Toyota Tundra Timing Belt

[jackelope]

And my techs probably go to more schooling and training than my dentist does on an annual basis.

[Buckmark]

My dentist has tattoo's.
 

True story.

In plain site on his or her arm......correct??? or are they elsewhere and if so how do you know..

[xxlx7]

I find it crazy how much schooling my techs are REQUIRED to complete in order to keep their jobs.. Ohh and I forgot, yes don't flush your systems, coolant or trans unless its absolutley needed. Draining and filling the trans pan is all you need to do. flushes push fluids the wrong way and can actually
cause more damage then good. I've seen it before. And as far as my tattoos go, they stay covered, my arms are sleeved, my chest, my back and my legs have them all over, but great grandma who can't stand the sight of tattoos doesn't see them and I will not go out of my way to make sure she does... But that being said, I love all my tattoos, and if someone is offended by them, I am sorry, just don't look.....

Kyle

[Bean Counter]

Damn, I'm never going to live the tatt comment down, am I? 

Kyle, that is a very generous offer and you may hear from me soon. I may have been in to one of your shops before--this ain't my first Toyota and wont be my last.

Really, pass on the tensioners and idler pulley thingies? If this was the first belt I could see it being over the top, but I'm at 200,000+ now. Most say they only last 150,000 - 250,000. I priced them out and they aren't cheap  Adds a few hundred $$$. I was thinking to have the techs fondle them a bit and give me a professional opinion whether they should be swapped out. This has definitely become a 'if you give a mouse a cookie' kind of story.

[xxlx7]

That is what I tell every one of my customers, my techs will cup your tensioners and tell you if they think they are to tight, to loose.... no for real though, let the tech tell you if they need replacement, all my techs are honest and won't upsell stuff unless they feel its the important thing to do, and I'm sure most techs are like that. Yes, they are not cheap, and that is why if the tech says they are good to go, don't worry about it, now if you feel you want to do it just to make sure they are good to go another 200k then do it, its cheaper doin it then then later. Sometimes we say damn that's alot of money, but spending a couple grand is cheaper than buyin a new vehicle.....

[Buckmark]

Never pass on the tensioners, idlers or water pump if timing belt driven or even the front seals (cam and crank), your just asking to have a costly failure for the sake of saving a few hundred bucks initially.
And don't ask the techs to inspect and give you a wether you should or shouldn't replace something, really you think any good tech is gonna say "water pump looks good, i would not do it" might as well be putting there head on a chopping block for if it fails 20k later your gonna be back pissed off and blaming them....and expecting them to do repairs for free.
Do it right the first time, with quality parts and then you have piece of mind, or short cut it, have it fail and then blame everyone else but yourself...
Like they say Pay me now or Pay me later..
Now i am off to the tattoo shop...

[Woodchuck]

  Well said 

[Bean Counter]

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Now i am off the the tattoo shop...

[xxlx7]

Buckmark, not trust to many people huh??? Sounds like my techs put their heads on the chopping block every day then

[Buckmark]

Buckmark, not trust to many people huh??? Sounds like my techs put their heads on the chopping block every day then

I trust lots of people, and yes if your or any techs are willing to tell a customer that the water pump driven by a timing belt on an interference engine is ok and should NOT be replaced they are putting themselves and you and your dealership at risk of being blamed for a future failure that they do not have a crystal ball to predict. The OP by his posts does not trust dealers or independents and if you do his t-belt, tell him the
h20 and tensioners are ok, he will assume that they are good for another 100k+ and they may be and might go 100k+ without a problem, but if a failure happens, say 10k down the road in Ihavenocellservice North Dakota and it wipes out some valves be assured he is gonna be burning up your ear on the phone.
Not trying to start a pissing match, but you know all to well you cant predict the future and given the chance to do it correctly in the best interest of your customer you should, yes i know you can advise them they should and of course they have the right to make the decision based on your expert opinion, and you can note that customer was advised and declined, but that still wont make it any better to the OP if something happens... just my 
We do not have crystal balls to look into the future, but we do have the knowledge and experience to help guide our customers to smart repair decisions that contintue to keep them happy thier cars running well and have them return for years too come....

[xxlx7]

I agree with your statement 100%. And I am not helpin a pissin match, sorry if it sounded that way!!!

[Bean Counter]

Kyle,
You rock! 
Thanks for your help on the phone! 

[xxlx7]

No problem my man, when your back in town we'll have to get together and go shoot up some birds

[jackelope]

Buckmark, not trust to many people huh??? Sounds like my techs put their heads on the chopping block every day then

That is exactly what it sounds like to me. No offense but I don't think I've ever had a tech tell me a water pump is fine when doing a t-belt. Why run the risk of your customer having to spend all that money in labor again 20k miles from now? I'd almost say it's not an option with me. When I quote a job like that, it's got the water pump, tensioners, etc all in there.

[FC]

Why run the risk of your customer having to spend all that money in labor again 20k miles from now? I'd almost say it's not an option with me. When I quote a job like that, it's got the water pump, tensioners, etc all in there.

You would be crazy not to, I've seen way too many people NOT change the water pump and get burned on it 20k later and a few of them have gotten to add a head gasket to the tally! Even on MY truck I changed everything but the tensioner! Toyota tensioners are about the only ones I would run more than once.