Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on March 03, 2011, 06:53:27 PM
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Post by: Bofire on March 03, 2011, 07:27:45 PM
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Post by: sakoshooter on March 04, 2011, 12:07:18 AM
If you like Nosler Partitions, try Swift A-Frames. They have a bonded core/jacket up front. Better penetration because of better weight retention and shoot every accurately.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 04, 2011, 01:35:48 AM
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 08:55:29 AM
Post by: MDGrand on March 04, 2011, 08:55:34 AM
210 Berger VLD - RL 25 87.9 grains, Nosler Brass = 2950 FPS BUT with a BC of .0631.. that is one STAIT flier.
200 Barnes TTSX - RL 25 88 grains, Federal Nickle plated brass = 3050 with a BC of .0546 BC.. this is one strait flier as well
.. I think 180s are on the low end for a RUM.. that is a starter weight for me.
Going to try out the 200 grain Nosler Accubond next.. that is a great hybrid beteen the Barnes and the Berger.
You can't really go wrong here as long as you dont use a ballistic tip.. I know some do, but its more for thinned game animals.
A frame bullets like Partitions, etc are great too but they lack a BT.. and from 300 to 500 with any wind, those bullets will drop or move compared to a nice high BC boat tail bullet.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 09:07:33 AM
With the Etip with a 523 BC, you get about 27.7 inches of drop...
Now...at 1000 yards, the BC starts to pay dividends... you get about 246" of drop with the Barnes and about 2 Feet less with the Etip...
At 500 though....just pic a well constructed bullet that shoots little groups out of your gun!
Post by: MDGrand on March 04, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
Post by: high country on March 04, 2011, 09:25:25 AM
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 09:33:49 AM
High Country, I've shot 5 bulls with the TSX or TTSX's and like you, have had text book performance. I am not a Bench Rest or Long Range Shooter, but at "normal" hunting distances (out to 350-400) I am getting very acceptable accurracy from my Barnes.
Have you shot "groups" with yours? How tight?
Post by: MtnMuley on March 04, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
Post by: high country on March 04, 2011, 10:01:23 AM
Very good point MD... The 453 of the Barnes 180 is pretty good still....
High Country, I've shot 5 bulls with the TSX or TTSX's and like you, have had text book performance. I am not a Bench Rest or Long Range Shooter, but at "normal" hunting distances (out to 350-400) I am getting very acceptable accurracy from my Barnes.
Have you shot "groups" with yours? How tight?
I am able to get around .5-6 on the right day. the sciroccos threw groups for me that made me look like a pro. accuracy with the rum seems to be its strong point. I would never take a less then perfect angle shot on a critter regardless of size with a berger or any cup core bullet from a rum. I would not even think twice with a barnes.
Post by: MDGrand on March 04, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
I think the "best" is a matter of opinion. The 180 gr. Scirocco and 175 Berger VLD have preformed flawlessly for me. However, coming out of the big RUM, I'm thinking the 190 or 210 VLD might be the "best". I honestly haven't given Barnes nor the Accubond much of a chance, as I've had better results with the others with less effort. I recently bought another 300RUM specifically for the 210 VLD for "winning the war with wind". I think I'm going to like it.
I can verify that with the Berger 210 VLD.. you will win the war with the wind! With a nice prone shot out to 500 yards with even 20mph or so of cross wind, you can easily correct withabout 1 mil over and hit a 6" circle.. all other factors considering of course.
Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
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I would not even think twice with a barnes.
You got that right... a 180 or 200 Barnes out of a RUM will kill a bull from ANY ANGLE... as long as you know where to put it....
Post by: MtnMuley on March 04, 2011, 12:47:35 PM
QuoteI would not even think twice with a barnes.
You got that right... a 180 or 200 Barnes out of a RUM will kill a bull from ANY ANGLE... as long as you know where to put it....
Not to argue, but a Berger won't? I'd say that I might have some strong proof to back that up.
Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
I will keep shooting my Barnes though, because I dont shoot too long of range and the BC isn't that big of deal at 80 yards! :tung:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 04, 2011, 12:52:34 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on March 04, 2011, 01:07:19 PM
Yeah.... last 5 bulls I've shot have been under 100 yards...and about the same with most my buddies too! Deer can stretch me out a bit though!
Good Luck!
Post by: high country on March 04, 2011, 08:44:20 PM
I have seen the effects of a berger that hit the humorous of an elk.....it was a bad experience for the shooter. The bull was killed a few days later with a broken leg and minor shrapnel stuck in the skin of the chest. I would never consider a shot angle with more them 6-8" of meat blocking the vitals if a berger was in my gun. They are devastating killers on broadside hits, but not ever gonna make an ass to tea kettle type kill.QuoteI would not even think twice with a barnes.
You got that right... a 180 or 200 Barnes out of a RUM will kill a bull from ANY ANGLE... as long as you know where to put it....
Not to argue, but a Berger won't? I'd say that I might have some strong proof to back that up.
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Post by: Hornseeker on March 05, 2011, 12:28:44 PM
I just got off the phone with my dad and we were talking about bullets...his buddy shot a moose last year with a Berg and the moose dropped dead, but the bullet was in a zillion pieces... not what I like.... to each his own....
Post by: high country on March 05, 2011, 01:41:34 PM
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