Post by: Bean Counter on January 19, 2011, 05:12:19 PM
I went so far as to call several dealerships and got mixed answers. FWIW, I got a "YES, YES IT IS" type answer from some Toyota Service Advisors and the ones who said "No" were able to say that they've seen plenty of Tundras who have thrown the belt but there was no other damage to the engine head. To take it a step further I called Toyota Corporate and they wouldn't give me a definitive answer--only to say "we can't guarantee there wont be engine damage if the timing belt breaks." :dunno:
Anybody had a timing belt in this engine break and can share their experience?
Post by: Wa hunter on January 19, 2011, 05:15:25 PM
Post by: FC on January 19, 2011, 05:19:59 PM
Did you break yours?
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2011, 05:21:50 PM
TOYOTA
1.5L {53}
1.6L {53}
1.8L Diesel Replace Every 60,000 Miles
1.8L Gasoline {53}
2.0L {53}
2.2L Diesel Replace Every 60,000 Miles
2.2L Gasoline {53}
2.4L Diesel Replace Every 100,000 Miles
2.5L {37}
2.8L {37}
3.0L Inline 6 {53}
3.0L V6 {53}
3.3L Replace Every 90,000 Miles Or 108 Months
3.4L {53}
4.7L (1998-2003) Replace Every 90,000 Miles Or 72 Months
4.7L (2004-09) Replace Every 90,000 Miles Or 108 Months
Interference/non-interference
1.5L (1A-C, 3A-C & 3E) Interference
1.5L (3E-E & 5E-FE) Free-Wheeling
1.6L DOHC (4A-F & 4A-FE) Interference
1.6L DOHC (4A-GE & 4A-GZE) Free-Wheeling
1.6L SOHC Free-Wheeling
1.8L Diesel Interference
1.8L DOHC Gasoline Interference
2.0L Free-Wheeling
2.2L Diesel Interference
2.2L Gasoline Free-Wheeling
2.4L Diesel Interference
2.5L Free-Wheeling
2.8L Free-Wheeling
3.0L Inline 6 (Except 1998 2JZ-GE) Free-Wheeling
3.0L Inline 6 VVT-i (1998 2JZ-GE) Interference
3.0L V6 Free-Wheeling
3.3L V6 Free-Wheeling
3.4L Free-Wheeling
4.7L Interference
VVT-i - Variable Valve Timing With Intelligence
Post by: Bean Counter on January 19, 2011, 05:58:34 PM
Did you break yours?
Nope. Got a steller deal on an '03. 8) $3K+ below book value. Has high high miles. Even if I replace the timing belt now it was still an awesome deal.
The problem is I don't know the maintenance history. It was in great shape overall. The serpentine belt looks good, even the fluids in the differentials and transfer case are very fresh. Doesn't seem fitting that it wouldn't have had timing belts done. If I were told or convinced the belt had 90K+ miles on it, I'd go ahead and do it, but I dont' want to throw money away especially if I all I'd have to do is call AAA for a tow and there wouldn't be any engine damage.
Post by: coop2424 on January 19, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
Did you break yours?
Nope. Got a steller deal on an '03. 8) $3K+ below book value. Has high high miles. Even if I replace the timing belt now it was still an awesome deal.
The problem is I don't know the maintenance history. It was in great shape overall. The serpentine belt looks good, even the fluids in the differentials and transfer case are very fresh. Doesn't seem fitting that it wouldn't have had timing belts done. If I were told or convinced the belt had 90K+ miles on it, I'd go ahead and do it, but I dont' want to throw money away especially if I all I'd have to do is call AAA for a tow and there wouldn't be any engine damage.
Supposely if the timing belt has been replaced they put a sticker somewhere next to the belt showing that it has been replaced. May want to check there.
Post by: FC on January 19, 2011, 06:14:05 PM
The problem is I don't know the maintenance history.
I just picked up a used tacoma with over 90k on it, I did a full service on the truck, diffs, T-case, transmission fluid, timing belt, water pump, T-stat, idler and tensioner bearings and spark plugs.
The belt and water pump appeared to have been changed on mine but I did the whole job anyway, from the looks of things it was done prior to 90k and the truck now has 130k. The rear diff looked to have had it's fluid changed but the rest were nasty, the coolant was nasty and the spark plugs were heavily worn although the wires had been changed, the idler and tensioner bearings had NOT been changed, the idler bearing felt like it was full of sand too it was so bad.
That "maintenance" makes no sense to me but it's back on track now and I KNOW when it will be due for anything else, I would advise you to follow suit. I would hate to be out and about in the woods hunting or scouting and have the belt break and be stranded, no cell service in most places too. Toyota's are well known for their reliability but if you stop taking care of them they stop taking care of you. :twocents:
Kudos on getting a Toyota truck for under book, most of the time you are lucky to get one for 3k over book.
FWIW I have changed many timing belts and I only stickered a few, if the shop had no stickers then the car/truck didn't get one, shop owners are notoriously cheap.
Post by: Jason on January 19, 2011, 06:16:54 PM
I'm not the gambling type so I just had mine replaced about a week ago, better safe than sorry :chuckle:. I felt like a was driving a bomb
and didn't know when it was going to blow :yike:
I asked the Toyota technician that did my belt how many he has seen break? he said none on the 4.7l, he said the belts eventually
break down from wear and oils, and on start up the crank gear will spin inside the belt and smooth off the grooves.
Post by: FC on January 19, 2011, 06:18:25 PM
Post by: coop2424 on January 19, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
I was also told its a zero clearance engine
I'm not the gambling type so I just had mine replaced about a week ago, better safe than sorry :chuckle:. I felt like a was driving a bomb
and didn't know when it was going to blow :yike:
I asked the Toyota technician that did my belt how many he has seen break? he said none on the 4.7l, he said the belts eventually
break down from wear and oils, and on start up the crank gear will spin inside the belt and smooth off the grooves.
How much was it to replace yours? I have a 2000 with 79000 miles on it and getting ready to sell it and trying to determine if I should replace it before selling it or take some off the price for it not being replaced.. I know according to years it should have been replaced a couple years ago but oh well..
Post by: Bean Counter on January 19, 2011, 07:46:26 PM
Did you break yours?
Nope. Got a steller deal on an '03. 8) $3K+ below book value. Has high high miles. Even if I replace the timing belt now it was still an awesome deal.
The problem is I don't know the maintenance history. It was in great shape overall. The serpentine belt looks good, even the fluids in the differentials and transfer case are very fresh. Doesn't seem fitting that it wouldn't have had timing belts done. If I were told or convinced the belt had 90K+ miles on it, I'd go ahead and do it, but I dont' want to throw money away especially if I all I'd have to do is call AAA for a tow and there wouldn't be any engine damage.
Supposely if the timing belt has been replaced they put a sticker somewhere next to the belt showing that it has been replaced. May want to check there.
Yep, no sticker. As FC pointed out, I've heard this is often skipped.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 19, 2011, 08:05:04 PM
The problem is I don't know the maintenance history.
I just picked up a used tacoma with over 90k on it, I did a full service on the truck, diffs, T-case, transmission fluid, timing belt, water pump, T-stat, idler and tensioner bearings and spark plugs.
The belt and water pump appeared to have been changed on mine but I did the whole job anyway, from the looks of things it was done prior to 90k and the truck now has 130k. The rear diff looked to have had it's fluid changed but the rest were nasty, the coolant was nasty and the spark plugs were heavily worn although the wires had been changed, the idler and tensioner bearings had NOT been changed, the idler bearing felt like it was full of sand too it was so bad.
That "maintenance" makes no sense to me but it's back on track now and I KNOW when it will be due for anything else, I would advise you to follow suit. I would hate to be out and about in the woods hunting or scouting and have the belt break and be stranded, no cell service in most places too. Toyota's are well known for their reliability but if you stop taking care of them they stop taking care of you. :twocents:
Kudos on getting a Toyota truck for under book, most of the time you are lucky to get one for 3k over book.
I am 100% with this maintenance philosophy. The phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" wasn't necessarily coined for vehicles.
I would have been prepared to pay up to asking price ($1.5K more) but without any maintenance history, getting the kick @$$ deal I got was the only way to close the sale. I usually get at or above book value for my used vehicles I sell off because I always have a receipt folder documenting all scheduled maintenance. ;)
I was thinking of having the belts/water pump done at the dealership but since they don't seem to have a straight answer AND they're more expensive I suppose I'll go back to the indie, Bob's Auto Repair type place. After I first bought it I took it into the shop with cash in hand to have several fluids flushed and the front brakes replaced. They showed me that 2/3 of the work I was about to pay them for didn't need to be done so I kinda feel they're more trust worthy than the Stealership. No offense to you honest Yoda cervix advisors. A belt doesn't seem like the most technical job that requires a dealers expertise, anyway.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 19, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
I was also told its a zero clearance engine
I'm not the gambling type so I just had mine replaced about a week ago, better safe than sorry :chuckle:. I felt like a was driving a bomb
and didn't know when it was going to blow :yike:
I asked the Toyota technician that did my belt how many he has seen break? he said none on the 4.7l, he said the belts eventually
break down from wear and oils, and on start up the crank gear will spin inside the belt and smooth off the grooves.
How much was it to replace yours?
....
I wanna know, too ??? thanks
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Timing Belt
Replace B 2.2 3.5
NOTE
To R&R Crankshaft Gear, Add B 0.3 0.4
With AC, Add B 0.3 0.4
To R&R Timing Belt Idler Pulley No.1, Add B 0.2 0.3
To R&R Timing Belt Idler Pulley No.2, Add B 0.2 0.3
To R&R Crankshaft Front Oil Seal, Add B 0.4 0.5
Use the 2nd labor time...the 1st one is supposed to be warranty time.
Timing belt shows to be about $55 from Toyota, put a water pump, tensioners, coolant and stuff. Probably another couple hundred bucks. I'd hit you at about $800-850+tax I bet.
I've never sold one so I have -0- experience but thats probably pretty close if you figure $100/hour by the labor time guide.
Post by: Jason on January 19, 2011, 10:16:34 PM
$751 including tax, they replaced timing belt, drive belt, crank seals, water pump, coolant, I think thats it, also they used genuine Toyota parts.I was also told its a zero clearance engine
I'm not the gambling type so I just had mine replaced about a week ago, better safe than sorry :chuckle:. I felt like a was driving a bomb
and didn't know when it was going to blow :yike:
I asked the Toyota technician that did my belt how many he has seen break? he said none on the 4.7l, he said the belts eventually
break down from wear and oils, and on start up the crank gear will spin inside the belt and smooth off the grooves.
How much was it to replace yours? I have a 2000 with 79000 miles on it and getting ready to sell it and trying to determine if I should replace it before selling it or take some off the price for it not being replaced.. I know according to years it should have been replaced a couple years ago but oh well..
They usually don't replace the tensioners on the first belt, they inspect them and replace if needed, they replace tensioners at 180k.
parts were $350, water pump $150, drive belt $85, Timing belt $56 and I can't remember the rest.
Post by: FC on January 19, 2011, 10:50:57 PM
If you have a full 90k service done including spark plugs, diff, t-case and trans fluids etc as well as the timing belt I would expect to pay $1200ish.
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2011, 10:56:19 PM
Bean Counter don't be fooled into thinking that dealerships have better techs than the independents, it's often the other way around! I've fixed a lot of cars and trucks that the dealer guys couldn't figure out. :twocents:
If you have a full 90k service done including spark plugs, diff, t-case and trans fluids etc as well as the timing belt I would expect to pay $1200ish.
Great post!!
:rolleyes:
Post by: FC on January 19, 2011, 10:57:12 PM
Great post!!
:rolleyes:
Hug?
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 06:10:25 AM
No!... circle jerk :yike:Great post!!Hug?
:rolleyes:
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 06:15:58 AM
Bean Counter don't be fooled into thinking that dealerships have better techs than the independents, it's often the other way around! I've fixed a lot of cars and trucks that the dealer guys couldn't figure out. :twocents:
If you have a full 90k service done including spark plugs, diff, t-case and trans fluids etc as well as the timing belt I would expect to pay $1200ish.
I'm not at 90K, it has 200K :yike: As I said, high high mileage. It should be on its 2nd belt by now. Some of the fluids I can do myself and others are already done so this is just a belts + pump + tensioners + coolant operation.
The quote at the Stealership ranged from $800 to $1,300, depending upon how much stuff went into it as far as new pulleys, gaskets, etc. I sorta felt like just replacing everything "as long as its open." Then he countered that some stuff will last the life of the vehicle and is really only cost effective to be replaced if needed. That's where I figured paying someone who sees the part every day might have better judgment. I think the quote at my indie shop was $800-900 to do EVERYTHING.
But yeah, I took a look at the 20 something year old punk techs havin' a smoke around back at Yoda and they didn't look much different than the 20 something year olds at the indie shop.
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 07:29:56 AM
Quote
But yeah, I took a look at the 20 something year old punk techs havin' a smoke around back at Yoda and they didn't look much different than the 20 something year olds at the indie shop.
Especially when they're doing timing belts...it's not rocket science after all.
Great post!!
:rolleyes:
Hug?
No hugs thanks.
Just don't let the indie lure you in with the timing belt for 200 bucks coupon.
:twocents:
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 07:43:23 AM
again... :twocents:
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
The tats, smokes, and coarse language didn't exactly project the choir-boy image to me :hello:
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Didn't mean to generalize, sorry to you mechanics out there. :)
The tats, smokes, and coarse language didn't exactly project the choir-boy image to me :hello:
That's because they're not choir boys.
:)
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 07:52:13 AM
Just don't let the indie lure you in with the timing belt for 200 bucks coupon.
:twocents:
Before I approve any repair, I want to know the TTOTD price. Of course, something can be discovered in the middle of the repair. Assuming I smell no :bs: I'm ok with it.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 20, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
Post by: Jason on January 20, 2011, 08:14:11 AM
what the hell happened to this post? :yike: ....first one to say it, not the pivot man :chuckle:No!... circle jerk :yike:Great post!!Hug?
:rolleyes:
Bean just make sure they hand you a quote when you find a Toyota tech. and make sure they replace everything.
where you located?
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 08:14:30 AM
:dunno:
Quote
INSPECT IDLER PULLEYS
Visually check the seal portion of the idler pulley for oil leakage. If leakage is found, replace the idler pulley.
Check that the idler pulley turns smoothly. If necessary, replace the idler pulley.
INSPECT TIMING BELT TENSIONER
Visually check the seal portion of the tensioner for oil leakage.
HINT:
If there is only the faintest trace of oil on the seal on the push rod side, the tensioner is all right.
If leakage is found, replace the tensioner.
Hold the tensioner with both hands and push the push rod strongly as shown to check that it doesn't move. If the push rod moves, replace the tensioner
Measure the protrusion of the push rod from the housing end. Protrusion: 10.5 - 11.5 mm (0.413 - 0.453 inch)
If the protrusion is not as specified, replace the tensioner.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 09:16:54 AM
....
where you located?
I've moved outta WA, back to the USA. Otherwise, I'd probably patronize one of these great mechanics on the forum here.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 09:22:28 AM
Bean just make sure they hand you a quote when you find a Toyota tech. and make sure they replace everything.
...
I guess the best way to 'make sure' they replace everything is to ask for the old parts back in a box.
This indie place is actually a small, regional chain. As I pointed out they seem honest enough. However, they earned a "strike" against them in my book when I asked them to drop my pan and clean the screen, and replace the gasket BEFORE flushing my trannie fluid. They just flushed the trannie fluid :bash:. When this fact came up with the mechanic, he was at least honest about it, and they didn't charge me for the extra work.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 20, 2011, 09:30:45 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 09:58:09 AM
Does anybody know if the '03 uses super long life coolant (like the 100,000 mile stuff) or just "long life" coolant?
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 10:06:06 AM
Quote
Specified Coolant "TOYOTA Long Life Coolant" or equivalent Ethylene-glycol Based Antifreeze/Coolant
Post by: FC on January 20, 2011, 10:25:15 AM
Didn't mean to generalize, sorry to you mechanics out there. :)
The tats, smokes, and coarse language didn't exactly project the choir-boy image to me :hello:
That's because they're not choir boys.
:)
LMAO! Should I get a halo for my next tattoo?
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 10:41:20 AM
Toyota recommends against doing transmission flushes period. I was a Toyota service advisor for a month or 2 a couple years ago and this was part of our training...no flushes.QuoteSpecified Coolant "TOYOTA Long Life Coolant" or equivalent Ethylene-glycol Based Antifreeze/Coolant
Yet, they offer the flush service :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 20, 2011, 11:02:57 AM
The dealer, per the manufacturer, shouldn't be flushing anything. If they are they are doing it for the money. Chryser took the same stance recently as well regarding the flush machines.
sounds about right.
Though us common folk often don't know when they're trying to just sell us stuff, or have stuff break down to sell us even more expensive stuff (ie, a new transmission). I'm guessing the recommendation against it has to do with either damaging the torque converter or pumping any settled sediments/crap into the rest of the transmission.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2011, 01:08:35 PM
:beatdeadhorse:
So 9 months later and that timing belt still hasn't gone. After calling Toyota USA and them being very coy and only saying "Well we can't really guarantee the engine wont be damaged if the timing belt breaks.." makes me think that it may classify as an interference engine, but that most of their experience says that this is not the case.
Regardless, I will be making a multi-state hunting trip this fall and I don't like the idea of being stranded in the middle of nowhere even if it doesn't damage the engine should the belt go T/U.
So here's my (I hope) last question on the topic: Can I pull off the cover and look at the belt to determine whether it should be changed or not? Ie, splitting, cracks, etc? Or is that not a reliable indicator? Can an ostensibly healthy looking belt fail from the inside out?
Couldn't ever get an answer as to when (if ever) the belt was changed. :bash:
Post by: jackelope on September 14, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
So 9 months later and that timing belt still hasn't gone. After calling Toyota USA and them being very coy and only saying "Well we can't really guarantee the engine wont be damaged if the timing belt breaks.." makes me think that it may classify as an interference engine, but that most of their experience says that this is not the case.
I posted in Reply #3 that it's an interference motor.
Labor time to pull the timing cover and replace it is 3.1 hours so it's a fairly major project to pull the cover.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2011, 02:41:08 PM
Question is really whether I can determine if the belt is in good shape by looking at the outside or not. However, if its going to cost as much money just to check as it would to replace, I suppose its just a no brainer to replace.
Thanks Jack.
Post by: jackelope on September 14, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
We do a few PT Cruisers with broken timing belts that are interference motors and I've never had one smack together for example.
Maybe if the engine is running at lower RPM when the belt breaks then the odds of bad chit happening would be reduced? That could be a pipe dream too.
Post by: Buckmark on September 14, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
Looks like the upgrade to my riflescope will have to wait :'(
So now, back to Stealership vs. Indie shop :stirthepot:
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 09:22:33 AM
Kyle
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
:dunno:
True story.
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
Post by: Buckmark on September 15, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
My dentist has tattoo's.In plain site on his or her arm......correct??? or are they elsewhere and if so how do you know.. :yike:
:dunno:
True story.
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
cause more damage then good. I've seen it before. And as far as my tattoos go, they stay covered, my arms are sleeved, my chest, my back and my legs have them all over, but great grandma who can't stand the sight of tattoos doesn't see them and I will not go out of my way to make sure she does... But that being said, I love all my tattoos, and if someone is offended by them, I am sorry, just don't look.....
Kyle
Post by: Bean Counter on September 15, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
Kyle, that is a very generous offer and you may hear from me soon. I may have been in to one of your shops before--this ain't my first Toyota and wont be my last.
Really, pass on the tensioners and idler pulley thingies? If this was the first belt I could see it being over the top, but I'm at 200,000+ now. Most say they only last 150,000 - 250,000. I priced them out and they aren't cheap :yike: Adds a few hundred $$$. I was thinking to have the techs fondle them a bit and give me a professional opinion whether they should be swapped out. This has definitely become a 'if you give a mouse a cookie' kind of story.
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 11:45:24 AM
Post by: Buckmark on September 15, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
And don't ask the techs to inspect and give you a wether you should or shouldn't replace something, really you think any good tech is gonna say "water pump looks good, i would not do it" might as well be putting there head on a chopping block for if it fails 20k later your gonna be back pissed off and blaming them....and expecting them to do repairs for free.
Do it right the first time, with quality parts and then you have piece of mind, or short cut it, have it fail and then blame everyone else but yourself...
Like they say Pay me now or Pay me later..
Now i am off to the tattoo shop... :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 15, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 15, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
...
Now i am off the the tattoo shop... :chuckle:
:lol4:
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 12:01:08 PM
Post by: Buckmark on September 15, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Buckmark, not trust to many people huh??? Sounds like my techs put their heads on the chopping block every day thenI trust lots of people, and yes if your or any techs are willing to tell a customer that the water pump driven by a timing belt on an interference engine is ok and should NOT be replaced they are putting themselves and you and your dealership at risk of being blamed for a future failure that they do not have a crystal ball to predict. The OP by his posts does not trust dealers or independents and if you do his t-belt, tell him the
h20 and tensioners are ok, he will assume that they are good for another 100k+ and they may be and might go 100k+ without a problem, but if a failure happens, say 10k down the road in Ihavenocellservice North Dakota and it wipes out some valves be assured he is gonna be burning up your ear on the phone.
Not trying to start a pissing match, but you know all to well you cant predict the future and given the chance to do it correctly in the best interest of your customer you should, yes i know you can advise them they should and of course they have the right to make the decision based on your expert opinion, and you can note that customer was advised and declined, but that still wont make it any better to the OP if something happens... just my :twocents:
We do not have crystal balls to look into the future, but we do have the knowledge and experience to help guide our customers to smart repair decisions that contintue to keep them happy thier cars running well and have them return for years too come....
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 12:53:04 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 15, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
You rock! :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
Thanks for your help on the phone! :tup:
Post by: xxlx7 on September 15, 2011, 07:15:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 16, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
Buckmark, not trust to many people huh??? Sounds like my techs put their heads on the chopping block every day then
That is exactly what it sounds like to me. No offense but I don't think I've ever had a tech tell me a water pump is fine when doing a t-belt. Why run the risk of your customer having to spend all that money in labor again 20k miles from now? I'd almost say it's not an option with me. When I quote a job like that, it's got the water pump, tensioners, etc all in there.
Post by: FC on September 17, 2011, 02:13:54 PM
Why run the risk of your customer having to spend all that money in labor again 20k miles from now? I'd almost say it's not an option with me. When I quote a job like that, it's got the water pump, tensioners, etc all in there.
You would be crazy not to, I've seen way too many people NOT change the water pump and get burned on it 20k later and a few of them have gotten to add a head gasket to the tally! Even on MY truck I changed everything but the tensioner! Toyota tensioners are about the only ones I would run more than once.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 17, 2011, 02:41:44 PM
OEM parts only or aftermarket ok?
Post by: FC on September 17, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
I'm curious as to what some your pro mechanics think about parts in general:
OEM parts only or aftermarket ok?
Depends on the part and what vehicle make?