Post by: hirshey on January 14, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
Thanks,
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe33%2Fhirshey27%2FCount_em2.jpg&hash=048dcfa83dcd8d843277e799202444f943d7f858)
Post by: Antlerking on January 14, 2011, 06:15:08 PM
Post by: Kain on January 14, 2011, 06:20:21 PM
Post by: mulehunter on January 14, 2011, 06:26:02 PM
Mulehunter
Post by: jager on January 14, 2011, 06:26:14 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 14, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 14, 2011, 06:36:04 PM
Not sure where Palisades is, but that was not what was listed in the original emails.
I am surprised it took this long to make it online.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 14, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2011, 06:42:24 PM
Post by: mulehunter on January 14, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
It better be managed.
Mulehunter.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 14, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
Hope game/fish know about this area. I wonder how many deer killed by 8 cats per month. :yike:
It better be managed.
Mulehunter.
Yes, they know.
Post by: cmiller85 on January 14, 2011, 06:54:26 PM
Post by: Kain on January 14, 2011, 07:01:24 PM
Lots of people talk about how solitary cougars are but I dont believe they would have developed such a large vocabulary of vocalizations if that was always the case.
Independent-yes. Solitary-not always
Just my opinion.
Post by: Kain on January 14, 2011, 07:13:22 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63836.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63836.0.html)
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 14, 2011, 07:46:17 PM
Post by: mulehunter on January 14, 2011, 07:51:27 PM
Here is some info I found that shows the possibility of having really dense cougar populations.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63836.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63836.0.html)
Wow nice infos. Thanks for post. It makes me want leave tonight to my area and chase more. But I am stuck with my daugther. I haven't spend one weekend with my family since dec 1. I definely will go back again soon.
Mulehunter. ;)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 14, 2011, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on January 14, 2011, 08:31:21 PM
im not 100% sure that this is a real pic, if it isnt i want the name of the guy that shopped it so he can do some work on my 2010 bear pics :chuckle:
i know for sure that there is a cat problem in NCW ive seen 3 in the last year and cut several tracks, too bad im not living in WA anymore to help solve the problem
Post by: MuleySniper on January 14, 2011, 08:41:21 PM
MS
Post by: ICEMAN on January 14, 2011, 08:51:07 PM
Post by: 400out on January 14, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 14, 2011, 09:38:10 PM
Want the truth. Call the WDFW in Ephrata and find out. I do not believe this at all. It's just like the guy that killed that HUGE cougar near Stevens Pass, not true.
Campmeat, we have a cabin just up the road from you off of Nicholson Creek. Couple years back a guy had a big cougar that he said was running with 5 others up on the ridge. Up to that point I thought they were a pretty solitary animal too.
I've lived here for 10 years and have seen 15 cougars. I hunt all the time and always hear stories about cougars. Nobody ever has a picture of a cat, never. You hear of the 1 on Sherman or some other place. We had a story 2 weeks ago about a cougar dragging a 110# dog off a porch on Long Alec Rd. Well guess what, B.S. It was a dog chasing deer that got shot by the neighbor. I'm just skeptical at these stories. To much internet doctoring of pictures or anything.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 14, 2011, 09:41:06 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on January 14, 2011, 09:42:18 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 14, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
Post by: grundy53 on January 14, 2011, 09:50:50 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
Post by: bearpaw on January 14, 2011, 09:52:48 PM
This year there was a group of 3 or 4 cougar working an area for the last couple weeks (not sure, too many tracks), they are all hunting together in Ferry county. Brian cut the tracks the first time and one track appeared to be a young tom but we decided to leave them be. Brian told another dogger about them and he went and ran them and got his dogs tore up, the cats nearly killed one dog and at the vets office he said he had to chase the cat off his dog.
In 1996 my hunting partner turned loose on a group of three cats, one was a large tom. His 2 best dogs were killed and a third dog survived a bad bite to the head, but was never the same.
In about 1988ish I turned 3 dogs loose on two cats traveling together, a tom and female. One dog got sidetracked on a bobcat, but the other two dogs went through on the cougar tracks, both were killed with one bite to the head, crushed their skulls.
It is a terrible thing to lose a good dog, much less two or three dogs at once. If any dogger encounters multiple cats hunting together it is my advice you either walk away or turn a lot of dogs loose on the tracks so they can protect each other, and even then you are tossing a coin in the air for their survival. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on January 14, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
Not a fair question- he said he's had six beers. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on January 14, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
Not a fair question- he said he's had six beers. :chuckle:
Lol. your right. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on January 14, 2011, 10:07:26 PM
Maybe one of them did this :dunno:
Does look like that pig of a buck narrowly escaped a cat.... ;)
Post by: Lowedog on January 14, 2011, 10:48:58 PM
I imagine this is a real photo. On numerous occasions I have run across family groups of cougar hunting together in an area. The most I have seen together was a group of 6 in Ferry County many years ago. I did not turn loose on them.
This year there was a group of 3 or 4 cougar working an area for the last couple weeks (not sure, too many tracks), they are all hunting together in Ferry county. Brian cut the tracks the first time and one track appeared to be a young tom but we decided to leave them be. Brian told another dogger about them and he went and ran them and got his dogs tore up, the cats nearly killed one dog and at the vets office he said he had to chase the cat off his dog.
In 1996 my hunting partner turned loose on a group of three cats, one was a large tom. His 2 best dogs were killed and a third dog survived a bad bite to the head, but was never the same.
In about 1988ish I turned 3 dogs loose on two cats traveling together, a tom and female. One dog got sidetracked on a bobcat, but the other two dogs went through on the cougar tracks, both were killed with one bite to the head, crushed their skulls.
It is a terrible thing to lose a good dog, much less two or three dogs at once. If any dogger encounters multiple cats hunting together it is my advice you either walk away or turn a lot of dogs loose on the tracks so they can protect each other, and even then you are tossing a coin in the air for their survival. :twocents:
I have often wondered why a big tom doesn't tear into dogs when being chased. When there is more than one cat do they just feel more confident about fighting?
Post by: bearpaw on January 14, 2011, 10:50:41 PM
I imagine this is a real photo. On numerous occasions I have run across family groups of cougar hunting together in an area. The most I have seen together was a group of 6 in Ferry County many years ago. I did not turn loose on them.
This year there was a group of 3 or 4 cougar working an area for the last couple weeks (not sure, too many tracks), they are all hunting together in Ferry county. Brian cut the tracks the first time and one track appeared to be a young tom but we decided to leave them be. Brian told another dogger about them and he went and ran them and got his dogs tore up, the cats nearly killed one dog and at the vets office he said he had to chase the cat off his dog.
In 1996 my hunting partner turned loose on a group of three cats, one was a large tom. His 2 best dogs were killed and a third dog survived a bad bite to the head, but was never the same.
In about 1988ish I turned 3 dogs loose on two cats traveling together, a tom and female. One dog got sidetracked on a bobcat, but the other two dogs went through on the cougar tracks, both were killed with one bite to the head, crushed their skulls.
It is a terrible thing to lose a good dog, much less two or three dogs at once. If any dogger encounters multiple cats hunting together it is my advice you either walk away or turn a lot of dogs loose on the tracks so they can protect each other, and even then you are tossing a coin in the air for their survival. :twocents:
Interesting. I always thought they were somewhat solitary. I was surprised when the guy who shot one by our cabin was warning us that there were 5 others together. Sounds like this isn't all that rare.
The norm is that an adult cat is solitary. However a female will have her kittens hunting with her so they learn how to survive until they are 1 to 2 years old. Also when a female comes in heat, a tom will travel and hunt with her for a week or two while he is breeding her.
Post by: bearpaw on January 14, 2011, 10:57:55 PM
I imagine this is a real photo. On numerous occasions I have run across family groups of cougar hunting together in an area. The most I have seen together was a group of 6 in Ferry County many years ago. I did not turn loose on them.
This year there was a group of 3 or 4 cougar working an area for the last couple weeks (not sure, too many tracks), they are all hunting together in Ferry county. Brian cut the tracks the first time and one track appeared to be a young tom but we decided to leave them be. Brian told another dogger about them and he went and ran them and got his dogs tore up, the cats nearly killed one dog and at the vets office he said he had to chase the cat off his dog.
In 1996 my hunting partner turned loose on a group of three cats, one was a large tom. His 2 best dogs were killed and a third dog survived a bad bite to the head, but was never the same.
In about 1988ish I turned 3 dogs loose on two cats traveling together, a tom and female. One dog got sidetracked on a bobcat, but the other two dogs went through on the cougar tracks, both were killed with one bite to the head, crushed their skulls.
It is a terrible thing to lose a good dog, much less two or three dogs at once. If any dogger encounters multiple cats hunting together it is my advice you either walk away or turn a lot of dogs loose on the tracks so they can protect each other, and even then you are tossing a coin in the air for their survival. :twocents:
I have often wondered why a big tom doesn't tear into dogs when being chased. When there is more than one cat do they just feel more confident about fighting?
On occasion a big tom (especially) may turn on a dog. A couple times through the years we have had dogs killed and eaten by a lone tom just like he would make a deer kill. In those cases it involved one dog that inadvertedly ended up alone. It was obvious the particular cat had no fear of the dog and killed it for food.
On the other occasions I mentioned, it was ovbvious the cat was pissed at the dogs and killed them for that reason, nothing was eaten, they were just bit in the head and left. I have actually chased more bear than cats, but cats are far more dangerous than bear. Only had 3 dogs killed by bear that I can think of right now and there have been about 8 dogs killed by cougar that I can think of right away.
Post by: Kain on January 14, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 14, 2011, 11:32:08 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 14, 2011, 11:39:57 PM
Is it possible that back when hound hunting was allowed state wide most cats had a fear of dogs because more than likely they had been chased sometime in their lives. Now Im sure there are so many cats (most) that have never been chased and might not have a fear of dogs at all. :dunno:
Most of our dogs have been killed after they started the permit system in about 86 or 87.
Cats get hunted a lot more in Idaho, lots of hounders over there. I have yet to have a dog killed there by a cat. Another thing, a lot more of those cats jump and take off when they see humans coming, I think they are more afraid of dogs and people from being hunted more.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 15, 2011, 05:50:39 AM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
:yeah:
Post by: rasbo on January 15, 2011, 07:01:41 AM
ol Jay C Bruce used to bring in some airedales when cats started slashing up his hounds.Boy that guy has chased some cats back in the day...Good read if ya can find the book..Cougar killer...Is it possible that back when hound hunting was allowed state wide most cats had a fear of dogs because more than likely they had been chased sometime in their lives. Now Im sure there are so many cats (most) that have never been chased and might not have a fear of dogs at all. :dunno:
Most of our dogs have been killed after they started the permit system in about 86 or 87.
Cats get hunted a lot more in Idaho, lots of hounders over there. I have yet to have a dog killed there by a cat. Another thing, a lot more of those cats jump and take off when they see humans coming, I think they are more afraid of dogs and people from being hunted more.
Post by: fishnate on January 15, 2011, 07:45:04 AM
Post by: 400out on January 15, 2011, 09:02:19 AM
Post by: grundy53 on January 15, 2011, 09:53:37 AM
It looks like a great place for a land mine ;)
:yeah:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2011, 10:16:51 AM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
I never said that picture was doctored. I said "there are too many pictures doctored on the internet ". Some of you guys need to learn how to read. I do not believe that is true about those cats being there, that's all.
Post by: Idabooner on January 15, 2011, 11:06:46 AM
Post by: hirshey on January 15, 2011, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on January 15, 2011, 12:31:26 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on January 15, 2011, 12:53:19 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 15, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
I never said that picture was doctored. I said "there are too many pictures doctored on the internet ". Some of you guys need to learn how to read. I do not believe that is true about those cats being there, that's all.
I don't think people need to learn how to read.
You inferred that the pic and or location was not legit.
We were wondering why?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
No doctoring on the original pic in this thread.
Didn't say there was.
I'm confused... you think it's a b.s pic but you don't think it's doctored? What do you think exactly?
I never said that picture was doctored. I said "there are too many pictures doctored on the internet ". Some of you guys need to learn how to read. I do not believe that is true about those cats being there, that's all.
I don't think people need to learn how to read.
You inferred that the pic and or location was not legit.
We were wondering why?
Have all of you guys been there ? I have and it's just a place that seems unlikely to have that many cats at one gathering. As for the reading part, take a look at the girl that got pulled over for DUI last night. Wasn't drunk but everybody kept on ragging about it. They didn't read the story correctly as far as I'm concerned. People read into things for their own agenda, to make/start arguments etc. :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on January 15, 2011, 04:54:46 PM
Post by: CountryslickR on January 15, 2011, 04:57:20 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2011, 05:12:37 PM
If you have been to that area you would know that the deer are sooo thick you can only drive about 15 mph in the evenings....it is a perfect place for a bunch of cats to hang with all the food....lots of food for the deer (fields) makes easy pickins for the cats...why would they not be in that area?
Personally, I'm tired of you guys giving me *censored*, so shove it.
Post by: bobcat on January 15, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
If you have been to that area you would know that the deer are sooo thick you can only drive about 15 mph in the evenings....it is a perfect place for a bunch of cats to hang with all the food....lots of food for the deer (fields) makes easy pickins for the cats...why would they not be in that area?
Personally, I'm tired of you guys giving me *censored*, so shove it.
Gee- talk about people needing to learn how to read. :dunno:
Post by: 509er on January 15, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
Post by: denali on January 15, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
Post by: Everett on January 15, 2011, 08:17:28 PM
"Personally, I'm tired of you guys giving me *censored*, so shove it."
:chuckle: That is pretty freakin' funny.
I think the picture is real. I don't see the point in someone doctoring a trail camera picture. I mean, how would that benefit someone at all. I don't know why there are that many cougars together like that, but I'm guessing it has to do with food, mating, weather conditions, something like that. I think they do Wildlife Studies at WSU and they might be interested in looking at that picture. I've read some studies from there about Turkeys and Elk on the Eastside. So, if this really is a rare thing, which I'm guessing it is, they might be able to explain why. I just hope they don't start hunting in packs that size, or I'm screwed. :yike:
Post by: CountryslickR on January 16, 2011, 02:00:15 PM
If you have been to that area you would know that the deer are sooo thick you can only drive about 15 mph in the evenings....it is a perfect place for a bunch of cats to hang with all the food....lots of food for the deer (fields) makes easy pickins for the cats...why would they not be in that area?
Personally, I'm tired of you guys giving me *censored*, so shove it.
wow...
Post by: time2hunt on January 16, 2011, 08:04:41 PM
Post by: videoman on January 17, 2011, 02:44:59 PM
Post by: 724wd on January 17, 2011, 09:57:10 PM