Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 12:04:15 AM
To my question.........?
So if there was something that you could put in your gas tank, add to your oil, add to your transmission fluid (some kind of chemical) that would improve your gas mileage and help your vehicle run better, That lessons emissions, EPA certified and save you lots of money, but was initially kind of pricey would you be willing to try it or even continue using it?
Im not talking if it might, im talking if it does 100% do as i say, would you try or use it...?
Post by: KillBilly on April 30, 2008, 04:06:20 AM
Post by: Head-shot on April 30, 2008, 06:48:55 AM
I've been looking at it and studying the pro vs. cons about it. It looks like a pretty good thin but I wonder how long before the oil companies try to wipe it out.
Here are a few of the many sites that talk about this technology
http://www.watertogas.com/
http://www.driveonwater.com/
http://www.driveonwater.com/
http://convertwatertogas.com/Run-Your-Car-On-Water.php?bid_keyword=drive%20water&gclid=CIDOnuP1gpMCFSouagodeT-yew
http://www.drivewater.com/?hop=johnaxe&gclid=CLjwv__1gpMCFRa8iQodqnJswg
Is this what your talking about Jay?
Hope this helps
Post by: ICEMAN on April 30, 2008, 06:57:03 AM
Save your money IMHO.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 08:04:54 AM
No head-shot those arent it, and i have heard the same scam thing about those names, so i am not ill advised to trying it.
I am talking about a company that has started in california due to all of the emissions problems they have, and found out that one product will work in every fluid that is a lubricating or fuel fluid in your vehicle.
This is why i am not mentioning a name about it yet, because i am not sure.....but so far it took my jeep grand cherokee and increased the gas mileage by about 75 miles to a tank.....but it is in the cleaning process still so i still have to wait and see what it does in the next few tanks.......
If you are sincerely interested and want t know more, the company wants me to be a distributor of this stuff, i am still not sure but if you are interested in what this product can do PM me and i will send you some more info....
Post by: huntingnut on April 30, 2008, 08:40:21 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 08:54:09 AM
Do they state anything about not voiding a warranty? I just traded my truck in on an Outback because of gas prices. That doubled my mileage, but always considering anything to get more.
NO IT WILL NOT VOID YOUR WARRENTY......!and all that PM me will be notified as soon as i finish my test...
they are also claiming that this stuff will also completely replace 2 cycle oil.......1 ounce of product per 5 gallons of use in 2 cycle engines.....1 ounce of product per 10 gallons of fuel in your vehicle.
this product comes in 16ounce(29.95) so treat 160 gallons of fuel, 32 ounce(49.95) treats 320 gallons of fuel, and gallon(not sure, but the more you buy the more you save)....but like stated before, it is a bit pricy. but over time will prove to pay for itself.......but from what i have seen and used it with has proven to be true so far......
for people out there that use expensive synthetic oils, or other additives, wether you use a diesal addative or something like lucas...you no longer have to....this one product should hopefully replace everything.......
Here is some more technical info on this product, the chemical is a unique combination of high-quality, non-toxic, specially designed esters that uses only the elements of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. It significantly reduces emissions, fuel consumption, and engine maintenance costs. This chemical provides an immediate, cost-effective strategy for fighting air pollution caused by fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine. This combination of low molecular cleaning esters and the high molecular lubricating esters, reformulates any fuel whether it’s gasoline, diesel, methanol, ethanol, LNG, compressed natural gas or bio-diesel. When blended with fuels, this chemical reduces the emissions of hydrocarbons (HC), nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), particulate matter (PM) and other harmful products of combustion. Yet, the emission of O2 is significantly increased. An EPA registered laboratory, confirms that this chemical is 99.99976% clean upon ignition and ashless upon combustion. This Chemical is free of carcinogens. And has a flash point higher than water itself.....
This chemical is a light colored, multi-functional fuel reformulator. It is designed for use in all
fuels to increase power and mileage, dissolve gums and varnishes, lubricate upper cylinder
components and keep the entire fuel system clean and highly lubricated. It is recommended for
use at 1 part in 1280, which is equal to 1 fluid ounce of of this chemical per 10 gallons of fuel.
and there main focus is trying to get large companys who are burning through tons of gas every day to use this stuff........Because ultimately it is better for your vehicle, and will save you money in the long run, by increasing your fuel efficiancy from 7% to 20% by improving the way you burn it. By burning it more completely......
let me know what you all think........
Post by: robodad on April 30, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
Post by: EMPyre on April 30, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
1) The dilution ratio of 1:1280 hardly seems capable of significantly altering the chemical make-up or molecular chain of any refined hydrocarbon. At that ratio even water will pass through you system unnoticed.
2) Esters are in fact acids, and I find it difficult to believe that it has no health hazards (non-toxic) associated with it.
3) Esters are in fact made of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. So are petroleum products, which are hydrocarbons. The combustion of which in the atmosphere results in the oxidation (combining with oxygen) of carbon, or nitrogen, or sulfur.
4) The only way to improve mileage for a given volume of fuel is to increase the energy density of said fuel. I doubt very much that it is possible to do so at the mentioned ratio. The energy density of gasoline is one one the highest known, that's why it is such a great fuel. Hydrogen has more by mass, by has storage issues at pressures capable of matching mass with gasoline.
5) Fuel combustion in modern internal combustion engines is very complete. In regards to gasoline the fuel ratio is 14.7:1, air to fuel. This will vary some as atmospheric conditions, altitude, and driving style vary, but all OBD2 vehicles (post 1996) constantly adjust the air:fuel ratio, that's the purpose of the oxygen sensor on the exhaust stream.
6) Internal combustion drive trains typically see an overall system efficiency of closer to 60% when the heat loss, mechanical friction, and work output are all factored. The ONLY way to improve this is to improve the system. Improve the friction, turn the lost heat into usable energy, reduce weight of the vehicle and such.
This all comes down to a primary governing law of thermodynamics, which is one of three laws that is primary to physics and governs all of the universe. This las is expressed in the energy balance equation, which simply states Ein=Eout. Energy in MUST equal energy out. The science just isn't there in my opinion, I'd like to see an independent study, not just the back panel label.
Post by: EMPyre on April 30, 2008, 09:37:10 AM
Post by: robodad on April 30, 2008, 09:42:34 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 09:49:12 AM
if you are interested further please let me know, but here is a better website to get your facts and info....
http://main.forearthonline.com/
this stuff is EPA certified and has been proven to be non-toxic and is safe to eat......
please if you all dont believe it then look at the media stuff and the product information.......
if you dont want to go there but are still interested in the info, then let me know.
Post by: EMPyre on April 30, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Post by: robodad on April 30, 2008, 10:23:21 AM
Post by: zackmioli on April 30, 2008, 10:37:48 AM
Post by: EMPyre on April 30, 2008, 11:44:21 AM
Post by: Alchase on April 30, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
Benefits
Non-toxic and non-hazardous.
Increases fuel economy.
Reduces toxic emissions.
Burns 99.9-9% clean.
Reduces heat and friction.
Works in any internal combustion engine.
Cleans and lubricates engine parts.
Safe for the environment.
Easy to use.
Fill your tank less frequently.
Improves your vehicle performance.
Works with any fuel.
Less maintenance costs.
100% natural and biodegradable
Sorry this sounds like a scam. The only parts fuel touch are The fuel pump, injectors, and combustion chamber so what is being lubricated if it burns 99.9% clean?
Google the product and you get 30 plus sites trying to sell you a distributorships.
Post by: EMPyre on April 30, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 02:03:17 PM
No offense CoastHunter, but if the product did what it claims it would be headline news across the world.
Thats because it is new and will be soon.they just finished the comercials for it and they are going to start shooting them on TV at the indy 500 in late may....so heads up, this is me being a good guy and telling all of you about something that works.
Sorry this sounds like a scam. The only parts fuel touch are The fuel pump, injectors, and combustion chamber so what is being lubricated if it burns 99.9% clean?Thats because you dont only use it in your fuel.......use it in fuel, oil, transmission.....replaces 2 cycle oil....and unlike oil thast coats a surface of a product allowing a cooler surface friction, this stuff actually penetrates the items it touchhs after it cleans them, and elimates alot of things that oils dont do......
And all this on a small scale.......like i said i was scepticle but have tried it and so far from what my jeep tells me is that i am getting over 75 miles to a tank more in gas by using this stuff, and my temerature gauge is slightly lower....telling me that my engine is running at a lower temperature, which is very good for a vehicle.....
But i am not trying to sell this to you.....just interested in the comments you all make on it.......needed a bunch of sceptics....got them here,,,,, :chuckle:
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
and again if anyone else is at all interested in this go ahead and PM me and i will get you all the info you need....
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2008, 05:23:35 PM
just ask me, cuz i know, it's happened before.
if you have a lift kit and big tires on your super duty and you bust a u-joint, it ain't gonna be warranty. same sort of thing.
i don't buy it.
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2008, 05:24:39 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 05:48:40 PM
if you have repetitive issues with a fuel injector and the factory decides to take a fuel sample and they find wierd stuff of any kind in your fuel, they will void your warranty on your injectors.
just ask me, cuz i know, it's happened before.
if you have a lift kit and big tires on your super duty and you bust a u-joint, it ain't gonna be warranty. same sort of thing.
i don't buy it.
WILL NOT 100% VOID ANY WARRENTY AT ALL!!!!
look at the website thats all im saying........
Post by: jackelope on April 30, 2008, 07:35:15 PM
thats all i'm saying.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 30, 2008, 09:13:04 PM
at the dealer(i work there for a long time) if there is something hokey in your fuel and you are having injector issues(for example) i will not replace injectors under warranty.
thats all i'm saying.
I will get you more info to prove it wont void your warrenty.........but good question jackelope.....keep the hard ones comming like that!
Post by: quacker whacker on May 01, 2008, 07:42:57 AM
Post by: Slenk on May 01, 2008, 07:54:08 AM
Slenk
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 09:37:56 AM
It pretty much just reforms the way your fuel is burned and adds lubrication to your vehicle at the same way....
by reforming the fuel, by burning it more completely....so insted of your vehicle burning a lower percent of the fuel that goes through your engine. The ETHOS FR makes the fuel burn more completely, and by adding cleaners and lubrication all at once, you burn it at a less heat, more of it, which means increased HP, Increased fuel mileage, decreased emmisions, decreased Co2(usually decreased to zero), and increased lubricating which means less friction, less heat, less wear and tear on the vehicles important running parts.....but if you dont want any of that, thats OK... :)
But again i thought that since you all are my friends that i would share it with you, not to tell you all about it and tell me that it is a sham, a fake, or skam.......
I didnt believe it at first either, but still tried it because i wanted it to be wrong, i wanted to prove my friend wrong.....i looked like an idoit doing it because it just made me look foolish.......IT WORKS!
as for wether you care, oh well......just thought some of you weekend warriors who go shed hunting, turkey hunting, or travel long distances to go hunting, might like an alternative solution......if you want more info and are interested just PM me.......thats all.....
Your friend, AJ
Post by: Alchase on May 01, 2008, 02:39:59 PM
Not one has ever been proved to be truthful or functional as advertised. So take my experience as you will but my 30 + years of hearing the same claims over and over makes me 100% skeptical.
You want an example just ask a group of your friends if they believe running higher octane gas in a normal car increases performance.
Most will tell you they think this true. then google what octane really means. In laymans terms "it stops knocking (ping) or pre-detination.
All I am saying is if it sounds to good, it probably is and follow the science.
Post by: KillBilly on May 01, 2008, 06:08:05 PM
It's all ours..... don't share it with the skeptics...... :IBCOOL:
Post by: boneaddict on May 01, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
Just kidding. Sounds like one of these fat burning diet pills to me........I think Slenk nailed it on the head, and Coast, Jack isn't kidding abouthte warranty. VOID
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 09:57:37 PM
AJ, don't let em get you down. We'll just be the ones getting better performance, cleaner burn, and better mileage.
It's all ours..... don't share it with the skeptics...... :IBCOOL:
You are correct killbilly, we will be and i am...........atleast we are and were willing to try it, so we could see if it was a fake, or some kind of skam, like all those stupid diet pills, or other name products..........
ALCHASE, i am an Aviation Maintanace Technician(work on Helicopter jet engines) also a Hazmat Cordinator(I know where alot of chemicals stand farther than one wants to even understand or go into depths of explaining) , trust me i understand what lubricants, additives, ETC. and what all the crap and talk is of products that are out there........You could say i am overly educated when it comes to using chemicals and other compounds......But you are probably right, it probably doesnt work? ? ?
Except the fact that i tried it, and the difference is NOTICABLE, i have tried it several times, both my vehicles have close to 100,000 miles on them anyways, and im not worried about voiding any warrenty. Even though it wont(which i am getting more literature on)...and higher gas mileage, car is running cooler, and it sounds better.......and ultimately my vehicle will last longer because it is wearing down less......
funny thing is i just ran it tonight in my 31cc Ryobi weedwacker and in my mid 1970's Promac 60/ 63cc Mculloch Chain saw, with only 5 gallons of gas, and 1 ounce of ETHOS FR and ran it bone dry twice and it was running better than with a 2 cycle oil mix......didnt even use a 2 cycle oil in with it.....only fuel and ETHOS.
But KillBilly you are correct.......i dont have to share any of this info with my friends if they dont believe me.....I WAS JUST TRYING TO LET YOU ALL IN ON SOMETHING THAT FOR ONCE IN A MILLION YEARS ACTUALLY DOES WHAT IT SAYS IT DOES.........
THANKS KILLBILLY!
Post by: jimkirk on May 01, 2008, 10:06:47 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 10:09:09 PM
Post by: Head-shot on May 01, 2008, 10:11:33 PM
Ive recently been looking into doing a propane conversion. anybody ever tried it. propane is around 2.89 a gal. conversion price for a fuel injected vehicle is 1200-1800 bucks. a carberated version for several hundred. anyone ever run a propane rig?
We had a few of them in the military, Chevy vans I think they were. OK mileage but completely gutless. I won't have one, but that's my experience with them
Post by: jackelope on May 01, 2008, 10:13:29 PM
what we need is some fuel stations with ethanol around here. most of the newer vehicles are flex-fuel capable and that is a good way to go. 10% worse fuel mileage, 10% more horsepower but significantly cheaper by the gallon to buy, plus great for american farmers.
AJ-your info from ethos is not going to convince me of any warranty info. get something on paper from the vehicle manufacturers saying it won't affect the warranty and then we'll talk. the manufacturers are the ones who decide what is warranty-able and what is not, not ethos.
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2008, 10:36:50 PM
Coast hunter, somebody really got you sucked into this one!
I wonder...you keep mentioning about how it improved your gas mileage, but you don't say how much? :dunno: Have you actually checked your gas mileage, or do you just go by approximately how many miles you get out of a tank of gas? Give us some numbers. What was your mpg's before, and what is it now, after using this magical stuff?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
As others have already said, it's a scam. Just my opinion but I'd bet my life on it. Coast hunter, somebody really got you sucked into this one! I wonder...you keep mentioning about how it improved your gas mileage, but you don't say how much? :dunno: Have you actually checked your gas mileage, or do you just go by approximately how many miles you get out of a tank of gas? Give us some numbers. What was your mpg's before, and what is it now, after using this magical stuff?
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee, V-8 Engine....
I got about 300-330(i had to drive into town and fill a 5 gallon can of gas to fill my jeep because i wouldnt have made it into town it was so empty) at best filled up to the top before ever using ETHOS FR.......
Now using ETHOS FR for the first time it is recommended to double the usuall dosage because it is suppose to clean first so 4 ounces to 20 gallons of fuel (know i understand)...and just driving around town the first tank i saw nothing......330 that was usuall at highway driving......so i said no improvement (not enough for me atleast), I thought just like you that this crap sucks, i got screwed! I just blew a bunch of money and its a scam......im pissed......so i called my buddie up who got me on this stuff (someone that i have known for over 6 years and trust highly, not just an aquantince) and he explained it is still going through its cleaning phase and to give it some time, and try it again.....so against my best judgment because he is my friend i listened to his crap and i did......on my second fill up and adding only 2 ounces of ETHOS FR to 20 Gallons of gas, i got about 360-370 miles to the tank.....I am on my third complete fill up from full to empty.....i am at 350 miles and have a little less than a quarter tank left over, which mean ill be hitting the 400 mark soon.....
WORKS FOR ME...........75 to 100 Miles improvement to the tank is deffinantly worth it......
YOU MAY NOT BE A BELIEVER BUT I AM!
But i also understand where you all are comming from.....i thought the same thing, untill my friend told me to shut up and just try it.....if anything i could return it if i was dissapointed, and get my money back no questions asked.....
But i wont be returning it anytime soon.......
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 10:56:49 PM
I'm also :liar:
BONE, YES YOU ARE!............lol...........lol........... :chuckle:
thats funny...............
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2008, 11:02:19 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 01, 2008, 11:19:50 PM
The numbers are right there.....you had time to write it out to explain it to all of us........lol.... :chuckle:
i figure i was getting about 16-18 MPG and am now seeing 20-22mpg......
That was tested several times (plenty of befor checks i have always gotten aound 300 to tank, give or take some for driving conditions) and are numbers that i am seeing continuely(oh besides the fact that recently everytime i add ETHOS to my tank i get better and better gas mileage, which i can figure out know thanks to you, :tup: ) but am now seeing in 400 to a tank......
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
Post by: KillBilly on May 02, 2008, 05:37:34 AM
If you really want to test this stuff, you need to learn how to calculate your miles per gallon. It's not hard. When you fill up, divide the number of miles by the number of gallons. You need to do this more than once. It's best to take an average over a couple of months time for it to really mean anything. So do this with your Jeep without using your magic chemical stuff for a while. Then use the magic stuff for a couple months and come up with an average again. After all that testing come back here and give us your numbers. I doubt they'll be any different. With a V8 in a Jeep I'd guess you'll be getting about 15 miles per gallon, with or without the expensive liquid additive.Instead of telling AJ how to do something he already knows how to do, why don't you invest $29.00 and do the test yourself and see if you can prove him wrong. It's kinda like put up or shut up.... besides if you buy a bottle, you'll bring my stock in the comapny up.... :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: bobcat on May 02, 2008, 05:54:56 AM
Nope. I won't waste my money on that crap. And how was I to know he knew how to calculate mpg's? All he would post is how many miles he got per tank. I assumed he didn't keep track of how many gallons he was putting in at each fill up. That part of the equation is kind of important. You can't just say well, I got only 300 miles out of a tank last time and this time I got 400. For that to mean anything he would have to put the same amount of gas in each time. Otherwise it could just be that when he gets 400 miles out of a tank he almost ran it dry, whereas when only getting 300 miles he still had 5 gallons left in the tank.
If he really wants to save money on gas he should trade that Jeep in for something with an engine a little smaller than a V8, like a Toyota Prius. Then he won't need a "fuel fix."
Post by: billythekidrock on May 02, 2008, 05:58:19 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 02, 2008, 05:59:56 AM
Post by: robodad on May 02, 2008, 06:35:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2008, 07:56:45 AM
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figure i was getting about 16-18 MPG and am now seeing 20-22mpg......
on your overhead display, your car will tell you the mpg's you are getting. what does it say?
i know a little about jeeps.
Post by: Curly on May 02, 2008, 08:07:11 AM
QuoteAJ, between this thread and your bear calling thread I am really starting to wonder about your motives.
Jay, You need to stop and slowly back away from that can of jet fuel, we are your pals in here and want to get you some serious help, I can speak with your commander and find out what the best coarse of action will be but for now you need to check into sick bay and tell them you are having delusional thoughts and it is spreading to your computer, it is only a matter of time before another one pops out of your head and makes it onto the board, just ask them if there is anything over the counter that will help besides alcohol, that *censored* never helps !!
I will get back to you in a few hours to see how you are doing, I am really concerned for you my friend !!!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello:
Post by: KillBilly on May 02, 2008, 08:52:23 AM
Instead of bashing each other on the topic....is there any independant research completed to date on the product?
New Testing Confirms Fuel Savings & Reduced Emissions for North MiamiWith Use of Ethos FR(R) Products
May 1, 2008 09:01:57 (ET)
SAN DIEGO, CA, May 01, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Ethos Environmental, Inc. (ETEV, Trade ), a San Diego-based company, announced that recent testing has revealed excellent fuel savings and emissions reduction for the City of North Miami since mandating the use of Ethos Fuel Reformulator in all city vehicles.
Treatment of the entire city fleet began in March of this year. Since then, the city has realized a 12.5% improvement in fuel economy, along with a 19.34% reduction in harmful emissions (measured in opacity).
Under the leadership of Mayor Kevin Burns, the City of North Miami has become an environmental leader in South Florida. As a signer of the U.S. Mayors Climate Protection Agreement, Burns has committed to reducing carbon emissions in the City of North Miami to 7% below 1990 levels, a goal in line with the Kyoto Protocol.
The city decided to make Ethos FR a part of their environmental plan after it performed beyond expectations in a testing protocol earlier this year.
Ethos FR(R) is an ester-based fuel reformulating product that reduces harmful emissions while improving both fuel mileage and engine performance. Ethos FR(R)'s ability to integrate easily with existing fueling infrastructures makes it both an effective and realistic pro-environmental step that can be implemented by municipalities of all sizes.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 02, 2008, 10:19:39 AM
Quotefigure i was getting about 16-18 MPG and am now seeing 20-22mpg......
on your overhead display, your car will tell you the mpg's you are getting. what does it say?
i know a little about jeeps.
on average it says about 22-25 but that is a huge misscalculation on the cars part........i would rather stick with factual math........full to empty mileage divided by gallons put in.......
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 02, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
If your really interested call me at 503-791-8700 and ill talk about it with you in person.......
I have done testing personnaly and know it works........If you are interested read back and then call me......it truely is for once something that claims to be what it is......
IT WORKS!
Post by: Alchase on May 02, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
I have not tested "this" product, if you say your test shows a 25% (16-18mpg to 20-22mpg) who am I to say differently.
Hopefully everyone will have results like you did :)
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
i'm all done.
Post by: billythekidrock on May 02, 2008, 04:18:33 PM
:rolleyes:
i'm all done.
+1
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 08, 2008, 08:03:55 PM
And for the people who are worried about voiding warrenties......
THIS IS SIMPLE.........Many people have heard the SCARE Tactics some car dealers use to discourage new car buyers from having aftermarket equipment installed in the vehicles or ran in there vehicles. Should you have any concerns about whether or not an installation or product will void the factory warranty , cite the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. The act states that a company cannot invalidate its warranty because the consumer had an accessory installed or used on the vehicle , no matter what the brand, unless the accessory can be proven to have caused the defect under warranty. THEY HAVE TO PROVE IT........Overall, the laws governing warrenties are very clear......ETHOS FR will not void any warrenty......
HERE IS ANOTHER ETHOS FR thing that you can look at that might intrest you...It is off the CNN website....
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0395158.htm
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 08, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
Andif any of you guys are at all interested in being green, I guess it is the cool thing to be, But this would be one way.......
Here is a good site you might want to check out.........good news article.....
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0392548.htm
And this one...........
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0390121.htm
Like i said before this stuff works, and it is getting big, QUICK......
Post by: cohoho on May 08, 2008, 10:18:14 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 09, 2008, 07:01:46 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 09, 2008, 12:39:50 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 28, 2008, 10:22:10 AM
ANYONE?
Post by: New England Native on May 28, 2008, 10:40:38 AM
Post by: Alchase on May 28, 2008, 11:36:13 AM
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2006/ethanol-10-06/tests-of-ethanol-vs.-gasoline/1006_ethanol_test_1.htm
Tested in a tahoe
Most vehicles are seeing a decline in performance of 15% to 25% with a MPG loss of 15%-45% depending on the vehicle.
Tons of information out there, just do not trust any web site sponsored by any vehicle manufacturer of E85 coalition.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 28, 2008, 01:25:01 PM
Ok here's another question I have a 2007 chevy silverado w/ the vortec 5.3. The manufacturer says I could use E85 in it and a gas station nearby sells it for a dollar less than gas. Has anyone else tried it? I'm still a little weary of putting it in my tank. I can't find anyplace that lists negatives of ethanol. :dunno:here you go man, this is what i have for ethenol.....
PROS
Reduce dependency on foreign oil
Renewable fuel source
Readily available sources for production
Burns more completely that gas
High octane level reduces need for antiknock additives
CONS
Increased ozone emissions
Combustion emits formaldehyde, a highly toxic organic solvent
Potential damage to fuel system components at concentrations higher than 10% on non-modified vehicles
Ethanol production uses other fossil fuels during the process
Contains only 2/3 the energy content compared to gas
Excessive water concentrations may cause engine stalling or even severe engine damage
The grain required to fill one 25 gallon (95 litre) fuel tank would feed one person for a year
The US already uses nearly one-sixth of its grain crop (and over half of all its corn) to produce ethanol for cars, and while this represents only 3% of all fuel sold, it is starting to affect the global prices of wheat and corn, which feed into other food prices
Post by: New England Native on May 28, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 28, 2008, 03:33:46 PM
Ok here's another question I have a 2007 chevy silverado w/ the vortec 5.3. The manufacturer says I could use E85 in it and a gas station nearby sells it for a dollar less than gas. Has anyone else tried it? I'm still a little weary of putting it in my tank. I can't find anyplace that lists negatives of ethanol. :dunno:here you go man, this is what i have for ethenol.....
PROS
Reduce dependency on foreign oil
Renewable fuel source
Readily available sources for production
Burns more completely that gas
High octane level reduces need for antiknock additives
CONS
Increased ozone emissions
Combustion emits formaldehyde, a highly toxic organic solvent
Potential damage to fuel system components at concentrations higher than 10% on non-modified vehicles
Ethanol production uses other fossil fuels during the process
Contains only 2/3 the energy content compared to gas
Excessive water concentrations may cause engine stalling or even severe engine damage
The grain required to fill one 25 gallon (95 litre) fuel tank would feed one person for a year
The US already uses nearly one-sixth of its grain crop (and over half of all its corn) to produce ethanol for cars, and while this represents only 3% of all fuel sold, it is starting to affect the global prices of wheat and corn, which feed into other food prices
You are correct sir in all of the above, however I would seriously NOT worry about running it in a newer chevy truck that's designed to switch between the two...
NewEnglandNative,
Seriously, the auto manufacturers wouldn't even suggest putting it in if they hadn't designed the engine and fuel system AROUND E85, however they do suggest it and they even cover it in their warranty.
All the cons listed above are for vehicles that have fuel systems designed for unleaded gasoline... not for a highly computerized truck designed to switch between the two. That's just my .02
Michael
Post by: Curly on May 28, 2008, 04:41:47 PM
NewEnglandNative,
All the cons listed above are for vehicles that have fuel systems designed for unleaded gasoline... not for a highly computerized truck designed to switch between the two. That's just my .02
Michael
Michael, I believe the only con listed "for vehicles that have fuel systems designed for unleaded gasoline" is
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Potential damage to fuel system components at concentrations higher than 10% on non-modified vehicles
The other cons listed should apply to all vehicles.
Post by: catwithboost on May 28, 2008, 05:17:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2008, 05:21:57 PM
thats all i'm gonna say.
Post by: catwithboost on May 28, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
Post by: KillBilly on May 28, 2008, 07:33:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2008, 07:56:54 PM
If you look at my post it says 3.5 miles to a gallon. ;)
no it doesn't.
;)
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Well in my 96 dodge I got 68 more miles out of the first tank which is like 3.5 miles a gallon. So it is working for me. I dont drive it much only put 3000 miles on it in the past year.
what i meant is actually calculating gas mileage. fill your tank...clear your trip odometer. run through a tank, fill it up and look at your trip, take how many miles you went and divide it by the number of miles on your trip odometer. thats how you calculate gas mileage. killbilly has done it correctly and he knows what i'm talking about.
apparently that wasn't all i had to say.
killbilly...what the hell are you driving that you get that kind of gas mileage?
Post by: Curly on May 28, 2008, 08:31:24 PM
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killbilly...what the hell are you driving that you get that kind of gas mileage?
I want to know too. I bought a 2002 Saturn last winter for a commuter car and couldn't be happier with the mileage........well maybe I could if I could get 42mpg :). I consistently get 38 mpg or slightly better and once or twice I've managed to get 39 mpg.
KillBilly, how much of the bottle do you put in your tank? And how much does it add to the price per gallon of your fuel? Do you come out ahead after purchasing the stuff and getting the better mileage?
Post by: KillBilly on May 28, 2008, 09:11:19 PM
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. killbilly...what the hell are you driving that you get that kind of gas mileage?
I am driving a 2006 Hyundai Tiburon, 2.0 litre with a 5 speed
Post by: catwithboost on May 28, 2008, 09:12:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2008, 09:17:27 PM
or are you getting 3.48888888 mpg? you never know with some trucks.
i don't care how many miles to a tank you're getting. there are too many variables there.
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I think I have a idea how to figure out as mileage
a couple of you guys supporting this stuff were asked actual calculated gas mileage a couple times and nobody actually calculated it except Al. i can't understand that, especially if you are trying to market this stuff.
Post by: catwithboost on May 28, 2008, 09:19:46 PM
Post by: Curly on May 29, 2008, 08:46:32 AM
Post by: Curly on May 29, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
Basically it costs about $1/oz for the stuff and you need one oz per 10 gal of gas.
So, if my car currently gets 38 mpg and if the stuff increases the mileage to 41 mpg, here is what I would save every 400 miles:
400 mi / 38 mpg = 10.5 gal Cost of gas to drive the 400 miles at $4/gal = (4x10.5)=$42
400 mi/ 41 mpg = 9.76 gal Cost of gas to drive the 400 miles at $4/gal = (4x9.76)=$39 Now add the $1 for the additive....cost = $40
So, it shows that I could save $2 for every 400 miles that I drive. That equates to about a $100 savings in 1 year if I drive 20,000 miles per year.
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 29, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
If anyone is interested in trying ETHOS FR you are free to contact me at any time of the morning or night. your friends are welcome to call me also..... My number is 503-791-8700....... or go ahead and PM me and i will see if i can help......I dont want to create any contrivercy as to wether it works or doesnt, but the proof is in the pudding......
And you arent going to know if it works unless you try it!
For more info........try.......... www.forearthonline.com
for the ordering info please go ahead and PM me....
Post by: Curly on May 29, 2008, 12:09:47 PM
Coast, look for a PM from me tonight.
Post by: LongTatLaw on May 29, 2008, 12:51:06 PM
This is the first time Ive read this thread and boy am I confused as to how people are getting pissed off???? :dunno:
But I love it! People pissed off, making fun of each other, and over nothing in my opinion...lol
Id understand if someone used the stuff and it didnt work... but I love it when people havent tried it or even seen it and they are angry mad and pissed off that someone else might...lol
keep it up fellas :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I generally just take it up the rear at the gas pumps and dont normally concern myself with making an effort to improve gas mileage since my Xterra gets unreasonably bad gas mileage but now Im convinced...
If people are pissed off about even trying this stuff...Im gonna get me some today... So...you know who...check is in the mail!!!
and Ill report how it works for me...but Im gonna do it in a way that pisses off both sides...lol
Like ...hmmm I FEEL like in my heart it works and Im gonna GUESS it improves my gas use by SEVERAL inches per yard...lol :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :P
any ways, Im very confused by all the aggression on this topic and I cant help but be a part of it...
So... IM BUYING IT TODAY...YAYAYAYAYYAYA now...people yell at me... woo hoo...lol
pm sent
Post by: DeKuma on May 29, 2008, 01:04:08 PM
LongTat cracks me up.
Post by: LongTatLaw on May 29, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
I amke you ANGRY >:( >:( >:(
and Im gonna add magic stuff to my gas tank to make my gas eaten xterra get 75 miles to the gallon!!!
get mad now! GO....lol
Post by: DeKuma on May 29, 2008, 01:09:13 PM
GGRRRRRR! I am MAD!!! GGRRRRR!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: kirkl on May 29, 2008, 01:29:41 PM
Post by: jdb on May 29, 2008, 02:36:45 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 29, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
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and Ill report how it works for me...but Im gonna do it in a way that pisses off both sides...lol
Thats awesome man, keep it up..........funny guy.......
dekuma i PM'd you back..... :tup:
Post by: Ray on May 29, 2008, 05:51:51 PM
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And you arent going to know if it works unless you try it!
For more info........try.......... www.forearthonline.com
for the ordering info please go ahead and PM me....
Please no advertising and soliciting for customers. Between this thread and FOBs people have been complaining. I think it's also rude myself.