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Title: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jeepster on February 10, 2011, 01:11:52 AM
im gonna trade my 07 wrangler rubicon in for an older dodge 3/4ton with the cummins diesel. im looking at years 98-04... ive heard some of them had tranny issues.... what advice can you guys give when it comes to finding a dodge?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Stomper on February 10, 2011, 07:43:26 AM
Jeepster,stay away from any dodge that has been chipped.If it has been modified with a chip it most likely has been treated like a drag car.The old 12 valve cummins are built like a brick.If you are looking at the newer 24 valve go with a manual transmission and you won't have any troubles.If it was me i would look for a nice 12 valve,the engines are all mechanical no computers.If you want to build more power the motor takes well to more air and fuel.In which translates to more power and better fuel efficiency.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: MuleySniper on February 10, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
The 5.9 is an awesome motor. All the power you'll ever need without all the emissions crap. The only upgrade you might want to consider is a billet torque converter, other than that great truck. My dads has 120k on it and has had zero tranny problems. Tows a ton with it too. Automatic tranny, we tow a huge enclosed trailer, camp trailer, boats, flatbeds loaded down, anyway you get the point. Yeah, what he said though, I wouldn't buy one all modded up or from a kid though :twocents:
MS
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 08:13:03 AM
Ask if the lift pump has been done.  :twocents:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Hyde on February 10, 2011, 08:43:22 AM
First On Race Day.   :tup:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: kstrohn7 on February 10, 2011, 08:45:48 AM
I have an 05 with the 5.9 and really like the truck. Haul a horse trailer with it and have never had any problems. The 5.9 are great trucks, but are spendy now with all the new trucks having all the emissions crap.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: norsepeak on February 10, 2011, 08:46:13 AM
I had two 98's, both great trucks, lift pumps are an issue, but no big deal to change, and on the automatics folks have a tendency to tow in overdrive becuase of the power and that kills the trannies.  If you go with a manual, no problems.  I have an 06 right now with a manual, intake, exhaust and programmer and the thing has TONS of power for towing and gets around 20mpg.  Love the truck.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 08:47:14 AM
The newer the better as far as the transmission problems. I'd get an '04 if it was me.
I'd really get an early '07 with the 5.9 if it were me but......nevermind.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 09:05:28 AM
Early 98 or 03 and 04.
For what Stomper and Jackelope said.
Nothing worse than having a 98.5-02 and be driving down the road and getting the dead pedal syndrome because your engine is thirsty and your injection pump just took a dump.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: MuleySniper on February 10, 2011, 10:05:47 AM
First On Race Day.   :tup:

I always thought it was Found On Road Dead?
 :chuckle:
MS
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: SFD2015 on February 10, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
I own a 98 Dodge 3/4 Ton Diesel. LOVE IT! The transmission rumors are true, for automatics. The manual transmissions are pretty damn tough though. Over the past 2 years I have had the Lift Fuel pump, alternator and starter all replaced. I would definitely recommend getting a fuel pressure gauge (next up on my list) and staying away from the stock replacements for the lift fuel pump (Replace it with a better and probably more expensive pump for better results).

Dodges ride rough when empty, but put a load in it and it's a much smoother ride. Les Schwab has a great leveling kit for them. Stay away from the ones that are already jacked up.

Haven't replaced my clutch, yet.... but I am betting that it is next on the list. A full brake job costs around $600 and Oil changes are obviously more expensive (if you aren't doing them yourself).

Just my experience. I love my truck! I was in an accident in December and ended up having about $4000 worth of body work done on it, looks great now (at least the front right part of it does). Oh, the 98 doesn't come with front Tow hooks and it isn't very easy to attach them (This came into play when my Lift Fuel Pump went out while driving out of the mountains).
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: fair-chase on February 10, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
Not a big dodge fan but if I was to get one it would be a 1993 with the 12 valve and a manual trans.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: MP123 on February 10, 2011, 10:40:30 AM
Does anyone know what year they added that tank of secret fluid to get it to pass emmisions?  You know the one where you can't start the truck if the tank runs dry...

Was it '07? or '04?

I'd probably avoid that if possible...
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 10:48:01 AM
Does anyone know what year they added that tank of secret fluid to get it to pass emmisions?  You know the one where you can't start the truck if the tank runs dry...

Was it '07? or '04?

I'd probably avoid that if possible...

What tank of secret fluid are you referring too?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: sisu on February 10, 2011, 10:52:59 AM
I can say this. There are true Dodge Diesel Experts on this site. Get to know them & bounce ideas off of them. Also   www.dieseltruckresource.com (http://www.dieseltruckresource.com)  is a good site for information. There are others but this one seems to have a real active group that responds to questions.

I bought a quad cab 06 with a auto trany, 8 ft. bed. Happy with it but like all vehicles there will be things to repair, routine maintenance to do etc.

Once you have it read about YOUR truck so you know as much as you can. I have been reading but need to do more.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: sisu on February 10, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
Does anyone know what year they added that tank of secret fluid to get it to pass emmisions?  You know the one where you can't start the truck if the tank runs dry...

Was it '07? or '04?

I'd probably avoid that if possible...

He is talking about the urea aldehyde. I think it was required in all 09 or 2010 but not sure.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 11:06:04 AM
That's kinda what I thought he was refering to but was not sure.
At least through 2010's, Dodge's did not need urea to meet emissions standards.
I think 2011's do not either but I do believe it is coming in '12.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: MP123 on February 10, 2011, 11:07:31 AM
Yeah, that's it: Urea.

Sounds crazy but they inject it into the exhaust to cut down emmisions and the truck won't start without it.  I guess it might just be the really new ones that have it.  Another reason to get an older one  :)
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
That's kinda what I thought he was refering to but was not sure.
At least through 2010's, Dodge's did not need urea to meet emissions standards.
I think 2011's do not either but I do believe it is coming in '12.
Clarify..........
The 2500 and 3500 standard models do not.
The 3500, 4500 and 5500 cab and chassis models do have urea tanks beginning with the 2010 model years.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 11:26:34 AM
That's kinda what I thought he was refering to but was not sure.
At least through 2010's, Dodge's did not need urea to meet emissions standards.
I think 2011's do not either but I do believe it is coming in '12.

thats spot on. I posted in a different thread that it was 2011, but I was wrong. For regular passenger light duty trucks, it will be 2012 for Dodge. For medium duty and larger trucks, 2011. I believe(I'm a Dodge guy so I might be wrong) that 2011 Chev and Ford diesels are using it.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
Yeah, that's it: Urea.

Sounds crazy but they inject it into the exhaust to cut down emmisions and the truck won't start without it.  I guess it might just be the really new ones that have it.  Another reason to get an older one  :)

It's expected that a tank will last an oil change interval and then some, so it'll need to be topped off at that oil change interval. No big deal IMO.
The truck will default and will not run if the tank goes dry but will not shut off while driving.
 :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Alchase on February 10, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
The secret fluid "Urea" is a chemical compound found in urine,

It's expected that a tank will last an oil change interval and then some, so it'll need to be topped off at that oil change interval. No big deal IMO.
The truck will default and will not run if the tank goes dry but will not shut off while driving.
 :dunno:

So the jiffy lube guy gets to pi$$ in my truck  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 12:01:31 PM
The secret fluid "Urea" is a chemical compound found in urine,

It's expected that a tank will last an oil change interval and then some, so it'll need to be topped off at that oil change interval. No big deal IMO.
The truck will default and will not run if the tank goes dry but will not shut off while driving.
 :dunno:

So the jiffy lube guy gets to pi$$ in my truck  :rolleyes:
Only if he drank Bud Light the night before since urea is about 33% water.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 12:06:39 PM
I'm surprise no one asked WHY?? Why change? You want a camper or to tow a trailer or something?  Why a diesel?  Are you wanting to run bio fuel? is it gona be a lifted 4x4? purpose will determine what kind and vintage you should get... the 03 and newer are pretty good machines, but if you want to run home brew the common rail don't like it... the older trucks autos are fine if you are gona drive it like a car, even tho they are POS.. the older 5speed Sticks are ok UNLESS you pull heavy loads.. I spun the 5th gear off one tranny a 2000 i think, 5 times! the tranny is a 4 speed that they modified by replacing a nut with a gear.  :bash:  So whats the purpose? in one of your previous posts you mentioned going back to school... I've had 5 different dodges and all have pros and cons... I currently have the mini semi of the groop 1 ton 2wd dually with the 6 speed stick... great mileage and can tow more than you legally should!  ;)
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 12:09:52 PM
6x6x6 funny you mention the water.. When i was in shop class in HS we build a water tank with a carb jet/hose attachment that hung over the throat of the barrels of the carb.. The vacuum of running the engine would draw small amounts of water into the engine... Water expands more than air fuel so that if you get the right amount of water flowing in you get more power and fuel economy...
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Rick on February 10, 2011, 12:28:39 PM

 I believe(I'm a Dodge guy so I might be wrong) that 2011 Chev and Ford diesels are using it.


Thats correct.

The Fords have gained about 6mpg going to the 6.7 with urea vs. the 6.4
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
6x6x6 funny you mention the water.. When i was in shop class in HS we build a water tank with a carb jet/hose attachment that hung over the throat of the barrels of the carb.. The vacuum of running the engine would draw small amounts of water into the engine... Water expands more than air fuel so that if you get the right amount of water flowing in you get more power and fuel economy...

Add a little methanol to that water, and it gets even better in diesels.  Such as the windshield washer fluid that contains methanol injected with a multiple stage pump and jet system into the intake horn.
Kinda like a poor man's giggle gas.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 12:44:07 PM
Also cools the charge so intake temps don't get too high
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 12:49:27 PM
Yep!
Our aluminum pistons don't do so well with sustained heat in excess of 1300*.
Neither do the tips of the injectors.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 12:51:03 PM
which is why everybody should run and egt gauge, hell should be stock equipped
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
Fuel pressure gauge too.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 01:04:52 PM
6x6x6 funny you mention the water.. When i was in shop class in HS we build a water tank with a carb jet/hose attachment that hung over the throat of the barrels of the carb.. The vacuum of running the engine would draw small amounts of water into the engine... Water expands more than air fuel so that if you get the right amount of water flowing in you get more power and fuel economy...

Add a little methanol to that water, and it gets even better in diesels.  Such as the windshield washer fluid that contains methanol injected with a multiple stage pump and jet system into the intake horn.
Kinda like a poor man's giggle gas.

We had a dynomite diesel truck here with the methanol in the washer fluid reservoir...whoa...

Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 01:05:40 PM
Fuel pressure gauge too.

Judging by some of the trucks I see here, there's about 11 gauges you just gotta have.
 ;)


Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 01:17:42 PM
6x6x6 funny you mention the water.. When i was in shop class in HS we build a water tank with a carb jet/hose attachment that hung over the throat of the barrels of the carb.. The vacuum of running the engine would draw small amounts of water into the engine... Water expands more than air fuel so that if you get the right amount of water flowing in you get more power and fuel economy...

Add a little methanol to that water, and it gets even better in diesels.  Such as the windshield washer fluid that contains methanol injected with a multiple stage pump and jet system into the intake horn.
Kinda like a poor man's giggle gas.

We had a dynomite diesel truck here with the methanol in the washer fluid reservoir...whoa...



Lenny's black mega?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 01:23:11 PM
no...white one, quad cab..2008...Charlie somethingorother.
You can do a search on youtube and see it at the Moses tractor pulls. We did a warranty heater box repair on it.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
Jackalope... Why do you think dealers and Semi truck co like Freightliner, Motor trucks etc have such hard hard time with p/u truck diesels? I've taken my rig to all of the above and got BS answers and parts thrown at the truck... Everyone i've talked to said take it to a diesel shop like Dynomite Diesel...
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 01:34:20 PM
no...white one, quad cab..2008...Charlie somethingorother.
You can do a search on youtube and see it at the Moses tractor pulls. We did a warranty heater box repair on it.

Ok, I know who your talking about.

And the blend door repair huh?
My '05's starting to stick.  Not looking forward to that job. :(
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 01:41:16 PM
Jackalope... Why do you think dealers and Semi truck co like Freightliner, Motor trucks etc have such hard hard time with p/u truck diesels? I've taken my rig to all of the above and got BS answers and parts thrown at the truck... Everyone i've talked to said take it to a diesel shop like Dynomite Diesel...

I don't know what you mean. Dealers have what kind of problems? fixing the truck?
Dynomite has a really good reputation with diesel stuff. I guess if I had a diesel that needed work and I didn't work at the dealership, I'd take it to them too...but I don't know why a Dodge dealership would have problem fixing your Dodge truck. I've never been in a position to have to tell someone that. If you're talking performance upgrades and that sort of thing, then yeah, you're likely to not get too much help from a dealership. That puts us in an odd position should something go wrong. Even our Mopar Performance accessories don't carry any kind of warranty whatsoever and that stuff is sold by the dealer.

Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
I guess i just mean i have had lots of trouble with getting the diesel related stuff fixed at dealerships, and i've tried more than one... The dealerships did fine on the non engine related stuff... And i have heard my problems echoed by other diesel owners... Specifically fuel system issues pumps, injectors pressure vales and the such... and my rig is bone stock..   :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 01:56:21 PM
HUH....wierd..kind of I guess. I say that's a shop quality issue. We usually do pretty well fixing everything.  :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
 :iamwithstupid:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 02:01:06 PM
I guess i just mean i have had lots of trouble with getting the diesel related stuff fixed at dealerships, and i've tried more than one... The dealerships did fine on the non engine related stuff... And i have heard my problems echoed by other diesel owners... Specifically fuel system issues pumps, injectors pressure vales and the such... and my rig is bone stock..   :dunno:
You must have taken it to Karmart, which would explain your dealer service dissatisfaction. :chuckle:
Another alternative to DDP and might be little closer for you is http://www.dkdiesel.com/contact_us.php?osCsid=c040b8f1c024a01b6cbf4cc24caba9ac (http://www.dkdiesel.com/contact_us.php?osCsid=c040b8f1c024a01b6cbf4cc24caba9ac)
Good people, reasonably priced and have done me well wrenching on my trucks when I've been stumped or over my head.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 02:05:14 PM
A couple years ago I almost went to work for a place in Snohomish...I think it was Dynamic Diesel maybe?
Seemed like nice people, I couldn't speak for the quality of their work.

I wondered if Special T took his truck to Rairdons up there...I think they're in Bellingham.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
A couple years ago I almost went to work for a place in Snohomish...I think it was Dynamic Diesel maybe?
Seemed like nice people, I couldn't speak for the quality of their work.

I wondered if Special T took his truck to Rairdons up there...I think they're in Bellingham.


Diesel Dynamics, close enough..... 
I did have Rairdon's B-ham successfully diagnose and replace an injector at 25k after Karmart said it was bad fuel.  The white smoke and 1/4 over full on the dip stick made it kind of obvious though.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
A couple years ago I almost went to work for a place in Snohomish...I think it was Dynamic Diesel maybe?
Seemed like nice people, I couldn't speak for the quality of their work.

I wondered if Special T took his truck to Rairdons up there...I think they're in Bellingham.


Diesel Dynamics, close enough..... 
I did have Rairdon's B-ham successfully diagnose and replace an injector at 25k after Karmart said it was bad fuel.  The white smoke and 1/4 over full on the dip stick made it kind of obvious though.

Actualliy it was Dynamic Diesel
http://www.dynamicdiesel.com/ (http://www.dynamicdiesel.com/)
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 02:27:49 PM
My bad!  :(
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
No prob Bob...I had to google it too.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 02:30:42 PM
No prob Bob...I had to google it too.
 :chuckle:

LMAO........I did double check myself afterwards.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 10, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
i had an 04 and tranny went at 80k.  i soon found out that it was used as a fleet vehicle for an excavation company. So that tells me they were using it as a truck to haul some heavy chit.  i had no warning signs prior to it going out. the internal cooller in the radiator blew thus destroying the tranny.  my advice is to do a good car fax on it before you buy it.  find one that has all the maintenance paper work or records with the truck.  I will never buy another dodge. i would stick with the power stroke.  worse fuel mileage but you don't have the worries of the tranny.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 10, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
Carfax only works if things are reported to them, doesn't account for self repair or "cash" sales kind of stuff. Also doesn't mean repairs were done correctly.  :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: sisu on February 10, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
Josh there is  www.dynomitediesel.com (http://www.dynomitediesel.com)  as well in Monroe, WA.

Don't know a thing about them just figured I'd throw that out there.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 03:01:39 PM
i had an 04 and tranny went at 80k.  i soon found out that it was used as a fleet vehicle for an excavation company. So that tells me they were using it as a truck to haul some heavy chit.  i had no warning signs prior to it going out. the internal cooller in the radiator blew thus destroying the tranny.  my advice is to do a good car fax on it before you buy it.  find one that has all the maintenance paper work or records with the truck.  I will never buy another dodge. i would stick with the power stroke.  worse fuel mileage but you don't have the worries of the tranny.

2004's don't have transmission problems. Your radiator went south and that caused your trans to go south, and the truck was possibly abused.
Carfax is not reliable if you need something to trust, but it's the best you get. It will not show everything...not even close usually.

Josh there is  www.dynomitediesel.com (http://www.dynomitediesel.com)  as well in Monroe, WA.

Don't know a thing about them just figured I'd throw that out there.

Thats the place we were talking about earlier.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
I thought 48re's were the same.
What's the difference in an '04 version vs '03 or '05 for example?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 03:51:36 PM
I thought 48re's were the same.
What's the difference in an '04 version vs '03 or '05 for example?

I'm just getting at what I've said in the past. I see +/- 25 of these trucks a day and hardly ever repair internal trans hard parts on them. Wierd coincidence maye. We do the governor pressure sensor and transducer now and then but thats about it.
 :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: teal101 on February 10, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Mine might be up for sale soon.

98.5 24v sport auto ext cab with 96k on it.

It's been chipped and owned by a kid (me) :rolleyes: :P
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 10, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
I thought 48re's were the same.
What's the difference in an '04 version vs '03 or '05 for example?

I'm just getting at what I've said in the past. I see +/- 25 of these trucks a day and hardly ever repair internal trans hard parts on them. Wierd coincidence maye. We do the governor pressure sensor and transducer now and then but thats about it.
 :dunno:

Huh, strange.  Good stuff.
I wonder if it's because of the early 04's and 555 engine vs the later 04's and the 610's putting that little bit more hp and tq through the drive train?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 10, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
I thought 48re's were the same.
What's the difference in an '04 version vs '03 or '05 for example?

I'm just getting at what I've said in the past. I see +/- 25 of these trucks a day and hardly ever repair internal trans hard parts on them. Wierd coincidence maye. We do the governor pressure sensor and transducer now and then but thats about it.
 :dunno:

Huh, strange.  Good stuff.
I wonder if it's because of the early 04's and 555 engine vs the later 04's and the 610's putting that little bit more hp and tq through the drive train?
Dunno...sounds good though.
Lets go with it.
 :dunno:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Cylvertip on February 10, 2011, 04:21:27 PM
First On Race Day.   :tup:

I always thought it was Found On Road Dead?
 :chuckle:
MS


Doesn't dodge mean to avoid  :dunno:  If you get one of the older ones, I suggest...... ear plugs  Those early ones were LOU-OUD!
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: KFhunter on February 10, 2011, 05:10:09 PM
If you don't mind working on it, then do it.

with the model year you specified the major thing to go out is the lift pump, the pump that pushes fuel to the injection pump.

the VP44 is very intolerant to low fuel pressure, so if the lift pump gets weak it'll take out the injection pump.  I'd suggest you put a fuel pressure guage on it and watch it.
Also not a bad idea to just omit the lift pump and put in aftermarket electric pump like a fass system.

I have a 1995 12v,  I like the truck but sometimes I just don't wanna work on it


I got a long list of things I need to fix on it, still debating weither to doll it up or buy new.

oh ya +1 on DTR   awesome site has saved me lotsa $$  helping me figure chit out on my truck


If you do buy an older truck get one grandpa had, you'll see skinny ugly wheels/tires stock would be best. no lift kit, rusted up stock exhaust you get the idea. 
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: brush hunter on February 10, 2011, 06:10:15 PM
I would try to find a first gen. I bought my '91.5 new and haven't had any trouble. I have done a few mods.
If your looking for a good deisel site I would agree with TDR...If you want a better site try DieselRam.com
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: KFhunter on February 10, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
those 1st gens are nice trucks, my dad has one since new in like 91

gets great fuel economy too
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: lewy on February 10, 2011, 06:34:50 PM
sooo, all in all, whats the best year to buy? Im in the market as well, dont want a 1st gen tho. looking for a newer crew cab?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 07:44:14 PM
I currently have an 03 that i caught the lift pump going out before it blew up my injector pump. 03 have a an external lift pump POS IMO... Put the in the tank pump in so now it is just like my 05... I did take it to Kar-mart and no i'm not happy with them... I wouldn't let them change my oil! My folks take their Durango, Cruser and Sprinter Mini Winni up to Bellingham... They have been happy so far. I take my stuff to Dynomite Diesel in Monroe.. Its right behind the AM PM.. Chit ain't cheep but they don't throw parts at it like when i was corn holed by Kar mart and Motor trucks.... The "Suposed" Cumming dealership in Mt Vernon.  :bash:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jeepster on February 10, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
yeah im on the hunt for a 12valve...

 i love my jeep, but its more of a toy and at the price i pay a month for it... well its not the best use of my money. i wasnt thinking when i bought it.

im going to do what i should have just done in the first place and get a truck.

 the reasons why im after the dodge is no 1) cummins power, better fuel economy than most trucks,  and i want something i can work on easilly.  i have a boat, even though it in itself is not justification for a big truck, my little 20 footer maxes out my jeep for towing, and i have plans for a larger boat....

i understand that the dodge is a serious towing vehicle, and a gas 1/2 ton might work out just as well, but i dont know many engine lasting as long as the cummins.

  2nd choice is a Flipped Over Reservation Decortion  :chuckle: f250 crewcab

Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: KFhunter on February 10, 2011, 08:53:56 PM
Those 12v are getting spendy
I took mine to the dealer and they offered 7500 bucks trade in value, and the truck ain't no show queen
its a 1995 with 240k miles, auto x cab long bed 4x4
I did put in a billet TQ, upgraded VB and stainless steel clutch basket in the tranny

the engine is bone stock, and its a turd for power..but easy to fix I just hadn't done it. She really needs a 3k gov spring and #10 fuel plate and someone work some magic on the afe

needs a new exhaust, tailgate brackets, and front main seal.

the front DL yoke needs retorqued from the xfer case and the auto shop keeps telling me it needs a new U joint in the front axle
the KDP hasn't been done to my knowledge, for all I know it fell out and thats why it leaks oil, I sure hope it didn't punch a hole in my timing case cover (8+ hour job)
the injectors need pulled/cleaned or replaced

and I think I may have an air leak in the fuel preheater, its smokin pretty good on a cold start. I'll be deleting that but I'll leave the filter screen in place.

you get an older high mileage truck and you'll be having a story like that too, so seriously you'll need to do your own wrenching or you'll be pizzed off an broke.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 10, 2011, 09:00:03 PM
im gonna trade my 07 wrangler rubicon in for an older dodge 3/4ton with the cummins diesel. im looking at years 98-04... ive heard some of them had tranny issues.... what advice can you guys give when it comes to finding a dodge?
What do you owe on the Ruby?
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jeepster on February 10, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
too much... i bought it this time last year
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: gonehuntin68 on February 10, 2011, 10:18:40 PM
on 24v look out for the 53 block, i hear they crack but ive got one with just over 100,000 and its fine
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Cylvertip on February 11, 2011, 01:01:03 AM
those 1st gens are nice trucks, my dad has one since new in like 91

gets great fuel economy too

My brother in law bought one of the first ones out - I think it was HD 3/4 ton cause that's all they offered - he really wanted a 1 ton, but it was not offered - they wouldn't even do extended cab when they first came out cause the motor would rattle the frame in half.  Anyway his truck was a big red 4x4 he used for work.  He has a garage door business, so there was a nice matching canopy on the truck with racks on top.  There was always about a thousand pounds of tools and parts in the bed for doing service work, and we generally had a bunch of doors and hardware on the rack too.  Milage was great compared to the 460 he had been driving - 16 miles to gallon - no complaints on that.   It got 16 going up hill or down, loaded or empty, didn't matter.  Even towed a 6K lb forklift from Oregon to Rainier with it and guess what - 16 MPG.  The motor was strong and steady.  That's where the good ends.

It was loud.  We made insulated covers for the transfer case shifter it rattled so bad.  You litterally had to yell inside the cab while cruising down the road to have a conversation.  It was freaking like an oven in the cab too - very little if any insulation to keep the heat out. The thing would not get out of it's own way - 72 mph was top end, even loaded going down hill.  It had plenty of power, but that was all that anybody could get it to do - it went to several shops trying to get it to move, but to no avail.  The truck started rattling apart at 17K miles - that's when the front drivers side leaf spring fell off.  Front brakes were shot at 25K, truck bed started collapsing at about that same time along it splitting down the back end from the weight of the tail gate.  The truck was in the shop over 30 times the first year he had it.  Never seemed to be the same thing twice. Dodge would fix stuff, but something else would be wrong when he got it back.  By the time the truck was three years old it had been in close to 60 times.  Our guess was that Dodge had just slapped this motor in one of their gas truck bodies instead of developing one specifically for the Cummins, that's why it litterally fell apart. He tried to get it taken back under the lemon law but Chrysler weaseled out of it.  The last straw was when the rear main started leaking at 99,977 miles.  The truck had the 100K warranty on the running gear, so we headed for the dealer.  It was 26 miles to the dealer - we got there with 100,003 miles on the truck  - they wouldn't warranty it.  Tim was pissed to say the least. 

So, he did what he could do to fight back. 1) he ordered a GMC diesel and set it up the same way, and 2) he added 4 accessories to his big red truck.  It was a matching red Gemtop canopy on the truck -  a really beautiful truck that really stood out - it was a metal canopy. He had 4 yellow 18 inch magnetic lemons made and put two on each side of the canopy.  Tim has been in business since 77' and had ( and still does) a pretty good clientele at that time.  We ran all over Western Washington from Seattle South to Vancouver and from Packwood to Forks putting in doors and doing repairs.  A typical day would be 10 different jobs - a combination of new installs and service calls, and 100 to 150 miles on the rig per day.  Every where he went, if someone asked him what the lemons were for, he would take the 20 to 30 minutes to tell them the story of his truck.  His final thought on the truck that he would leave who ever it was with was about the add Dodge had done for those trucks - "Do you remember the add where they had that truck hanging from that crane in the gravel pit?  You know, where they dropped the truck and it landed and bounced and they told you it was Ram tough?  Well, they painted that F*cker red and they sold it to me!"  I know of at least 12 contractors that we worked with that were all going to by new trucks that year and most were leaning towards dodge until getting the run down - all but one bought Ford or GMC.  The one that bought Dodge ( again doesn't dodge mean "to avoid"?) bought the V-10 -  that's a whole nother story though.

The Lemon truck finally got t-boned at about 160K  - still was getting about 16 MPG.    That GMC had issues, but nothing like the dodge, not even close.  It finally gave up the ghost at like 220K. 

After how Chrysler treated the whole thing, he swore he would never buy another.  I agree and will hold that line as well - they and GMC put nails in the coffin in my book with the government bailout - I wont buy either  :twocents:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2011, 07:05:18 AM
Jeepster my little brother is working on a F250 logging road rollover... The cab and bed are shot.. So he is putting a 78 highboy cab on and making a flat bed... He said he gets to use all 78' cab stuff cause the ford's diesel is all mechanical, no computer.. Should be pretty sweet when he's done.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 11, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
Jeepster my little brother is working on a F250 logging road rollover... The cab and bed are shot.. So he is putting a 78 highboy cab on and making a flat bed... He said he gets to use all 78' cab stuff cause the ford's diesel is all mechanical, no computer.. Should be pretty sweet when he's done.

It must be an older truck(the rollover)...
 :dunno:

That sounds cool as hell
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2011, 07:23:32 AM
ya got it for $300  8) It was a logging crew bus so its has seen some hard miles. :o Its a runner tho. I think its a 90's 7.3??? mostly gona use it for towing the boat and car trailer... So he doesn't have to keep borrowing my Dodge.  :chuckle: He was a Ford dealer Mech for several years so if its not a Ford....
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2011, 07:31:15 AM
In response to Cylvertip's post...
"When the pleasure of low prices fades, the anger of poor service remains."
EVERY business has problems, its how they are dealt with that matters...
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 11, 2011, 10:06:14 AM
on 24v look out for the 53 block, i hear they crack but ive got one with just over 100,000 and its fine
Some 97 and 98 12v's had 53's also.
It's not really much of an issue if they remain, or close to, stock hp levels.  When you start throwing hp at them is when they crack. They don't do so well when boost pressures get over 45-50 psi.  Twin turbo's are the devil of the 53 block.   :chuckle:
It's actually quite impressive when one lets go during a sled pull.  Put's an all new meaning to windowing the block.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: sisu on February 11, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
A couple years ago I almost went to work for a place in Snohomish...I think it was Dynamic Diesel maybe?
Seemed like nice people, I couldn't speak for the quality of their work.

I wondered if Special T took his truck to Rairdons up there...I think they're in Bellingham.


Rairdons...when I was searching for my truck I inquired up that way and found them. When I saw that they offered a Russian web site for their vehicles I wrote them off. This is United States, we speak American. Not the Queen's English, not Swedish, not French, not Spanish etc., so they lost any businessi would of brought there. 
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: brush hunter on February 11, 2011, 01:03:06 PM



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My brother in law bought one of the first ones out - I think it was HD 3/4 ton cause that's all they offered - he really wanted a 1 ton, but it was not offered
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If you do some checking you'll find out the 3/4 ton was a 1 ton. If I remember the first year was '89 than in '91.5 they came with the intercooler
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: kevinlisa06 on February 12, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
We bought a 1998 dodge diesel last may. We love it very much, went back to montana this summer with no problems at all,we did get the 5speed,which we love but have heard from quite a few people that the 5th gear will go out in them but heard that its an easy fix for them. They are definately a rough rider but hell your in a truck is what i say. It pulls like a dream with the 28ft goose neck trailer on board and with the exhaust brake I hardly ever use the brakes going down passes. Good luck
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: KFhunter on February 12, 2011, 10:14:40 PM
We bought a 1998 dodge diesel last may. We love it very much, went back to montana this summer with no problems at all,we did get the 5speed,which we love but have heard from quite a few people that the 5th gear will go out in them but heard that its an easy fix for them. They are definately a rough rider but hell your in a truck is what i say. It pulls like a dream with the 28ft goose neck trailer on board and with the exhaust brake I hardly ever use the brakes going down passes. Good luck

Don't tow or really pull hard in that 5th gear, morso if the truck has been modded for more power
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: huntnnw on February 12, 2011, 10:36:31 PM
the best a 98, the 12 valve, updated interior and the old reliable 12valve in it with mechanical pump
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: huntandjeep on February 13, 2011, 01:10:32 PM
my boss just bought an 05 cummins. 50k miles he loves it until 1 week later. Something in the motor took a crap $23000 later hes got an 05 with a brand new motor. Nobody could tell him what went wrong to cause the motor to blow.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: kevinlisa06 on February 13, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
We bought a 1998 dodge diesel last may. We love it very much, went back to montana this summer with no problems at all,we did get the 5speed,which we love but have heard from quite a few people that the 5th gear will go out in them but heard that its an easy fix for them. They are definately a rough rider but hell your in a truck is what i say. It pulls like a dream with the 28ft goose neck trailer on board and with the exhaust brake I hardly ever use the brakes going down passes. Good luck

Don't tow or really pull hard in that 5th gear, morso if the truck has been modded for more power

Oh no I never tow hard in 5th gear, the only extra that has been done to it is the exhaust brake.
Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2011, 07:26:08 AM
my boss just bought an 05 cummins. 50k miles he loves it until 1 week later. Something in the motor took a crap $23000 later hes got an 05 with a brand new motor. Nobody could tell him what went wrong to cause the motor to blow.

Powertrain warranty  from Chrysler or the engine warranty from Cummins shoulda woulda covered that. I would love to have had that ticket.
 :dunno:
Why was it not covered? Did he take it to the dealer? My eyes are bleeding when I read this.


Title: Re: buying an older used dodge diesel....advice?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 14, 2011, 07:31:26 AM
Did he get it done in the tri-cities? I just talked to one of the guys there that just did an engine in an 05.
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