Post by: muley210 on December 26, 2010, 04:17:52 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on December 26, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
Is this public or private land?
Post by: Antlerking on December 26, 2010, 05:14:31 PM
But I cant wait to hit the hills :) I will be out there for 3 months strait 3-4 days a week pickin up the bone.
Post by: lokidog on December 26, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
It is too bad people can't think of the animals welfare over their personal gain.... :(
Post by: muley210 on December 26, 2010, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: Antlerking on December 26, 2010, 07:08:42 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on December 27, 2010, 08:54:37 AM
If you're seeing dogs chasing deer, turn them in!If you see domestic pets chasing deer SHOOT them!
It is too bad people can't think of the animals welfare over their personal gain.... :(
Post by: grundy53 on December 27, 2010, 09:38:29 AM
If you're seeing dogs chasing deer, turn them in!If you see domestic pets chasing deer SHOOT them!
It is too bad people can't think of the animals welfare over their personal gain.... :(
:yeah:
Post by: lokidog on December 27, 2010, 09:46:06 AM
If you're seeing dogs chasing deer, turn them in!If you see domestic pets chasing deer SHOOT them!
It is too bad people can't think of the animals welfare over their personal gain.... :(
:yeah:
I agree, but if on private land you might have some problems....
Post by: throttlejocky20 on December 31, 2010, 02:35:39 PM
Dead dog if I say so my self. I watched my old man let a nice three point mulie go to down the dog that was chasing it.If you're seeing dogs chasing deer, turn them in!If you see domestic pets chasing deer SHOOT them!
It is too bad people can't think of the animals welfare over their personal gain.... :(
:yeah:
I agree, but if on private land you might have some problems....
Post by: shedcrazy on January 04, 2011, 07:31:43 AM
Post by: lokidog on January 05, 2011, 08:24:32 AM
If they didn't find them, someone else will.....
:dunno:
I thnk Muley210 has an issue with when they are "looking" for them not that they are picking sheds up. All sportsman should be more interested in the well-being of the animals, not their personal gain.
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2011, 08:26:12 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 05, 2011, 08:41:14 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 05, 2011, 09:03:27 AM
Post by: bearhunter99 on January 05, 2011, 09:04:06 AM
1. The deer around Wenatchee are dropping. We have picked up three out by the hay pile already, a four point a small two point and a spike. The four point is now bald but haven't found the other side yet.
2. People should be limited as to a season. I have seen way too much abuse of the animals in recent years. Guys chasing the deer, whether on foot or on atv, and waiting for the deer to stop running then chasing them again trying to get them to bound off stiff legged and drop em. Makes me want to put holes in their tires. Wrong time of year to be harassing them.
3. I have dropped a few dogs for chasing wildlife. We have a really bad problem in our area due to the orchards. Every year (and I know this for a fact as I have seen it every year so don't jump all over me for saying this) we have migrant workers who come up for the picking season and get a cute little puppy. In the winter they go back to Mexico and leave the dog here with no access to food so they chase wildlife and go wild.
Also as a reminder to everybody, if you have dogs and you love your dogs, keep em locked up. Especially hunting dogs. I have now seen on two different occasions two nice black labs with orange collars chasing deer. If they didn't have collars they would have been dropped. The second time I saw them I fired a warning shot but hunting dogs are accustomed to hearing gunfire and it did not phase them. I chased them off as far as I could but who knows if they will be back. Three strikes and your out. The next time I see them chasing deer down they might get put to sleep. I know there are a lot of guys out there that are like me so keep your dogs home people. The areas I am seeing these dogs is well over 2 miles from a residence, it is not somebody's back yard.
My :twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2011, 09:18:27 AM
Post by: Antlerking on January 05, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on January 05, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
MS
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 05, 2011, 04:32:43 PM
Shed Freak Frenzy is a direct result of the internet with all the ATL shed pics kindling the fire in the ordinary outdoors-man. :twocents: I've been a victim of the SFF. :chuckle: I can laugh about it because I caught three guys (two occasions) in late March last year on my property stealing the sheds I had placed for landscaping within a stones throw of my house. Yeah, ran right by my no trespassing signs, by my picnic table and bundled up as many sheds as their arms could hold. They left without my sheds and a court date for theft 3rd and trespass 2nd. About two months later all three plead guilty.
I've got something up my sleeve for this years shed season trespassers. 8) I just need to find a way to video it :chuckle:
Post by: shedcrazy on January 05, 2011, 04:40:24 PM
Post by: Lowedog on January 05, 2011, 04:45:56 PM
I've got something up my sleeve for this years shed season trespassers. 8) I just need to find a way to video it :chuckle:
HCH, you can borrow my trailcam that shoots video if you want.
I don't want to speak for Bearhunter99 but I believe he was referring to letting dogs run free as in from your home not saying don't take them shed hunting with you.
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 05, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
I think some of these guys that are out everyday of the week for months might just need to get a job.
Collecting unemployment and picking up sheds all week long. I've meet several of them and it's hard to beat that crowd.
HCH, you can borrow my trailcam that shoots video if you want.
I don't like to borrow, but thanks! And, I feel I would need to trailcam the trailcam!
Post by: shedcrazy on January 05, 2011, 05:10:10 PM
I think some of these guys that are out everyday of the week for months might just need to get a job.
Collecting unemployment and picking up sheds all week long. I've meet several of them and it's hard to beat that crowd.
HCH, you can borrow my trailcam that shoots video if you want.
I don't like to borrow, but thanks! And, I feel I would need to trailcam the trailcam!
When you do concrete work and the ground is frozen, it's a perfect time to gather up those lonely old sheds :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 05, 2011, 05:16:19 PM
BS, you should be out pruning trees! :chuckle: A friend works for a local asphalt company and does the same thing during winter!
Post by: Lowedog on January 05, 2011, 05:24:06 PM
Post by: mountainman1 on January 05, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 05, 2011, 05:32:39 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on January 05, 2011, 05:36:38 PM
Post by: Antlerking on January 05, 2011, 08:39:09 PM
the last thing this state needs is more damn licenses. I'll shed hunt all I want where I'm at. Just try and stop me. Found one today already.
Only 1, hell I have gotten 17 so far on my way to 300 this year. :) On a serious note thoe, I love getting out and hiking expecially with my dog, it awsome to see him work. I also love to share and post pics of the ATL's if that makes a few of you unhappy so be it. The pics do get more folks wanting to go out and try, but that is going to happen anyways and cool beans let others enjoy what I enjoy As far as a season goes, that wont help anything.
But dont worry I will not be out in the feild as much as usuall next year because this year I will be graduating from school and then next year we will be off to another state to start over.
Post by: grundy53 on January 05, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
the last thing this state needs is more damn licenses. I'll shed hunt all I want where I'm at. Just try and stop me. Found one today already.
Only 1, hell I have gotten 17 so far on my way to 300 this year. :) On a serious note thoe, I love getting out and hiking expecially with my dog, it awsome to see him work. I also love to share and post pics of the ATL's if that makes a few of you unhappy so be it. The pics do get more folks wanting to go out and try, but that is going to happen anyways and cool beans let others enjoy what I enjoy As far as a season goes, that wont help anything, that will only allow a few to get more sheds ( entiat locals).
But dont worry I will not be out in the feild as much as usuall next year because this year I will be graduating from school and then next year we will be off to another state to start over.
I will just reiterate that I have nothing against dog out in the field with their owners. I only have problems with dogs out unsupervised chasing deer.
Post by: Shed Stud on January 06, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
Post by: Maverick on January 06, 2011, 11:58:10 AM
Post by: Lowedog on January 06, 2011, 12:17:37 PM
I was pheasant hunting when I stepped on that shed. I got permission to shed hunt on private ground this year that has a big heard of elk that hangs on it all spring :IBCOOL:
Can I go? :chuckle:
I am a contractor, winter is always slow around here. We like it that way. Not working. Not collecting unemployment. Not harrasing Wildlife. Finding sheds! Yes, it will be hard to beat me to the piles of antlers that await me in the upcoming months.
I have already claimed all the antlers that fall on the ground in Chelan County so you guys just find somewhere else to go! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Shed Stud on January 06, 2011, 12:32:39 PM
:bash: :bash: :'(I guess i better gvie up :chuckle:Bet you cant find me!8)I was pheasant hunting when I stepped on that shed. I got permission to shed hunt on private ground this year that has a big heard of elk that hangs on it all spring :IBCOOL:
Can I go? :chuckle:I am a contractor, winter is always slow around here. We like it that way. Not working. Not collecting unemployment. Not harrasing Wildlife. Finding sheds! Yes, it will be hard to beat me to the piles of antlers that await me in the upcoming months.
I have already claimed all the antlers that fall on the ground in Chelan County so you guys just find somewhere else to go! :IBCOOL:
Post by: HornHoarder on January 06, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on January 06, 2011, 07:33:29 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 06, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
Maybe I'm just sensitive about it, but I would not recommend shooting any dogs.
Post by: Lowedog on January 06, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
I'd like to give a serious warning to all who speak of shooting dogs chasing deer. I have had this problem while hunting my own land. I shot a dog chasing deer on my very own property in 2006. The dog and owner were trespassing. I still got in serious trouble. I was charged with 1st degree animal cruelty, a felony charge in superior court. I got convicted of 2nd degree animal cruelty. At least that was a mistameaner. Also cost me about $7,000 for lawyer and fines. Plus I lost hunting rights for two years. It was bulls**t, but apperantly against the law. I'm finally off probation and got my right to hunt restored, but trust me you dont want to find yourself in my situation. Call animal control authorities is all I could recommend. On a lighter note I have already picked up 12 fresh whitetail sheds this season!
WTF!?!? On your own property? And trespassers to boot!? That is complete BS!!!!
Post by: grundy53 on January 06, 2011, 07:52:02 PM
I'd like to give a serious warning to all who speak of shooting dogs chasing deer. I have had this problem while hunting my own land. I shot a dog chasing deer on my very own property in 2006. The dog and owner were trespassing. I still got in serious trouble. I was charged with 1st degree animal cruelty, a felony charge in superior court. I got convicted of 2nd degree animal cruelty. At least that was a mistameaner. Also cost me about $7,000 for lawyer and fines. Plus I lost hunting rights for two years. It was bulls**t, but apperantly against the law. I'm finally off probation and got my right to hunt restored, but trust me you dont want to find yourself in my situation. Call animal control authorities is all I could recommend. On a lighter note I have already picked up 12 fresh whitetail sheds this season!
WTF!?!? On your own property? And trespassers to boot!? That is complete BS!!!!
:yeah:
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 06, 2011, 08:57:15 PM
I'd like to give a serious warning to all who speak of shooting dogs chasing deer. I have had this problem while hunting my own land. I shot a dog chasing deer on my very own property in 2006. The dog and owner were trespassing. I still got in serious trouble. I was charged with 1st degree animal cruelty, a felony charge in superior court. I got convicted of 2nd degree animal cruelty. At least that was a mistameaner. Also cost me about $7,000 for lawyer and fines. Plus I lost hunting rights for two years. It was bulls**t, but apperantly against the law. I'm finally off probation and got my right to hunt restored, but trust me you dont want to find yourself in my situation. Call animal control authorities is all I could recommend. On a lighter note I have already picked up 12 fresh whitetail sheds this season!
Where was your "throw down chicken" ?
RCW 16.08.020
Dogs injuring stock may be killed.
It shall be lawful for any person who shall see any dog or dogs chasing, biting, injuring or killing any sheep, swine or other domestic animal, including poultry, belonging to such person, on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway, to kill such dog or dogs, and it shall be the duty of the owner or keeper of any dog or dogs so found chasing, biting or injuring any domestic animal, including poultry, upon being notified of that fact by the owner of such domestic animals or poultry, to thereafter keep such dog or dogs in leash or confined upon the premises of the owner or keeper thereof, and in case any such owner or keeper of a dog or dogs shall fail or neglect to comply with the provisions of this section, it shall be lawful for the owner of such domestic animals or poultry to kill such dog or dogs found running at large.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 07, 2011, 08:25:36 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 07, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
but shooting them is not the right thing to do.
Sorry to hear about your bullsh*t loss, but in most cases with those of us that are in the field all the time, killing them IS the right thing to do.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 07, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: PolarBear on January 07, 2011, 10:49:46 AM
Post by: shedcrazy on January 07, 2011, 10:51:22 AM
Post by: PolarBear on January 07, 2011, 10:52:07 AM
Well said, Lokidog. Unfortunately it seems that these days greed is taking over for some.:yeah:
Not only in shed hunting but the pursuit of all big game.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on January 07, 2011, 11:58:14 AM
I disagree. I'm in the field all the time and I have seen deer being chased by dogs. It sucks that the owners don't break their dogs to deer, but that's life...and lots of things suck in life that we have to deal with. My rationale to the whole wildlife harassment by dogs argument has to do with my hunting dogs (bird dogs and hounds) that chase wildlife and harass them for a job. What's to stop some d-bag from shooting my hounds off a tree with a lion or a coon in it? I like my dogs, I try to keep them straight, but even with proper training and shock collars ect. dogs will sometimes trash on game. If someone shot my dog (no matter what it was chasing (excluding livestock)) they would have a fight on their hands right then and there. :twocents:
My thoughts as well. I keep my dogs on leash ALL of the time when shed hunting. If one of them broke the leash, or escaped for some other strange reason, chased a deer and got shot… the shooter would have problems. I like my dogs, they’re pretty much family.
Any of you ever run after deer when you were a kid? I sure did. I know it’s a lot different but think about it.
I’m all for keeping pets under control but a guy has to use his head too.
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2011, 12:01:36 PM
:yeah:but shooting them is not the right thing to do.
Sorry to hear about your bullsh*t loss, but in most cases with those of us that are in the field all the time, killing them IS the right thing to do.
Post by: MtnMuley on January 07, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
Post by: PolarBear on January 07, 2011, 12:51:25 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 07, 2011, 01:17:45 PM
I disagree. I'm in the field all the time and I have seen deer being chased by dogs. It sucks that the owners don't break their dogs to deer, but that's life...and lots of things suck in life that we have to deal with. My rationale to the whole wildlife harassment by dogs argument has to do with my hunting dogs (bird dogs and hounds) that chase wildlife and harass them for a job. What's to stop some d-bag from shooting my hounds off a tree with a lion or a coon in it? I like my dogs, I try to keep them straight, but even with proper training and shock collars ect. dogs will sometimes trash on game. If someone shot my dog (no matter what it was chasing (excluding livestock)) they would have a fight on their hands right then and there. :twocents:
I have to agree with WAcoyotehunter. Our good hounds are worth $5000+ and hard to replace even at that price. If someone destroys something of yours that is worth that much, wouldn't you want to do something about it. People have a tendancy to see a dog in the woods and assume it's chasing deer, what if it's actually on a cougar track or chasing coons? WAcoyotehunter is also correct that it is illegal to shoot dogs unless they are destroying your property. There is also a law on the books making it illegal to shoot dogs.
Another point some of you are missing is that some shed hunters have dogs trained to find horns, it works great. Now imagine if you shoot that guys dog.... :dunno:
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2011, 01:38:22 PM
I disagree. I'm in the field all the time and I have seen deer being chased by dogs. It sucks that the owners don't break their dogs to deer, but that's life...and lots of things suck in life that we have to deal with. My rationale to the whole wildlife harassment by dogs argument has to do with my hunting dogs (bird dogs and hounds) that chase wildlife and harass them for a job. What's to stop some d-bag from shooting my hounds off a tree with a lion or a coon in it? I like my dogs, I try to keep them straight, but even with proper training and shock collars ect. dogs will sometimes trash on game. If someone shot my dog (no matter what it was chasing (excluding livestock)) they would have a fight on their hands right then and there. :twocents:
I have to agree with WAcoyotehunter. Our good hounds are worth $5000+ and hard to replace even at that price. If someone destroys something of yours that is worth that much, wouldn't you want to do something about it. People have a tendancy to see a dog in the woods and assume it's chasing deer, what if it's actually on a cougar track or chasing coons? WAcoyotehunter is also correct that it is illegal to shoot dogs unless they are destroying your property. There is also a law on the books making it illegal to shoot dogs.
Another point some of you are missing is that some shed hunters have dogs trained to find horns, it works great. Now imagine if you shoot that guys dog.... :dunno:
I'm not advocating going around shooting dogs in the woods. I'm talking about when you catch a dog actively persuing a deer or elk. I.E it's right on the deers ass running it down. In my opinion it is not the shooter who is to blame then but the dog owner. Also you guy's bring up that it's illegal to shoot a dog well it's also illegal to let your dog chase deer or elk. I happen to love dogs and would not take any pleasure in doing it but i would feel that i had to do it. just my :twocents:
Post by: shedcrazy on January 07, 2011, 02:27:02 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2011, 02:30:02 PM
How many of you are on the wetside?? Their must be a big problem with dogs chasing around the blacktails??? :chuckle: :chuckle:
I am but i hunt both sides and my free time is split between my hunting grounds over here and over there.
Post by: huntnnw on January 07, 2011, 11:00:48 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on January 07, 2011, 11:03:36 PM
Post by: huntnnw on January 08, 2011, 12:25:55 AM
Post by: Lowedog on January 08, 2011, 08:30:49 AM
if a dog is chasing deer, elk or moose u can kill it!
Just in case you missed these posts....
quote author=HardCorpsHuntr link=topic=64919.msg824660#msg824660 date=1294376235]
I'd like to give a serious warning to all who speak of shooting dogs chasing deer. I have had this problem while hunting my own land. I shot a dog chasing deer on my very own property in 2006. The dog and owner were trespassing. I still got in serious trouble. I was charged with 1st degree animal cruelty, a felony charge in superior court. I got convicted of 2nd degree animal cruelty. At least that was a mistameaner. Also cost me about $7,000 for lawyer and fines. Plus I lost hunting rights for two years. It was bulls**t, but apperantly against the law. I'm finally off probation and got my right to hunt restored, but trust me you dont want to find yourself in my situation. Call animal control authorities is all I could recommend. On a lighter note I have already picked up 12 fresh whitetail sheds this season!
Where was your "throw down chicken" ?
RCW 16.08.020
Dogs injuring stock may be killed.
It shall be lawful for any person who shall see any dog or dogs chasing, biting, injuring or killing any sheep, swine or other domestic animal, including poultry, belonging to such person, on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway, to kill such dog or dogs, and it shall be the duty of the owner or keeper of any dog or dogs so found chasing, biting or injuring any domestic animal, including poultry, upon being notified of that fact by the owner of such domestic animals or poultry, to thereafter keep such dog or dogs in leash or confined upon the premises of the owner or keeper thereof, and in case any such owner or keeper of a dog or dogs shall fail or neglect to comply with the provisions of this section, it shall be lawful for the owner of such domestic animals or poultry to kill such dog or dogs found running at large.
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whats funny is people get all riled up over shed hunters, what about all the other user groups that play in the outdoors? they have no clue. If your going to stop shed hunters, better tell people they cant sno shoe, hike,cross country ski, snomobile etc
I think some areas need to be closed to snowmobiles but I agree you can't keep every body off of public land. I run into a lot of people who are just out hiking.
I got one of my best sets from a guy I met on the hill. He had this big set in his hands and said he just stumbled across them and never knew deer shed their antlers. I offered him $20 and he laughed and said I should have offered $5! :chuckle:
Post by: shedcrazy on January 08, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 08, 2011, 08:18:41 PM
I hope everybody doesn't get me wrong, I hate deer chasing dogs as bad as anyone. But it's dangerous when eveyone gets wound up about shooting dogs that they THINK are chasing deer.
Dogs chasing deer is a serious problem in NE Washington too. When we were having our meetings on how to deal with the lower deer numbers that is one of the issues we discussed and there are no easy answers. The biggest problem is that half the people who live in the country have dogs running loose and have no idea what those dogs are doing most of the time.
Back to topic. I still hate to see you shed hunters discussing putting more restrictions on yourselves. There are enough laws on the books. And I definitely agree, shed hunters are only a small token of winter disturbances for deer. There are a lot more snowmobilers, skiers, hikers, etc. than shed hunters. Wait till the wolves are hunting them all winter in your favorite shed areas!!! :yike:
Post by: shedcrazy on January 08, 2011, 09:00:08 PM
Thanks for digging that info up Lowedog.
I hope everybody doesn't get me wrong, I hate deer chasing dogs as bad as anyone. But it's dangerous when eveyone gets wound up about shooting dogs that they THINK are chasing deer.
Dogs chasing deer is a serious problem in NE Washington too. When we were having our meetings on how to deal with the lower deer numbers that is one of the issues we discussed and there are no easy answers. The biggest problem is that half the people who live in the country have dogs running loose and have no idea what those dogs are doing most of the time.
Back to topic. I still hate to see you shed hunters discussing putting more restrictions on yourselves. There are enough laws on the books. And I definitely agree, shed hunters are only a small token of winter disturbances for deer. There are a lot more snowmobilers, skiers, hikers, etc. than shed hunters. Wait till the wolves are hunting them all winter in your favorite shed areas!!! :yike:
Well said!!!
Post by: bearpaw on January 08, 2011, 10:23:20 PM
As with most things, the problems can most likely be dealt with using laws already on the books. :twocents:
I for one can not fathom the idea of charging a fee for someone to pick up antlers. :bash: