes.
Also, what does this teach the kid? Game the system and you get to harvest more deer than regular people - legally! :bdid:
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2010, 08:20:42 AM
if it were legal i would let youngsters fill my tag/tags every time :dunno: there is no greater gift to me in the woods than to see the unbridled joy on a kids face when they get to knock one down :twocents:
This is how I feel
I don't understand the point of this thread. If you're ok with it and it's legal, who's business is it to judge what's morally ok and ethical to you?? If you're ok with it, then do it. It's clearly legal. Who gives a crap what everyone else thinks.
I don't want you to take this the wrong way....so here goes. Are you only a disabled hunter because you can't shoot a bow and hike a lot? In other words, you can beat the brush and/or hike long distances and shoot a rifle just fine??
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2010, 08:24:56 AM
If you have to buy a rifle tag for your kid to shoot a deer with his rifle on your card and you can hunt just fine with a rifle, then the moral and ethical issues for me lie in that. You shouldn't have a disabled hunter permit. That opinion is based on the answers to my other question about your abilities. I recall a really really big hike you went on this season.
Post by: kckrawler on December 17, 2010, 08:28:58 AM
But, I'm 31 years old and have shot several animals in my hunting lifetime so I don't need to take the shot. If I were in your situation and was getting my kid into hunting, he'd take every shot and every kill, at least until he got a few under his belt!!! :)
On the other side of the fence though, that companion card also means that he's there to tag, gut, process, and pack the animal out. He's also there to take care of you if your ticker pops off at the wrong time or you stumble into a hole that you can't get out of. I'd question if a 9 year old kid is capable of taking on all of those tasks much less watching his father suffer while he stands there helplessly. To me, that sounds like a very scary situation and we all know that they happen all the time...
Personally, I say you let him shoot! But more importantly, you should have another capable adult who can lead the situation if it get's too overwhelming for the kid...that'll scare him away from hunting quicker than you think. :twocents:
Post by: k_rex on December 17, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
Well said!
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 17, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
I was a designated hunter for a disabled hunter (excuse me: "hunter with a disability" is now the correct term) this past summer. He was not able to shoot an animal, and allowed me to do it for him. It was a great experience for both of us. I'd volunteer to do it again in a heartbeat.
Post by: 724wd on December 17, 2010, 11:39:42 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 17, 2010, 11:59:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 17, 2010, 12:04:51 PM
Has your 9 year old completed a hunter safety course?It would appear so:
"If I take my son (Who is licensed) out hunting with me during modern firearm"
Post by: wayner on December 17, 2010, 12:34:16 PM
Morally I think it is fine. It is giving a young buck more experience.:yeah:
Post by: flinger on December 17, 2010, 12:47:11 PM
just curious,Where do you hunt elk at that you can hike 20 miles on flat ground and not tromp through thick stuff. That sounds like my kinda Elk country :chuckle: :dunno: :stirthepot:QuoteI have a heart condition that hinders how far I can hike through the woods.
Arent you the guy who said you hiked 20 plus miles in one day with your kid while elk hunting? :dunno: Thats pretty good for having a bad ticker.
Flat ground is no problem. I can't crash through brush and thick stuff
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 03:01:34 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 03:02:02 PM
Has your 9 year old completed a hunter safety course?
Yes, and bagged his first deer this year
Post by: Gutpile on December 17, 2010, 03:11:58 PM
It wasn't elk, it was mulies in GMU 260. I didn't correct gutpiles post because it wasn't relevant to the thread. We walked a ways during elk too but not as far.
I was going off of this quote which is in the Elk forum under the "never again" thread.
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He's a hiker. Over in Foster Creek, he did 28 miles the first day and 17 the second. Yesterday, we did 9.7.
Post by: DoubleJ on December 17, 2010, 03:18:39 PM
The thread wasn't about whether or not I deserve a disabled hunters designation. I feel like I do or I wouldn't have applied. The state feels like I do or they wouldn't have given it to me. And mostly, my doctor thought that I did, enough so that he had to put his medical license on the form that I turned in, risking reprocutions if he made false claims. I am a disabled hunter, whether or not anybody thinks I should be. BTW, if any of you doubt my abilities, please, get ahold of Soldier5 on here. He is the only person from this website that has ever hunted with me. He can be my first hand witness that I have major difficulties when it comes to hiking. Not that I should need this proof.
Now, back to the thread at hand please.
Post by: steen on December 17, 2010, 04:06:49 PM
Post by: link on December 17, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on December 17, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
No qualms about it... Only person that will judge you is you and your son.
I feel that if it is legal go for it.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on December 17, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
I would like to find out how old your son is, if he's a juvenile then that would be different than a 25 yr old guy. My gut would tell me that you would have to be standing next to him ( or squatting, laying, sitting, you know what I mean) I don't think it's fair to sit in camp (not saying at all that's what you implied) and let some one harvest your tag. Just my thought but I wouldn't say no to something that's your legal right.
You have to be in line of sight of the designated hunter also said hunter has to have his own license, and tags to be hunting with you legally. As for me I see no issue in it. Honestly I have never used mine though I would gladly let either of my children harvest my animal if the situation presented itself.
Post by: coachcw on December 18, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 18, 2010, 09:02:17 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on December 18, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Post by: Hunterman on December 18, 2010, 10:35:58 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: bobcat on December 18, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
You have to be in line of sight of the designated hunter also said hunter has to have his own license, and tags to be hunting with you legally.
The regulations state that you have to be within 1/4 mile and have a form of direct communication. About the companion hunter also having a license and tag, are you sure about that? I think a hunting license is needed just basically to satisfy the hunter education requirement. A hunting license from another state will satisfy the requirement that the designated companion hunter be a licensed hunter. The companion hunter does not need to have a tag.
Post by: ribka on December 18, 2010, 11:17:28 AM
Anyway even being the DH would rather have someone else shoot if possible. :twocents:
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 18, 2010, 01:40:03 PM