Post by: jeepster on January 29, 2011, 11:28:56 PM
what do it do? i have no problem telling him to take a hike and keeping the 2 guns for myself. i guess this is an issue of morality...
they were probably passed down to him.... but a felon lost his rights to guns....
and my ""sister"" might as well toss em off the bridge.
Post by: seth30 on January 29, 2011, 11:30:41 PM
Post by: christopheri on January 29, 2011, 11:36:53 PM
Post by: huntergreg on January 29, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on January 29, 2011, 11:46:37 PM
I know, I know- my third point may be far fetched and you can probably defend yourself just fine but wether someone knocks your head or you knock theirs the situation could be avoided all together by just staying out of this one.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 29, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Post by: NWBREW on January 29, 2011, 11:58:49 PM
Post by: follow maggie on January 30, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
Post by: mkcj on January 30, 2011, 12:30:13 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2011, 12:47:03 AM
Post by: rasbo on January 30, 2011, 05:27:16 AM
Post by: dad98684 on January 30, 2011, 06:31:26 AM
Why not pay him what they are worth, and keep them?
:yeah:
Post by: Lincoln4 on January 30, 2011, 06:33:53 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 30, 2011, 06:43:27 AM
Dude... I'm just saying, stay the hell away from this situation. :bdid:
Exactly. Stay far away...
Post by: Special T on January 30, 2011, 07:28:23 AM
Post by: FALFire on January 30, 2011, 07:37:58 AM
If you turn them in for confiscation, depending on what that particular police agency does with confiscated firearms, they will either be destroyed or sold to a gun store for new firearms for that police agency.
As long as they are not stolen and it is certainly easy to have them checked. Just be vague with the info when the police ask you where you got them. Just tell them you got them from a guy that was going through some tough times and wanted to make sure they were not stolen. If they turn out to be stolen, provide the LEO with all the info on the chitbird that gave them to you. That way the LEO can confirm the guys name and current living residence, The Grey Bar Motel.
Bottom line though, it boils down to your own personal morals, if it makes you feel uncomfortable then turn them in. If you can sleep at night, then.................. :dunno:
Post by: BallisticsNut on January 30, 2011, 08:40:38 AM
Lets think about this for a second. Lets say these guns were used in the commission of a crime? Your in possession of these guns, guess what YOUR GOING TO JAIL! DA! Lets say these guns are stolen, YOUR GOING TO JAIL!, lets say you just hold onto them for a goodness sake, keep them away from this felon guy. You know, do the right thing. Tell that to a Cop when he asks, YOUR GOING TO JAIL! Ok, lets not doing anything at all, let the Felon hold onto them himself or better yet let him deal with his own problems. You find out later he killed someone or used the guns in the commission of another crime. Can you live with yourself at this point. Tell the cops this and guess what YOU GO TO JAIL!
Take the flipping guns, call the flippin Cops and turn them over. Dont be an idiot, dont give gun control lobbyist more reasons to take away your legal guns, dont put your family at risk, be part of the solution, turn the guns over to the authorities!
Ban me if you may, this is crazy talk going on here! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bdid:
Post by: BigD on January 30, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Post by: snowranger on January 30, 2011, 08:55:17 AM
Post by: Elk-aholic on January 30, 2011, 09:02:49 AM
the guy has stolen yachts and high value cars and deals drugs.... he wants me to hold onto his 2 firearms... a winchester 30/30 and a stevens shotgun...... what do i do? we dont aprove of him or like him and he deserves his fate.... he is in his early 20s and my group of friends doesnt trust him.... the shotgun is a mantle piece, but the 30/30 is quality... i dont want to be a thief myself.... but it doesnt feel right knowing he [being a felon] has guns and we know he doesnt have any intention to hunt... they were his before he became a felon so they were legally obtained, but he cant legally own them.... its illegal for him to have them, but i am not a thief... his familly also has legal problems and cant own firearms... but after all he is an obscure boyfriend of a sister-like friend... so... technicaly its not theft...
what do it do? i have no problem telling him to take a hike and keeping the 2 guns for myself. i guess this is an issue of morality...
they were probably passed down to him.... but a felon lost his rights to guns....
and my ""sister"" might as well toss em off the bridge.
Do you really want to deal with this headache??? Just give the guns back to his parents and tell him not to come around anymore. Going out of your way to try and F*** him over is not right either, It sounds like the kid will end up in prison soon enough anyway without your help.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 30, 2011, 09:04:15 AM
Post by: oneezreiter on January 30, 2011, 09:06:26 AM
Post by: Bofire on January 30, 2011, 09:20:18 AM
Carl :hello:
Post by: Bean Counter on January 30, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
I hope the mods don't delete this thread. it may get heated but its definitely relAted to firearms, hunting rights, and good vs bad advice.
Post by: Jason on January 30, 2011, 10:09:32 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 30, 2011, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on January 30, 2011, 03:42:47 PM
"stay away from this situation". Geese, you guys are unflippin believeable!
Thanks for the kind words BallisticsNut.
Apparently I wasn't clear enough for you... I should have been more clear... So here goes...
Why would you even consider placing yourself in this situation. There is a reason he cannot have firearms anymore. Let's start with, you should not have taken the weapons. You are only giving this loser an opportunity to get into your life and screw it up. Now you need to give them to the authorities. Seems like the PoPo would be happy to take them from a citizen concerned that if he didn't accept them, the bad man would just find a way to keep them unlawfully. While I choose not to believe that you have ill intent in keeping them, you can't.
Better? :hello:
Rant Over...
Post by: GreyWolf on January 30, 2011, 05:08:42 PM
:yeah:
I say the same. To take them in the first place was the problem starter.
Now what? Unless you are a criminal yourself, you only have ONE ANSWER!!!
I had to do this for my mother before. Her old boyfriend had a shotgun & a revolver stashed in her house so I went over made sure they were unloaded, drove them to the PD, LEFT THE GUNS IN THE CAR, went inside got an officer to come outside with me to get them, we went back in the PD with the guns, I left him my info & I went home.
Call the police & tell them you have 2 firearms in your house that you do not want, they do not belong to you or your family & you would like to turn them in.
DO WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT! PROTECT YOURSELF! DO NOT LIVE A LIFE IN FEAR! THE BOYFRIEND WONT BE AROUND LONG ANYWAY!
Post by: Jamieb on January 30, 2011, 05:18:10 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 30, 2011, 05:21:26 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 30, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 30, 2011, 05:38:21 PM
Post by: high country on January 30, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 30, 2011, 06:14:27 PM
I don't know all about the legality etc, just saying how I think I'd handle it. I wouldn't consider "holding" unless for a dearly loved blood relative. :twocents:
Post by: BallisticsNut on January 30, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Guys, I don't see the reason to shut this down at all as long as folks treat each other with respect. Ballisticnuts could show a bit more respect for forum members...No reason to call people names or insinuate that they are dishonest.... They just have a different opinion.
My bad, I apologize. I was just FLOORED with all the comments relating to a dishonest or decieitful action/suggestion. Got my goat and my blood pressure up. Ill be more careful next time around.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 30, 2011, 08:57:52 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 30, 2011, 09:05:07 PM
Guys, I don't see the reason to shut this down at all as long as folks treat each other with respect. Ballisticnuts could show a bit more respect for forum members...No reason to call people names or insinuate that they are dishonest.... They just have a different opinion.
:yeah:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on January 30, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Guys, I don't see the reason to shut this down at all as long as folks treat each other with respect. Ballisticnuts could show a bit more respect for forum members...No reason to call people names or insinuate that they are dishonest.... They just have a different opinion.
My bad, I apologize. I was just FLOORED with all the comments relating to a dishonest or decieitful action/suggestion. Got my goat and my blood pressure up. Ill be more careful next time around.
I didn't vote cause I would not touch this. However, sometimes people believe it or not, are charged with stuff, not yet convicted, and are not supposed to have a firearm. So, if I understand the question, if a person charged is not to have a firearm, and wants to give it to you, would you take possession? I say, don't get involved. If YOU choose to get involved, and they are convicted, don't give them back or you can be charged. I think that is the idea of, "would you take them" and the response, don't give them back, (Or you may be talking to :police: )
Post by: uncoolperson on January 30, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
dude, stay away... There arn't too many ways you holding on to your sisters boyfriends gun can turn out good, and about a bagillion ways it'll turn up bad/being a huge crazy hassle (what happens when/if they break up?).
It's not your problem to solve, maybe offer some "here's what I'd do" advice, but beyond that you're asking for a headache down the road. maybe tell him to donate them to whoever does hunters ed round there, or if they are awesome pieces to a museum of some sort (the winny [if it's old] and the cody museum comes to mind).
Post by: lokidog on January 30, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Some people have a felony on their record and are not bad people....
Post by: Fishnclifff on January 31, 2011, 10:45:09 PM
If the court confiscated them, he could asign someone to hold them until he is legally allowed to possess them.
If he is in violation of the law now, and gives them to you,you are putting yourself between a rock and a hard palce. if they are stolen, you get receiving stolen goods. if you give them back, he can claim they were yours and you supplied him with them.
huge can of ugly**s worms here.
Give them back, if you have them, and run, forest, run.
Post by: BallisticsNut on February 01, 2011, 06:08:00 AM
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Give them back, if you have them, and run, forest, run.
See, here is were I am irritated by all this "give them back" stuff. In his topic, he says "my "sisters" boyfriend is a FELON"!. The key word is FELON. It is illegal for anyone convicted of a felony to even have a gun in his possession. So once you have them, you can NOT give them back! Legally. So, why even consider the idea of providing a felon with guns even if he owned them to begin with? Once you take possession of these guns, you take possession of the responsibility of these guns. You can not give them back. You can purchase them from him and legally transfer them if they are legal guns. Even that is doubtful if he is already a convicted felon.
This is why our gun laws are constantly changing and more laws are put in place for "gun control". These types of things, legal gun owners giving guns to felons. You just add fuel to the fire for the gun control lobbyist. Dont play the I didnt know card either, ignorance is not a reason to break the law. Please understand what it is you are suggesting and the implications down the road if this situation goes south or some lobbyist reads these posts. He/She can easily say, "its commonplace for legal gun owners to give felons guns" and site this forum topic as an example.
This may seem like a far fetched example, but these discussions are closer to the norm then you may think. So please THINK before you react!
(ok, was that nice enough?)
Post by: BallisticsNut on February 01, 2011, 06:59:40 AM
Washington RCW 9.41.080
Delivery to ineligible persons.
No person may deliver a firearm to any person whom he or she has reasonable cause to believe is ineligible under RCW 9.41.040 to possess a firearm. Any person violating this section is guilty of a class C felony, punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.080 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.080)
Washingon RCW 9.41.040
Unlawful possession of firearms — Ownership, possession by certain persons — Penalties.
(1)(a) A person, whether an adult or juvenile, is guilty of the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the first degree, if the person owns, has in his or her possession, or has in his or her control any firearm after having previously been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity in this state or elsewhere of any serious offense as defined in this chapter.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.040 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.040)
Post by: 400out on February 01, 2011, 07:06:18 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 01, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
I say call the local PD and have the numbers checked, if they come back clean offer to give a little ( key word LITTLE) money for them! keeps you safe and you can't go wrong with cheap guns :twocents:
Have them checked and buy them. On another note, didn't I read this was a Sister Like persons boyfriend? I'd be thinking about cutting ties with both from what I've read :twocents:
Post by: jstone on February 01, 2011, 09:05:39 AM
Post by: Straight Shooter on February 01, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Post by: high country on February 01, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Post by: FC on February 01, 2011, 12:28:01 PM
If you both fill out the batf paperwork, you are getting free guns. Dude gives you any grief down the road and he goes back to the pokey. Like I said earlier.....btdt. I ended up with a bunch of guns that would have gone to confiscation and been destroyed. My liability was simple, under no circumstances could I deliver the guns back to that guy.
Smartest answer in this thread right here, I hit "view results" on the poll and about puked.
Post by: sticky on February 03, 2011, 02:03:43 PM
"What are you going to do, tell the cops I stole your dope?"
Enjoy your two new guns.
Post by: thinkingman on February 03, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
I am so going to get flamed for this one. First off, wow can I say just WOW!! What a bunch of dishonest coniving people in this forum. "Just keep them", "dont give them back", "be vague in telling the police", "stay away from this situation". Geese, you guys are unflippin believeable!Beat me to it.....this is obvious to me and Ballisticsnut
Lets think about this for a second. Lets say these guns were used in the commission of a crime? Your in possession of these guns, guess what YOUR GOING TO JAIL! DA! Lets say these guns are stolen, YOUR GOING TO JAIL!, lets say you just hold onto them for a goodness sake, keep them away from this felon guy. You know, do the right thing. Tell that to a Cop when he asks, YOUR GOING TO JAIL! Ok, lets not doing anything at all, let the Felon hold onto them himself or better yet let him deal with his own problems. You find out later he killed someone or used the guns in the commission of another crime. Can you live with yourself at this point. Tell the cops this and guess what YOU GO TO JAIL!
Take the flipping guns, call the flippin Cops and turn them over. Dont be an idiot, dont give gun control lobbyist more reasons to take away your legal guns, dont put your family at risk, be part of the solution, turn the guns over to the authorities!
Ban me if you may, this is crazy talk going on here! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bdid:
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 03, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
BallisticsNut , thank you for your input. i am smarter now thanks to you.
Post by: GWP on February 04, 2011, 09:03:44 AM
Knew a guy hooked on drugs that ended up killing three people by beating them to death. You want that guy to come knocking on your door when you least expect it? Unprepared? And he wants his guns back NOW? Oh, and by the way, there are two other guys with him. They already have their guns back. They are pointed at YOU.
Not to mention the law. Are you willing to risk YOUR right to have firearms taken away for helping this guy?
"They were handed down through his family." Right. Sure. Ok. You bet. He is trustworthy after all! "Officer! He said they were!"
Never should have agreed to take them in the first place, should give them back to the 'sister', or turn them in. Good grief. :bdid:
Post by: Lincoln4 on February 04, 2011, 09:48:36 AM
:hello:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 04, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
As a recruiter, I hear stories like this all the time. Usually when someone is explaining some f$@#ed up charge that will keep them out of the military:
"so, there was this guy that asked me to hold onto his __________ for him..." (you fill in the blank; pistol, rifle, TV, stereo...etc...)
Get out of the situation as quickly as you can.. :bdid:
Post by: woodswalker on February 04, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
This guy and your "sister-like-friend" sound like BAD BAD BAD news to me....I'd get shut of them so fast it would make your head spin.