Post by: dreamingbig on March 03, 2011, 09:06:23 AM
Bull Permit Increases
Peaches Ridge
EF 98 to 120; +22
EM 17 to 20; +3
EA 74 to 81; +7
Goose Prairie
EF 55 to 77; +22
EM 8 to 13; +5
EA 60 to 70; +10
Observatory
EF 52 to 63; +11
EA
Anterless Increases
Little Naches
EF 75 to 150; +75
Rimrock
EF 50 to 200; +150
Manatash
EF 100 to 250; +150
Taneum
EF 75 to 150; +75
Post by: Maverick on March 03, 2011, 09:13:49 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 03, 2011, 09:21:13 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 03, 2011, 09:25:09 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/03/mar0511_17a_deer_elk.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/03/mar0511_17a_deer_elk.pdf)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 03, 2011, 09:26:55 AM
http://sportsyakima.com/2011/02/elk-count-shows-strength-in-numbers/ (http://sportsyakima.com/2011/02/elk-count-shows-strength-in-numbers/)
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2011, 09:53:55 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 03, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on March 04, 2011, 03:02:15 PM
Yes, I did see that. They obviously don't want to commit to the current size of the St. Helen's herd.
That's because there is NO winter range. There have been several hard winters with winter kill. A few years ago they said they were going to reduce the size of the St. Helen's herd. They have up'd tag numbers and and some extra seasons. But this year it is by far there biggest increase in tags for the St. Helens herd.
Post by: gasman on March 04, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
I'm pretty sure it is under 50%.
Post by: KopperBuck on March 04, 2011, 03:39:08 PM
I don't remember the exact number, but the percentage of permit holders that are success full is not very high.
I'm pretty sure it is under 50%.
That's a large range, and there are numbers in that range that I would consider to be a high percentage. What are you thinking specifically?
Post by: gasman on March 04, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
I don't remember the exact number, but the percentage of permit holders that are success full is not very high.
I'm pretty sure it is under 50%.
That's a large range, and there are numbers in that range that I would consider to be a high percentage. What are you thinking specifically?
My thoughts are, if teh success rate is lets say 50%. If they increase the permits by 50, then on average only 25 more animals would be harvested.
25, bug deal, the yotes and cougars take more then that a year.
I don't see these numbers as a big threat to our herds :dunno:
Many people :'( when the permits get reduced and some :'( when they get increased. To me, its not a huge deal, maybe it woul dgive me that .01% better chance of drawing, maybe not.
:twocents:
Post by: DeerThug on March 04, 2011, 06:27:59 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 07, 2011, 08:51:39 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 08, 2011, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: ramslam on March 08, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
Post by: gasman on March 08, 2011, 02:59:37 PM
I was there.
And :dunno:
Post by: DeerThug on March 08, 2011, 05:13:05 PM
Are we screwed again???
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 08, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
the majorty of the discussion was regarding the point minimums proposed for NE whitetail deer.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 08, 2011, 05:44:14 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 09, 2011, 11:37:36 AM
there wasnt much talk of the permit increases in the st. helens heard. i voiced my opinion for it.
the majorty of the discussion was regarding the point minimums proposed for NE whitetail deer.
Did you happen to catch the recap of the new permit system by Phil Andersen?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 09, 2011, 12:15:37 PM
there wasnt much talk of the permit increases in the st. helens heard. i voiced my opinion for it.
the majorty of the discussion was regarding the point minimums proposed for NE whitetail deer.
Did you happen to catch the recap of the new permit system by Phil Andersen?
I would REALLY like to hear that myself.
Post by: bobcat on March 09, 2011, 12:16:20 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 09, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 09, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 09, 2011, 01:35:20 PM
Dave Ware I guess... how did you memorize the agenda? ;)
I just knew it was Dave Ware because that was the main topic at that meeting that I would have been interested in hearing, and I saw on the agenda that Dave Ware was going to be presenting the "results" of the newly revised permit system. Also I was at the meeting last year where Dave talked about it before it was approved by the Commission. I doubt Phil Andersen would know much about it. But of course it really doesn't matter because Dave Ware isn't honest about it and only tell the Commission what they want to hear.
Post by: jstone on March 09, 2011, 02:30:47 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 14, 2011, 10:09:23 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 14, 2011, 04:37:57 PM
I had a Taneum Cow Permit last year. I got my cow but didnt see bunches of cows?? Actually about the same # cows as Bulls. Dont think that there are enough cows?? :dunno: :dunno:
I think that area has a lot of elk, people just need to get away from the roads. That area gets hit hard with hunters, i've seen it first hand. I have hunted that area most of my life and the mentality of a lot of the people hasn't changed. Most wont get far from the roads or trails, aren't willing to actually work for an animal, break rules by cruising roads on motorcycles, quads etc... The elk get smart and hide, go into thick reprod or deep canyons, areas most aren't willing to work. I talked to other muzzy hunters this year up there and they said they noticed most elk were in reprod. I am not all for adding more permits for antlerless harvest just because one year there was low success rates.
Post by: dreamingbig on March 15, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/03/audio_mar0511.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/03/audio_mar0511.html)
Post by: jstone on March 15, 2011, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 15, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Some takeaways:
Bottom line, odds went down across the board (more hunter apps + less permits available). Looking to increase permit fees in 2012; $6.50 to $13.00 in 2012 for quality hunt permits. 143k total permit apps in 2009 vs 233 permit apps in 2010. Suggestion to have more special category for people with more than 10 points. 673 people were drawn for multiple permits; 311 for elk.