Post by: Todd_ID on January 20, 2011, 08:56:37 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 20, 2011, 09:07:29 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
Post by: BlackRidge on January 20, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
I personally haven't put one in my AR, the trigger weight was never something I noticed enough to change, though if I used it exclusively for varmint hunting/etc, I'd probably do the upgrade
Post by: FC on January 20, 2011, 10:32:32 AM
The standard AR15 trigger can not be modified.
Not strictly true there, I have one that I "modified" down under 2 lbs before I started getting light strikes, no argument on the Rock River NM trigger though, I ended up putting one in mine since I needed to replace the old after over-modifying :chuckle: and the RRA NM is a very consistent and dependable 2 stage trigger.
Post by: chrisb on January 20, 2011, 11:05:49 AM
Post by: timberghost72 on January 20, 2011, 11:21:47 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on January 20, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
Post by: DRobnsn on January 20, 2011, 12:00:13 PM
Drop $9 on JP springs, the yellow ones. It will make your trigger about 50% of factory and is an easy 10 minute job.... IMO I'd stay away from the '15 minute trigger job' that is internet famous
Just curious what you don't like about it? I used this technique for my original springs, keep in mind I had already ordered the JP springs after all there only 9 dollars. I did not use the technique on the sear though I pulled it out of the gun and used a polishing wheel on a Dremel with a very light polishing compound. As to not remove any metal just polish what was there. With both these modifications my S&W M&P went from 7-8 lbs unpredictably to a consistent 4.25 lbs. Still has some creep in it but its much smoother. The JP springs are in the mail so there not in it yet.
I agree you can't go wrong with a Timney aftermarket trigger. Wish I had the money to put one in every gun I have.
Post by: chrisb on January 20, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
Just curious what you don't like about it? I used this technique for my original springs, keep in mind I had already ordered the JP springs after all there only 9 dollars. I did not use the technique on the sear though I pulled it out of the gun and used a polishing wheel on a Dremel with a very light polishing compound. As to not remove any metal just polish what was there. With both these modifications my S&W M&P went from 7-8 lbs unpredictably to a consistent 4.25 lbs. Still has some creep in it but its much smoother. The JP springs are in the mail so there not in it yet.
I agree you can't go wrong with a Timney aftermarket trigger. Wish I had the money to put one in every gun I have.
I'm just not comfortable with the long term reliability of bent/shortened springs. The polishing of the sear and hammer are not really a concern to me as that makes sense, but the bending or cutting of springs doesn't sit well with me.
Post by: FC on January 20, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
bending or cutting of springs doesn't sit well with me.
It really doesn't hurt anything, the worst possible outcome of this with an AR's trigger is light strikes.
Post by: Straight Shooter on January 20, 2011, 03:23:17 PM
Post by: Big10gauge on January 20, 2011, 03:59:05 PM
Post by: sooperfly on January 20, 2011, 04:38:48 PM
Just fantastic, never heard a single bad thing about them.... Some of their models are rather expensive, but in my opinion worth it.
http://geissele.com/ (http://geissele.com/)
Post by: chrisb on January 21, 2011, 08:40:49 AM
It really doesn't hurt anything, the worst possible outcome of this with an AR's trigger is light strikes.
True... and the same exists with the JP springs if using commie surplus ammo, but it's just one of those things that i'm not comfortable with for an unexplainable reason.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 21, 2011, 08:47:51 AM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on January 21, 2011, 08:48:43 AM
The standard AR15 trigger can not be modified. Don't even try. The only result will be an unsafe trigger.
Not true... But you had better know what you are doing. ;)
Bill Springfield can modify yours or I believe you can buy a drop in. www.triggerwork.net (http://www.triggerwork.net)
Post by: undertoad on January 22, 2011, 05:02:06 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 22, 2011, 05:29:37 PM
My gunsmith said he got my trigger from Rock River Arms for $75 dealer cost for my RRA. So I'm thinking one of the mfgrs that make good aftermarket kits probably made this one. :twocents: Ya think ?
No, The RRA two stage NM trigger is a completely different animal from the Timney or Jewell triggers. They integrate with the stock parts to make a stock AR legal in the military class rifle matches. The other options are self-contained trigger/hammer units that are not National Match legal. 3 of the 4 AR lowers I own are ones I built from stripped lowers and using RRA complete parts kits. The parts kits at the time were $130, with the NM trigger components. But if you already had a complete lower, you could get just the NM trigger parts for $70. I haven't looked on the RRA website to see what the cost of the parts are now. I got mine a couple of years ago.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 22, 2011, 05:50:51 PM
My gunsmith said he got my trigger from Rock River Arms for $75 dealer cost for my RRA. So I'm thinking one of the mfgrs that make good aftermarket kits probably made this one. :twocents: Ya think ?
No, The RRA two stage NM trigger is a completely different animal from the Timney or Jewell triggers. They integrate with the stock parts to make a stock AR legal in the military class rifle matches. The other options are self-contained trigger/hammer units that are not National Match legal. 3 of the 4 AR lowers I own are ones I built from stripped lowers and using RRA complete parts kits. The parts kits at the time were $130, with the NM trigger components. But if you already had a complete lower, you could get just the NM trigger parts for $70. I haven't looked on the RRA website to see what the cost of the parts are now. I got mine a couple of years ago.
The cost for mine online was $125, but my buddy is a dealer so it was $70 he told me. I bought the RRA from him complete and I wanted a lighter trigger. He said it was the whole trigger and not parts. I no nothing about these rascals. Load, shoot, clean. :chuckle:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 22, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 22, 2011, 06:31:39 PM
Post by: GreyWolf on January 22, 2011, 06:51:06 PM
I have sent 2 of my AR triggers to him & they came back GREAT! If you send him your trigger group it will cost about $50. I have a 4 lbs & a 3 lbs and you can really feel the difference between the two. They defiantly helped me get a tighter shot group.
http://www.triggerwork.net/ (http://www.triggerwork.net/)
I will eventually send every trigger group of every gun I own to him. Not only is his work great, he knows EXACTLY what he is doing & he is a nice guy.
Post by: FC on January 23, 2011, 02:04:56 AM
The gunsmith that put it in is an Armorer for the Border Patrol here. He really liked the feel of the trigger and wants 1/8 groups or bullseyes all the time. Double tap up near the border will scare off the greenies I'm sure. It's only a coyote gun ( for now ). :chuckle: :chuckle:
Haha, next time you should take the 5 minutes to put the trigger together yourself! It's a really simple operation and would give you a greater understanding of how your rifle works. Nothing to it with an RRA NM, just assemble, hose it out to make sure you haven't left any grit, put a couple drops of oil in it and slap the upper on.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 23, 2011, 07:47:50 AM
Post by: GregMcFadden on January 23, 2011, 10:42:08 AM
Post by: actionshooter on January 23, 2011, 11:16:28 AM
These are hands down the best trigger for an AR-15 I've ever owned. The military is probably their biggest customer.
Just fantastic, never heard a single bad thing about them.... Some of their models are rather expensive, but in my opinion worth it.
http://geissele.com/ (http://geissele.com/)
These are some of the better triggers on the market, I'm runnung RRA national match triggers in my comp guns right now, but if I were to switch.
Post by: luv2shoot on January 28, 2011, 08:29:01 PM
This is a pretty good write up on after market triggers for AR's
Post by: snowranger on January 30, 2011, 09:12:28 AM
Post by: vmkeith on February 07, 2011, 10:10:03 PM
http://triggerwork.net/index.html (http://triggerwork.net/index.html)