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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Hornseeker on March 03, 2011, 10:55:25 AM

Title: You want a bad ass rifle?
Post by: Hornseeker on March 03, 2011, 10:55:25 AM: http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2011-custom-rifles.html (http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2011-custom-rifles.html)

Check out these bad boys.... WOW! Some super nice guns.

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On another note, I just learned of this company, Vectronix, that makes these range finders that are insanely accurate and have ranges from 5-15 miles!!! Talk about long range. Prob is, the one that goes to 5 miles is about $21,000!!!!
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Post by: MikeWalking on March 03, 2011, 06:04:34 PM: $21K another item for the Lotto List ;)
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Post by: Bofire on March 03, 2011, 06:08:57 PM: :)I call it the "lust list" but I am there with ya, there are a number of things on mine!! :chuckle:
Carl
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 03, 2011, 06:56:33 PM: GA makes nice rifles but if your gunna need a cheytac to keep up with that $21k range finder :chuckle:

http://www.cheytac.com/products.asp (http://www.cheytac.com/products.asp)
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 05:48:21 AM: Yeah, the RF is overkill for sure.....but heck, while I'm dreaming!

Which Chey ? 408? 375? 338 Lap? Those things are INSANE!

Hey LR7mm.... Whats your favorite stock? I am in the market for a stock for my Model 70... something kinda "tactical"...

Sumptin like this McMillan A2, but in a little different color maybe!
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 04, 2011, 07:24:41 AM: all of them will do it the 338 has unreel ballistics :drool: some day i will build one :chuckle: They offer a class to teach you how to shoot 3000 meters or 3280 yards :rolleyes: I think that would be a blast

My favorite stock is the Greybull Precision it is one of the most comfortable stocks I have ever shot weights in at 2.6 lbs down fall is they are only making them to fit a Rem. 700 action

Cant Go wrong with a McMillan or HS The A2 is a good stock there are a lot of places that will do custom paint on your stock, rifle and scope then it will truly be one of a kind :chuckle: or you could put your skills to the test and DIY :chuckle:
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Post by: rbros on March 04, 2011, 08:17:40 AM: The Vectronix range finders are really cool toys. I have a PLRF-10 on order that will range out past 2K. I have played with the big ones that range farther, but this one will suit my needs. We have shot our 338 Edge's out to just over 2200yds and its definitely a blast. We normally shoot 800-1500yds a few times a week with the occasional 2k shot now and then. Its addicting and alot of fun.

GA makes a nice rifle. Same company that builds their actions builds ours as well.
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 04, 2011, 08:45:11 AM: rbros I take it you like the Templar action then, Im thinking of a Lawton, Surgeon, Stiller, or Templar when I build my Lapua the Surgeon is a little more than I care to spend for an action but man they are awesome.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 08:48:45 AM: What are your actions called Rbros?

I can see getting into this stuff, but its going to be a slow process for me...

LR..I'd probably go the DIY route, as I am a craftsman and build bows and all sorts of stuff... and am a bit artisitic...it would be fun. I'd get a Cerracote kit and GO FOR IT!

I am trying to decide if I should just sell this mod 70 300 or use the action to build something....
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 04, 2011, 09:07:39 AM: I believe rbros is using a Templar action made by Defiance Machine I believe

Your MOD 70 action would be just fine to build off of

I built a stock a while back for a tikka M695 action i had because I got tired of trying to find one it turned out really good but ended up weighting almost 4 lbs I will try to find a picture of it. I carved out of wood then did an epoxy coat on it
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 09:42:02 AM: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out if its worth JUST using the action off it... I guess I could sell the stock and the barrel (its a 300 Win with the boss...may be worth something to someone??)...

What do you think? Whats a good custom action run? I can get a barrel chambered and mounted for about $500 cant I?

Dam those McMillan stocks are spendy!
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Post by: shedcrazy on March 04, 2011, 10:05:34 AM: Quote from: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out if its worth JUST using the action off it... I guess I could sell the stock and the barrel (its a 300 Win with the boss...may be worth something to someone??)...

What do you think? Whats a good custom action run? I can get a barrel chambered and mounted for about $500 cant I?

Dam those McMillan stocks are spendy!

Give benchmark barrels a call, out of Arlington. They do great work!
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 04, 2011, 11:03:30 AM: I always hit the pawn shops and gun shows look for Remingtons 700 LA I have picked a couple up for 300 and they are a great action :twocents:

you can pick a Lawton up for 900 - $1000 or a surgeon will run around $1800 For the long action repeater

The Last Gun i had done on a rem 700 is shooting 6.5" group at 1000 with 180 gr berger and I had a 338 RUM on a rem 700 that would shoot 8" at 1000 with 300 gr Hybrid
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 12:15:09 PM: I have an old Model 721 action... I wonder if it would be worth a crap on a build??

Do you get your 700's trued and bolt face squared or just go with them as is!

I bought a 700 sa from my father in law for $200!!!!!!!! made it into a 243 for my daughter.... wish I could get a few more like that!
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Post by: rbros on March 04, 2011, 12:23:42 PM: Defiance Machine does build our Rogue action for us. There are some changes that add strength, function and reliability to the action. I have tried all the customs out there and the Defiance and the Surgeon are among the smoothest, with the edge going to the Defiance. Here are a couple of pics compared to a Remington. Also, the 338 Lapua's use a .750 bolt in our receiver for maximum strength.
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A very accurate rifle can be built off a Remington 700. My personal 338 Edge is built on one and it will shoot 4-5" at 1k all day long easily. On a few occasions it has been less. From an econimics standpoint, by the time a guy purchases a donor rifle, has the action trued, bolt fluted, firing pin bushed, he is at the same price as a custom with less resale value. If you already have a Remmy 700, then that is a different story or get one really cheap.

Fitting and chambering a barrel will generally cost much less than $500. This, of course, doesn't include the cost of the barrel. I have packages on my website that guys can look at, as I don't want to get in trouble quoting pricing on here for advertising without being a sponsor

A full blueprint job will entail recutting the threads, recutting the locking lugs, receiver face, and bolt face. I generally measure everything first and see what really needs to be done to bring things concentric with the centerline. A properly cut chamber will go along ways from an accuracy standpoint.
Title: Re: You want a bad ass rifle?
Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 12:53:39 PM: How about that Mod 70 I have? Tell me this... what kind of accurracy might I get if I just used the action as is? None of the blueprinting? Any thoughts on this 721 action?

Why do you need to flute the bolt?

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A full blueprint job will entail recutting the threads, recutting the locking lugs, receiver face, and bolt face.

Sorry to be a pain, but what does all this do for you? I cannot envision how the action has so much to do with accurracy compared to the chamber and barrel??

Thanks RBros!!
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Post by: MtnMuley on March 04, 2011, 01:01:23 PM: I'm not trying to answer for rbros, as he's on a different level (by a long shot) than me, but personally, your mdl 70 action will work just fine. You don't "need" a fluted bolt. Personally, I'd flute mine for reducing weight more than anything. Curious as to what kind of "long range" shooting you plan on doing with this build? These guns rbros is taking about, are the guns that most guys dream of having built, aka, the best of the best.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 01:05:30 PM: Yeah, i see that MT... :o They are dam nice.

Honestly... I would like to have something that I can spend the time, get a load worked up, get to know the gun... then be able to shoot a Lope or a Muley "confidently" at say...500-800 or more yards. My elk hunting does not provide long shots, so I'll stick with my mountain gun for that... unless I start elk hunting somewhere else!

I just think it would be fun to have a gun capable of 1000yd accurracy...

Rbros.... nice looking machines there. I didn't see anything about your actions though... are those mostly all McMillan stocks?
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Post by: rbros on March 04, 2011, 01:35:07 PM: More has to do with the face of the action being true to the centerline and full lug contact. In my testing of doing one thing at a time, that was the largest improvement of accuracy. I did a test awhile back. Same barrel, same reamer. I did one thing at a time and tested for accuracy. I would get flamed in the benchrest community, but facing the action and recutting the lugs to full contact made the most improvement. Think of it this way, you have a pefect chamber cut true to the bore with the barrel threads also cut true to the bore. Then you screw it onto a receiver that has the face out of alignment and threads out alignment. There will be bind somewhere that will affect accuracy. Keep in mind, that everything is kept within .0002" of center. That's 2 tenths of 1 thousandth. The chamber does play the majority role in accuracy, no question about that, but to squeeze the full potential out, everything else needs to be inline as well. Everything is based of the centerline more or less. Hopefully I explained that to make sense. Its easier for me to think it than write it down.

For example, this rifle has next to zero runout in the chamber(I strive for .0002" or less at the rear of the chamber, this is where the most runout will be). Meaning its is perfectly inline with the bore. Here are the results. This is 15 shots during the breakin period off a bipod on the ground. This is shoot one, clean, shoot again, then a couple of 3 shot groups. She does the same thing at 500, with the groups opening up to just over 1.25"
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We haven't had a chance to update the website yet to include the actions. My brother is working on it, but is teaching himself web development along the way. We use mainly Manners Stocks on our builds, but will also use McMillan if requested. They just take longer to get and usually run a little heavier.
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Post by: rbros on March 04, 2011, 01:42:56 PM: Oh, most guys flute the bolts for looks. It does take off a little weight, but not enough to make a huge difference. It does however give somewhere for dust and crud to go so a guy doesn't have to worry about the bolt binding up. Mainly its a cosmetic deal.

I have rebarreled a couple of Mod70's. I always squared the face and lapped the lugs in on them. They shot just fine. 1/2moa or less generally with a good barrel on them. I have since stopped working on them due to the fact I had to keep making tooling because of the incosistencies with them. I pretty much just work on Remington's and custom actions now due to time and tooling savings.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 02:06:25 PM: Thanks MUCH Rbros....

That is a nice group!!!!!
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Post by: longrange7mm on March 04, 2011, 02:36:55 PM: One other thing to think about is the MOD 70 might be a little to short for the OAL of the edge or RUM

You can build a gun off a rem 700 or your 70 to do what your wanting to do hornseeker :twocents:

rbros thats a damn nice group
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 02:42:36 PM: I wonder if there is ANY market for the M70 original stock and barrel???
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Post by: MtnMuley on March 04, 2011, 04:01:09 PM: Sure there is. I had a friend just the other day looking for a stock for a Mdl 70. He found one on the internet. Also, I'm assuming your barrel is blued, and those tended to rust if not taken care of. If yours was in good shape, I could easily see somebody interested looking to replace their rusted one.
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Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2011, 04:08:57 PM: is that 15 shots in .74"
Holy hell...
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Post by: jackelope on March 04, 2011, 04:10:02 PM: Quote from: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 02:42:36 PM
I wonder if there is ANY market for the M70 original stock and barrel???

You'll see them for sale on 24hourcampfire.com all the time. I'm sure there's got to be other places as well.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 05, 2011, 08:15:31 AM: Maybe I'll take her apart and start parting her out...
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Post by: Antlershed on March 06, 2011, 08:30:16 PM: I couldn't imagine spending $1800 for just an action. Hell, I am into my sendero about $2500, which includes the scope, and I was out shooting today at 1425 yards. My limiting factor now is my scope adjustment. I need a 50 moa base.