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Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2011, 11:44:28 AM
Actually I am on Savage's web site right now looking at options. I have really wanted to build a 338 edge, which would require a 300 ultra mag purchase and then more parts? Not sure this will be my direction after more thought. Really looking torwards the 6.5x284 or 300wsm. My brother in law has a howa in a 270wsm and it has proven to be a very good shooter.
There's a few threads on here: http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php (http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php) regarding the .338 Edge buildup from a Savage action. It's not that bad. Assuming you're talking long range shooting anyway, I assume a little building will be done.
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Post by: bobcat on February 01, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
You might as well go with the 338 Edge if that's what you really want. The 300 WSM is not much faster than the 30-06. Not that it's not a good elk cartridge, but you want something for long range, and you said you already have a 270 (which will shoot just as far as a 300 WSM).
The 6.5x284 would be good, but again, you said it's for long range AND elk hunting, so you might as well go big. :twocents:
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 01, 2011, 12:12:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 01, 2011, 12:24:56 PM
What about a 7mm mag can't believe it hasn't come up yet.
??? For long range shooting? It's barely any better than a 30-06. :stirthepot: (unless you're talking the 7mm Rem Ultra mag)
Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2011, 12:26:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 01, 2011, 12:27:29 PM
And are they shooting standard 7mm Rem Mags? Or STW/Ultra Mags?
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Post by: D-Rock425 on February 01, 2011, 12:51:19 PM
How far do they shoot elk? (I've never seen the show)I thought they use mostly the 7mm rem mag. They offer one on their web site. I've seen those guys shoot everything from grizzly and moose to deer.
And are they shooting standard 7mm Rem Mags? Or STW/Ultra Mags?
Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
How far do they shoot elk? (I've never seen the show)
And are they shooting standard 7mm Rem Mags? Or STW/Ultra Mags?
I saw one shot at 900something yards...standard 7 rem mag's. 168 grain Berger's I think.
I can't get on the Berger site here at work due to the lame firewall.
Longrange7mm on here should chime in...he knows that stuff a hell of a lot better than I do.
Post by: Huntboy on February 01, 2011, 01:10:11 PM
http://seattleguns.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33522 (http://seattleguns.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33522)
Post by: 270Shooter on February 01, 2011, 03:24:36 PM
How far do they shoot elk? (I've never seen the show)Way too far
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Post by: Hyde on February 01, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
Everything else is after those (IMHO), but I'm an old school kind of guy.
Post by: Bob33 on February 01, 2011, 09:27:45 PM
How far is "far" is a question you'll have to answer for yourself. To many, 300 yards is far while to others 1000 yards is close.
The very long range (800+ yards) hunters tend to favor heavier bullets like .338 because of their retained energy, and also the high ballistic coefficients that some of the bullets have.
You can certainly kill elk at ridiculously long ranges with standard calibers like a 270 and 30-06. Carlos Hathcock was a famous Vietnam sniper who had 93 recorded kills. He shot a 30-06 that was later determined to shoot about 2 MOA. I sure would not want to be within 800 yards of his 30-06. Faster bullets shoot flatter. Heavier bullets retain more energy.
In reality, the vast majority of regular elk hunters kill elk at distances less than 300 yards. At those distances, any caliber can work well.
A good 300 or 338 Magnum would be tough to beat.
Post by: thurman on February 01, 2011, 09:40:03 PM
Jeremy 925 yard elk! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4o6n6rRlQs#)
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Post by: Schwag173 on February 02, 2011, 12:03:26 AM
Currently I am interested in a few calibers (300WSM/338EDGE/6.5X284/7MMSTW). Opinions?
Since you mention cartridges that are off the beaten track (except .300WSM) let me suggest 7mm Weatherby Magnum. It's a 'niche' cartridge, but it might fit the bill of what you're looking for. About 10 years ago I decided to replace my .30-'06 for elk duty. I wanted something with a longer/flatter reach and more ft-lbs downrange without the recoil of a howitzer. After a lot of research I chose the 7mm WM and picked up a brand-new Weatherby Mark V Ultralightweight off Gunbroker.com for $930. After (true) freefloating the barrel and working up a load (Sierra 165gr Gamekings) I was grouping 4.5" at a lased 500 yard distance. It did a nice job on an Idaho spike bull at 361 yards. Felt recoil is the same or less than a friend's Winchester 70 .270. I have since added an identical rifle in .300 Weatherby Magnum, but I can't let the 7mm WM go. It's just too elegant. And if anyone says it's no different from the 7mm Remington Mag, they're wrong. On average, you can safely handload about another 200fps out of the Weatherby. I'll admit that an animal won't know the difference between the two, but the extra fps helps the Weatherby shoot a little flatter than the Remington. Just my $0.02 worth.
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2011, 09:14:19 AM
When you open the old school book on ELK, the 338 Win Mag is on page one. Page two is the 300 Win Mag. (Not by much)
Everything else is after those (IMHO), but I'm an old school kind of guy.
I've got one of each.
8)
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Post by: TeacherMan on February 02, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
How far do they shoot elk? (I've never seen the show)
And are they shooting standard 7mm Rem Mags? Or STW/Ultra Mags?
standard 7mm mag and take animals consistantly out to 1000yds! 168gr. loads.
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Post by: MtnMuley on February 03, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
How far do they shoot elk? (I've never seen the show)
And are they shooting standard 7mm Rem Mags? Or STW/Ultra Mags?
I saw one shot at 900something yards...standard 7 rem mag's. 168 grain Berger's I think.
I can't get on the Berger site here at work due to the lame firewall.
Longrange7mm on here should chime in...he knows that stuff a hell of a lot better than I do.
For the most part, those boys shoot 7mm Rem mags with 168 berger vlds. Giant BC's with that bullet.
Post by: jstone on February 03, 2011, 04:43:19 PM
Post by: woodswalker on February 03, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
When you open the old school book on ELK, the 338 Win Mag is on page one. Page two is the 300 Win Mag. (Not by much)
Everything else is after those (IMHO), but I'm an old school kind of guy.
I've got one of each.
8)
And my 30-06...
Post by: millertime89 on February 03, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
They aren't cheap but man, they do some damage especially if you need a long range weapon :twocents:
Post by: 204chucknorris on February 04, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Post by: woodrat on February 04, 2011, 07:46:12 PM
I'm in the middle of building another Masuer, in 6.5 Swede, and I think that would also be a totally adequate elk rifle.
And who knows how many elk have been taken in the last 100 years with a 30-30? And a boring old 30-06 should cover almost any reasonable elk hunting scenarios as well.
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Post by: SkookumHntr on February 04, 2011, 09:33:51 PM
300 WSM Browning A-bolt. Love it!:yeah: Tuff to beat that gun!
Post by: p-ohana on February 06, 2011, 02:46:35 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 10, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
What about a 7mm mag can't believe it hasn't come up yet.
??? For long range shooting? It's barely any better than a 30-06. :stirthepot: (unless you're talking the 7mm Rem Ultra mag)
7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.
.338 would be my choice. I shoot one myself and like it. It'll shoot heavy bullets in timber and light bullets in open country. All good.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 10, 2011, 02:18:43 PM
7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.
I figure this statement right here is the most likely one of the thread so far to start a battle... :chuckle:
I shoot the '06, but knew a guy who was so in love with his favorite round he swore his 7mm RemMag all but had the steaks cut and wrapped by the time you got the the elk.
Either one is a good elk round, especially if you use heavy-for-caliber bullets in the '06 (no lighter than 180's in a good bullet). But really, the gun doesn't do the hunting, the hunter does. Just do your part to get as close as you can and put a good bullet in the right spot. To paraphrase what Bob33 said in another thread "the elk aren't smart enough to know the difference."
Post by: Wacenturion on February 10, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Post by: Curly on February 10, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
No not 1000 yard elk hunting, just fun 1000 yard shooting. The gun will more than likely be some sort of caliber for this year and then a 338 edge next year just cuz!
Then get a fast 7mm type of rifle (RUM, STW, etc) now and then next year the 338EDGE. 7mm bullets and .338 bullets have really high BC's so that is where I'd look. :twocents:
Post by: LincolnTWilliams on February 11, 2011, 01:01:38 PM
No not 1000 yard elk hunting, just fun 1000 yard shooting. The gun will more than likely be some sort of caliber for this year and then a 338 edge next year just cuz!
Then get a fast 7mm type of rifle (RUM, STW, etc) now and then next year the 338EDGE. 7mm bullets and .338 bullets have really high BC's so that is where I'd look. :twocents:
There it is! I was looking for someone to mention high balistic coefiecients.
The 338rum is on my list of "I need/just want" rifles. Any one have one that is not broke? Recoil is supposed to be intense. That video clip of elk taken with a 6.5x284 is impressive but that bullet is carying so little energy at that distance it scares me. When I shot my bull this year I plugged him with my new 375Ruger, I know shot placement is everything but when you pull the trigger on that thing there is a sence of confidence that is carried by that 260 gr. Accubon.
I'd stick with 30 cal or larger. And a case that will push whatever you are shooting 3000 fps or faster.
Post by: sakoshooter on February 11, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
My point is: When you're looking at long distance big game performance, ignore muzzle velocity and muzzle energy values. Do the math and look at the figures for calibers and bullet weights past 200 + 300yds. Then you'll see that heavier bullets and larger calibers win the discussion.
I'd also recommend a muzzle break unless you're comfortable shooting heavy calibers. I shoot my .338 much better and certainly enjoy it more since I had a good muzzle break installed. Some of my hand loads shoot sub MOA out of my Rem 700 w/glass bedded/free floated barrel and I can actually do it on a regular basis knowing it's not going to beat the tar out of me.
Also, practice.
Post by: gunnarnewt on February 14, 2011, 12:00:57 PM
Post by: Buckjunkie on February 14, 2011, 10:43:15 PM
It isn't as important on a small bull that isn't excited, but you don't always get to choose the situation. If you have to take a quartering shot at a big bull that is on the move, you have to break them down. Trying to break the offside shoulder on a large bull is no small task.
I would consider a .284 caliber with a 160gr bullet at 3000FPS to be the minimum. I know all you 270 lovers out there wont like this, but it is only one mans opinion. I like the 300 Ultra with a bonded 180-200gr bullet, or my 8MM with 220 gr bullets.
Best of luck
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on February 14, 2011, 10:48:38 PM
get a 22-250
:llam: :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on February 14, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 15, 2011, 12:21:00 AM
7mm Mag is about on a par with the 30-06. But with a lot more recoil.
I figure this statement right here is the most likely one of the thread so far to start a battle... :chuckle:
I shoot the '06, but knew a guy who was so in love with his favorite round he swore his 7mm RemMag all but had the steaks cut and wrapped by the time you got the the elk.
Either one is a good elk round, especially if you use heavy-for-caliber bullets in the '06 (no lighter than 180's in a good bullet). But really, the gun doesn't do the hunting, the hunter does. Just do your part to get as close as you can and put a good bullet in the right spot. To paraphrase what Bob33 said in another thread "the elk aren't smart enough to know the difference."
Petersen's Hunting magazine(last fall issue, month ?)had a humorous and sarcastic article in it titled something like '10 worst deer cartridges' or something like that. Anyhow, the 7mm mag was listed. A lot of noise and recoil for not much more than a 30-06 could give you with a lot less of both. I just happen to feel the same way. I gave the magazine to a guy in deer camp that shoots a 7mag. He even agreed.
Post by: sakoshooter on February 15, 2011, 12:30:42 AM
It should get closer to 2900fps but we'll see. I usually shoot 225gr TBBC bullets but thought I'd work up a good load with the 210gr Barnes.
Either will be good elk medicine.
Just playing.
Post by: rgalanti21 on March 06, 2011, 02:55:40 PM
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Post by: Curly on March 08, 2011, 12:12:17 PM
:)
Post by: MtnMuley on March 08, 2011, 12:53:08 PM
Don't even make me bring up the ole Lazz Warbird, Curly! :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2011, 01:15:34 PM
Yeah, I was waiting for a string of replies with faster, and faster cartridges......... :)
Post by: Schwag173 on March 08, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
OK, time for the heathens to hurl insults at us Weatherby snobs! :IBCOOL:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 09, 2011, 03:05:23 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72401.0;attach=136764;image)
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 09, 2011, 03:12:04 PM
I'm with CamoDup on this one. Sure, you can go .300 RUM, .30-378, yadda yadda yadda, BUT look at a reloading manual or two and you'll see how pathetically inefficient they are compared to the .300 Weatherby. For what a pound of gunpowder sells for these days, I'll take a Weatherby and not look back. To a lesser degree I'd say the same thing about the 7mm Weatherby Mag over the 7mm Rem Mag.
OK, time for the heathens to hurl insults at us Weatherby snobs! :IBCOOL:
I loaded for the 30-378 for years and years. Brother bought a RUM and it was way more efficeint that the WBY 30-378. Ten grains less powder yielded 130 more fps.
Goldilocks - "the 300 WBY is too cold, the 30-378 is too hot. The 300 RUM is just right."
Post by: alwinearcher on March 09, 2011, 03:14:06 PM
If you are interested in shooting them at a mile.....Heck ya buddy!
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72401.0;attach=136764;image)
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Post by: alwinearcher on March 11, 2011, 07:22:46 PM
I like that gun but the bolt being burried in your sholder would cause a problem :twocents: I go 300 wsm and love it! three shots three elk! just saying ;)
What kind of problems are you thinking? :dunno:
Post by: 400out on March 11, 2011, 07:36:25 PM
I was just looking at the bolt, being so far back and seeing a problem cycling rounds, but I would have to be behind it to know for sure ;)I like that gun but the bolt being burried in your sholder would cause a problem :twocents: I go 300 wsm and love it! three shots three elk! just saying ;)
What kind of problems are you thinking? :dunno:
Post by: alwinearcher on March 11, 2011, 07:42:43 PM
Gotcha,I was just looking at the bolt, being so far back and seeing a problem cycling rounds, but I would have to be behind it to know for sure ;)I like that gun but the bolt being burried in your sholder would cause a problem :twocents: I go 300 wsm and love it! three shots three elk! just saying ;)
What kind of problems are you thinking? :dunno:
Yeah, deff not a speed shooter..
Post by: Maligator on March 12, 2011, 02:01:26 AM