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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: goober on March 04, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
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Eld Inlet No Shooting email
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Hey guys,
Here is something taking place that needs your attention. This legislation will affect all shoreline hunting in Wa, from the Puget sound all the way to Gray's Harbor. Some wealthy homeowners are trying to stop the hunting on the shoreline because they don't want to hear the gunshots coming from the bayfront
Brief Recent History as I know it:
1. At the last public meeting I was aware of and attended on August 10, 2010, your Sheriff [then deputy sheriff] John Snaza, argued for a 200 FOOT buffer for ease of enforcement with the limited resources of his office. His reasoning was that the current no wake zone with buoy markers was set at 200 FEET, and it would be relatively easy for his enforcement officers to look down the buoy line to observe whether a hunter was inside or outside of the buoy line.
2. At that meeting interested waterfowlers indicated that as a group we could accept up to a 300 FOOT buffer reasoning that most people can estimate the length of a football field [i.e., 100 yards = 300 feet], and that waterfowl hunters would be better able to police themselves as to how far from shore they were when shooting.
3. In a follow-up 10/8/2010 email, Danielle Westbrook, assistant to Commissioner Valenzuela, indicated that the draft ordinance was considering two proposed marine buffers – one 200 FEET, the other 300 FEET, along with some boundary closures in the southern and more narrow parts of both Eld and Henderson Inlets. The email included as an attachment , a map that accurately reflected the two alternate marine buffers – 200 FEET and 300 FEET.
4. In a follow-up 11/8/2010 email from Ms. Westbrook, she indicated that the probable marine buffer would be 300 FEET, along with the same referenced boundary closures, and again the email included as an attachment a map accurately reflecting the 300 FOOT marine buffer.
5. On 2/10/2011 Ms. Westbrook sent out what she referred to as “the first draft” of the proposed ordinance that set the marine buffer at 300 YARDS. However the map accompanying the proposed ordinance and entitled “THURSTON COUNTY Controlled Shooting Zones Current & Proposed – February 2011” still shows and indexes the marine buffers county wide as being 300 FEET.
There is a nationwide effort by Wa hunters to prevent this from taking place. We are asking all hunters to send an email opposing its passage. This affects many hunters on this site.
Please take a minute to send and email to
Smithr@cothurston.wa.us
to voice your oposition to the Thurston county no shooting zone. It does not matter if you don't hunt there or if you don't even live here.
Further info can be found on 'the duck hunters refuge'.
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Not only did they change it to read 300 "yards" but they extended the no shooting zone along the puget sound shoreline all the way over to include the Nisqually Delta area. That's a big difference from what the original proposal was. It started out as being only a no shooting zone for Eld Inlet. Now they want to pretty much shut down all duck hunting on the Nisqually delta.
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That email address above for Robert Smith didn't work for me. Maybe he's getting too many emails, or something. But you can also try this Link (http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/cm/email/email.asp?mod=1)
Or just email the commissioners. If you go Here (http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/bocc/) and click on the link that says to send email to all commissioners at once it will take you here (http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/cm/email/email.asp?mod=1) and you can send your email.
edit - Goober needed to add a dot in the email address for Robert Smith. It should be: smithr@co.thurston.wa.us
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It didn't work because there needs to be a period after "co".
Like this: smithr@co.thurston.wa.us
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I've kinda been following this from the beginning. The folks who started the ball rolling are tree huggers who are new to the area.
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Is this the same proposal that was on the table a year or so ago?
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Is this the same proposal that was on the table a year or so ago?
No. Way, way worse.
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Check out the Map (http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/bocc/docs/No%20Shooting%20Zone/Controlled%20Shooting%20Zones%20If%20Adopted%20-%20February%202011.pdf)
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:yike: :bdid:
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This is what happens when nobody stands up to the hippies and brainless politicians. I was there at the first of the meetings. Only a handful of duck hunters were there. When chit like this comes up, make it a priority. Other wise this will continue.
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My kids and I were at the meeting out on Steamboat a year and half ago. I hate these things cause I cannot afford to attend each and every single meeting about issues like this. We need more guys to buck up and attend these meetings for all of us. :bash:
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Thanks for your interest guys. There are a couple of guys who are pushing this all over the state right now.
Even if you can't get to a meeting, just sending an email will be a tremendous help. There were around 175 signatures on the petition for this and we want to provide ten times that number of "NO" responses via emails.
Thanks again.
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Email sent. Everyone here needs to send an email. Get your friends and family to send emails. It is hard enough to gain access to public hunting areas.
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Email sent.
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What should we include in the emails? "I do not support the proposed Thurston County no shooting zone?"
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I would also mention the decades of safe hunting that has already gone on in that area..
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I said that I don't support the ordinance, and that it is not based on any factual finding. As I understand it, there has been no confirmed incident of dangerous shooting that is motivating this ordinance. It would be helpful to point out decades of safe hunting and shooting, and the fact that the public waters of Thurston County belong to all of us, not just people that own homes adjacent to our waterways.
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Does anyone know when the next public meeting is, or when this ordinance is supposed be up for passage?
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Jon at Cedarville farms is heading up much of the defense. He has requested to be CC'd on all emails so that he can track the number of replies. Here is his testemony at the last meeting and some other correspondence relating to this that was forwarded to a number of guys.
I felt people might be interested in this correspondence I had with Captain Dave Drewry. It emphasizes the need that we must get organized and keep our communications open amongst ourselves.
It also demonstrates how we "hunting worms" are being shoved into an ever shrinking can. This creates higher concentrations of hunters in the remaining hunting areas which only exacerbates the same problem with the neighboring residents in those locations. Hence they in turn, petition their county officials to shut these areas down too.
FYI - I have only received 50 forwarded e-mails as of last night in opposition to the Proposed Thurston Co. No Shooting Ordinance. This is very discouraging to me, as it appears that there are tens of thousands of hunters out there that just don't care. Most of you on this mailing list have made your views known to the county commissioners and forwarded them to me. I am not preaching to you.
FYI - Some of our support has come from concerned citizens not only in Washington State, but Oregon, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Arkansas. Their support is very much appreciated and encouraging.
Thanks, Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Cedarvillefarms <cedarvillefarms@aol.com>
To: CaptDave@PeninsulaSportsman.com
Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 7:26 am
Subject: Re: eld inlet
Dave,
Your information and time is very appreciated. It is some what discouraging to find out that many of us new nothing of your ordeal with similar issues. That point reinforces the need for all of us to unite and work together to stop the further loss of our hunting area's in this country. If we were well organized we might even succeed in the possible reclamation of some of these areas already lost.
I am truly sorry that I was unaware and could not lend my voice when you guys needed it most.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt. Dave Drewry <CaptDave@PeninsulaSportsman.com>
To: Cedarvillefarms <cedarvillefarms@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: eld inlet
Thanks Jon-- I have been involved in no-shoot zones in Island Co. -- w/ Deer Lagoon and Penn Cove; and my own Jefferson County. Alot of what we dealt with up here in Jeff Co. was the enacting of no-shooting zones. site/ boundary specific. in various areas around the county. Paradise Bay / Indian Island/ Irondale specifically. There was DNR and WDFW land that was part of the closures and that made it sting that much more. In addition re-designation of DNR land where waterfowlers were walk-in hunting and the conversion of those leases into County parks-- ie. no more hunting. Jeff. Co. could skirt some laws with that re-designation and made it easier to shut down hunting. What you are dealing in Thurston Co. is a more blanket approach to regulation which is more far-reaching. Kitsap has had the 300yd. no shoot ordinance in place for a while now and that has inherently shut down most waterfowl hunting in that county. I'm going to do my best in watching on your issue down there. Keep up the good work, and don't hesitate to let me know how I can help you guys down there. The cards are stacked against us for sure. --Capt. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Cedarvillefarms
To: CaptDave@PeninsulaSportsman.com
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: eld inlet
Dave,
If we can ever be of help in like issues please don't hesitate to ask. I would be interested to know how you fared or handled your previous situation.
Thanks for your help & support in this matter.
Would you like to receive any future information and updates on this issue from us?
Need to reply only if interested.
Thank You,
Jon McAninch
Cedarville Farms Waterfowl Club
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt. Dave Drewry <CaptDave@PeninsulaSportsman.com>
To: Cedarvillefarms@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 5:12 pm
Subject: Fw: eld inlet
Jon-- For your files. Best of luck in the battle. We have dealt with similar issues up here in Jefferson Co. -- Capt. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Capt. Dave Drewry
To: bocc@co.thurston.wa.us
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: eld inlet
Thurston County Commissioners,
~ I am writing in regards to the proposed no shooting zones in Eld Inlet and other marine waters of the county. The proposed 300 yard shoreline buffer for discharge of firearms-- ie. hunting shotguns is overkill. This will eliminate any opportunity for waterfowl hunters in your county to hunt the saltwater as most of these inlets and bays will not allow for waterfowl hunters to anchor safely and hunt in the deep waters offshore. We have a unique opportunity within the Puget Sound to hunt sea ducks and diver ducks and to eliminate that opportunity is not beneficial to the hunters that seek the ducks, the shellfish businesses ( Taylor, etc. ) where they provide depredation and the local businesses and conservation projects they support.
~ Please do not eliminate waterfowling opportunity in Thurston County-- oppose the proposed 300 yard buffer. 100 yards or less is more than enough to still allow hunting and provide safety for county residents.
Capt. David Drewry
owner/ operator
Peninsula Sportsman Guide and Outfitting Service LLC-- Port Townsend, WA
Cabins at Treefrog Woods
www.PeninsulaSportsman.com (http://www.PeninsulaSportsman.com)
360-379-0906
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I've looked at the RCW which enables the county to enact this type of ordinance. If I understand the proposal correctly (300 feet/yards from any shoreline in Thurston County), then it appears the ordinance may exceed the County's authority. It does not appear that safety is reasonably at issue in all of the closed areas. Other's thoughts?
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I received a response to my email, and sent the following reply. Others should do the same and keep the emails and pressure coming.
Sandra,
I appreciate your reply, and I agree that public safety is an important concern. I believe a more narrow regulation could accomplish that same purpose. Specificially, wouldn't a regulation prohibiting the discharge of firearms toward the shore accomplish the purpose of providing safety to homeowners along the shore? Also, looking at the proposed map, it encompasses areas that have no homes that are anywhere near the area which will be covered by the ordinance. One prime example is the Nisqually Delta area. It seems to me that the ordinance exceed the authority conveyed upon the county by RCW 9.41.300. The proposed ordinance is not limited to those portions of Thurston County "where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized." As such, the ordinance as proposed will certainly be subject to legal challenge as it exceeds the authority conferred upon the County.
I applaud your efforts to provide a safe environment for the citizens of Thurston County. As a hunter, however, I worry that future generations will not have the opportunity to enjoy the tradition and our public property as the public has in the past. Hopefully all sides can come to a resolution that protects the interest of the homeowners as well as those that enjoy the use of the public property of Thurston County.
I would appreciate a response to this email with your thoughts.
Sincerely,
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WSU, that is very good letter you wrote there. If the commissioners have responded to my email, I hope I can write one as eloquently as yours. I have a hard time not telling them exactly how I feel........(if you know what I mean). ;)
(I may have an email at my home email.......I'll check when I get home tonight).
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These guys are doing all that they can to get guys on board. Let's help them out!
WIN A HUNT FOR TWO AT
CEDARVILLE FARMS WATERFOWL CLUB
Cedarville Farms is raffling a hunt for two with Cedarville Farms Waterfowl Club, to take place in the 2011/2012 season. Conditions for eligibility are as follows:
1. Entrants must send comments to Thurston County Commissioners smithr@co.thurston.wa.us in opposition to the proposed No Shooting/Hunting Ordinance.
2. Entrants must forward a copy of their comments to Cedarville Farms cedarvillefarms@aol.com or by mail to:
Cedarville Farms
15 White Oak Lane
Oakville, WA 98568.
3. Entrants must show proof of membership in one of the following organizations; Washington Waterfowl Association, Delta Waterfowl, or Ducks Unlimited.
4. Entrants shall receive one chance to win per organization membership (anyone belonging to all organizations shall receive 3 chances to win).
5. Entrants shall receive an additional chance to win if they show proof of newly joining any of the 3 organizations after January 1, 2011.
6. Anyone who has already forwarded their e-mail to Cedarville Farms as of March 8, 2011 shall automatically be entered for one chance to win, regardless of organization membership or not, but if they send proof of membership(s) they shall receive an additional chance to win.
7. The hunt shall be set on a date convenient to all parties, and shall include a night's lodging at Cedarville Farms.
8. Entries must be received by September 1, 2011.
9. Any winning entrant that can not attend the hunt may donate it to either of the above organizations to be re-raffled at a later date.
10. Entrants shall be responsible to provide current contact information to Cedarville Farms.
11. Entrants must have current and proper licenses to hunt.
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goober, thanks for posting that! I already emailed the county so now I will have to do some research and figure out which group to join. I'm thinking the Washington Waterfowl Association- didn't they do the most in the fight against this no shooting ordinance? Or, maybe Ducks Unlimited would be good because my girls would probably like looking at the magazine. ???
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WWA sounds like a great group. www.waduck.org/ (http://www.waduck.org/) is the web address.
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Bump,
We need help!
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email sent
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Just saw this and sent in my email to the commissioners. I am hearing that there has not been much support for this write in campain. Just a thought but the more hunting lands we loose on the wet side means that many more west side hunters headed to eastern washington.
The thought of that alone should prompt a flood of emails and support from eastern washington!!! :chuckle:
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I'm not a member(yet)of WA Waterfowl Assoc but I just sent them an email asking what they are doing as an organization to combat this encroachment into our limited hunting areas.
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I sent an email last winter and sent another today:
"I am emailing in regards to the proposed no shooting zone in Eld Inlet and the poorly planned expansion of that zone to include more of the South Sound.
I am opposed to this TAKING of the use of public land/waters by the PUBLIC!
As far as I am aware, this proposal has no actual basis in public safety but has been put forth by a minority of county residents who have property along Eld Inlet. These citizens have no right to move to an area, impact the environment with their homes,chemically treated lawns, and often leaky septic systems and then demand that a traditional, safe use of the PUBLIC land/water in the area be discontinued. These people knew that this area was used by duck hunters for several months each fall when they chose to move there. This demand, by them, is as absurd as new residents of Lacey demanding that Ostram's mushroom farm leave the area because the smell bothers them.
In years past, I have hunted for waterfowl in this area and saw no occasions where there was a safety issue involved. There are currently laws that prohibit reckless shooting of firearms. We do not need more laws restricting the PUBLIC'S access to Public land/water.
Please do not support this attempt by a small group of people to put their wants ahead of an established, safe tradition of hunting waterfowl in Eld Inlet and elsewhere in the South Sound.
Thank you for your time,
Edward and Kelli Fisher
Taxpayers and owners of two Thurston County properties."
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I got my reply. It only took a few hours.
Mr. Goodwin-
Thank you for your comments. I will forward them onto the County Commissioners for their review as they consider the proposed No Shooting Ordinance.
The County is currently reviewing the comments received at the March 1, 2011 public meeting, as well as comments submitted via e-mail, and may make changes to the proposed ordinance based on the comments received. Your comments and suggestions will be incorporated into this review. We will add your e-mail to our notice list for future meetings and/or hearings on this issue.
Robert Smith
Senior Planner
Thurston County Resource Stewardship Dept.
2000 Lakeridge Drive SW
I copied my e-mail and sent it to my hunting buddy. He was sending his in today. I hope to get notified as Mr Smith mentioned of the next meeting. We may need to try and get a carpool going from the North end. :twocents:
Thanks guys for keeping us updated on this issue.
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I never got a reply on my email to the commissioners. I sent an email to all the commissioners and one to Robert Smith. Anybody else not get a reply? :dunno:
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I didn't get a reply either, and didn't expect one.
I wonder if they disregard the letters in which people call the commissioners imbeciles? :dunno:
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This is the reply I got from the President of the Washington Waterfowl Association. I emailed them to find out what their involvement was.
Hi Mark,
The WWA has been in attendance at every meeting with the Thurston County Commissioners since this situation came up in mid-2009.
It appears to be driven by Commissioner Valenzuela.
There has been virtually no progress at all of the meetings ...perhaps five including the first. The "Anti's" say their piece, the waterfowlers say their piece.
The sheriffs, both current & past, as well as the WDFW have stated that there is no safety problem, no slaughtering of waterfowl, no issues of shooting prior to legal hours. The Thurston County prosecutor has reportedly told the sheriff's office he would not pursue prosecutions because he does not agree with the commissioner's pursuit of this anti-waterfowling effort.
This issue is really about noise. The attempt to make it a safety issue is a 'red herring' attempt to circumvent WA State RCW's protecting noise associated with legal hunting.
It has been pointed out to the commission on more than one occasion that they are attempting to ruin the lawful pursuit of game by lumping said pursuit in with the illegal discharge of weapons in certain inland parts of the county. They have failed to acknowledge this fact. (Many residents of Thurston County are probably unaware that the commission has declared over forty areas "no shooting" zones. It would not surprise me if many of those are illegal also.)
The commission has recently created a "board" including resident complainants, a hunter, a member of the farming community, etc. The WWA is very aware of those forthcoming interactions and will be advising ..... even though it appears that the WWA was intentionally left out of the group. The WWA had previously been acknowledged as representing the hunting community.
At the most recent meeting, the commission was basically given fair warning that should they attempt to install the "no shooting" ordinance; they will be in all likelihood looking at multiple law suits from a number of different individuals and organizations.
The WWA is very much aware of the assaults currently under way in western Washington in Pacific, Thurston, Jefferson, Kitsap and Skagit Counties and one perpetrated in Island County by commisssiners there. We are working in several of these areas to stop or return access opportunities taken away by WDFW, DNR, USFWS as well as county commissioners.
That said, it takes resources ....money and members. Your memberhsip in our organization would help.
I have enclosed a membership form and hope you will join us.
Sincerely,
Jim Cortines
President, WWA
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Thanks for posting this Sako. Almost a bit encouraging... I have always felt this was a noise issue, and have stated such in my letters.
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I talked to the guys out at Cabelas last weekend and the wife and I signed the cards and sent the letters. Stupid hippie out of towners coming in and trying to take away our rights! :nono: :boxin: :bs: :bash:
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I didn't get a reply either, and didn't expect one.
I wonder if they disregard the letters in which people call the commissioners imbeciles? :dunno:
:chuckle: Yeah, maybe that's the reason......... :)
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Here is an update on progress as sent to me;
NEWS UPDATE
PROPOSED NO SHOOTING ORDINANCE
APRIL 12, 2011
Hi All,
It may seem a little quiet on the frontlines, but headway is being made. Many of us still have to work for a living, and this makes coordinating meetings between multiple participants tough. Those that are retired but neck deep in this turmoil are probably wishing they had a good excuse to be elsewhere (like a job).
I have many newcomers that have asked to be on the “Keep Inform List” so some of you may be seeing a repeat of some of the previous information.
The following organizations are now officially on board: Washington Waterfowl Association, Thurston County Farm Bureau, Delta Waterfowl Foundation, and Evergreen Sportsmen’s Club. People are currently working on getting the NRA and Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation involved and hopefully they will soon be joining our cause, and people are also working on setting up meetings with Representatives Kathy Haigh, and Fred Finn to see if they can be of help to us.
Cabelas gave the WWA permission to set up a table inside the entry of the Lacey Store to solicit signatures and memberships the weekend of Mar. 2nd. Nine members worked the table over the weekend and they collected 321 signature cards and passed out a stack of flyers, but not many bites on the memberships. Marti (my wife) dropped off 300 of the signature cards at the County Courthouse today. I’m sure they were thrilled to see them. We had more ready to go, but we thought it would have a better and more lasting impact if we doled them out every week or two.
Rumor has it that the Thurston County Commissioners and staff are surprised at the amount of opposition they have been receiving. This is evidence that we are on the right track and need to continue our efforts, not relax them. I have about 650 signatures on file so far and that is only .28% of the 250,000 hunters in this state. In the beginning I thought we might get 10%, but now I would settle for 1%. I know that there are others that have e-mailed and sent postcards in but I have no real clue as to how many. A file of these responses for our records is important, so anyone gathering signatures please stress this point.
Kurt Snyder and I met with The Evergreen Sportsmen’s Club’s Board of Directors last Saturday night and they gave us their official backing at that meeting. They also took flyers and signature cards and said they would have board members, range masters, and cashiers start gathering signatures for us. Permission was also granted to set up WWA sponsored tables at the upcoming meets to solicit memberships and signatures. This is very welcomed support on ESC’s part.
We are still actively working on legal strategies and documenting each time the Commissioners blatantly ignore state and local laws, and/or any sense of fairness in this process. I guess hunting, farming and right minded citizens are not worthy of any consideration on their part. Hopefully we will be able to prove them wrong on their narrow minded assumptions.
Probably 95% of the people we approach about the proposed no shooting/hunting ordinance are totally unaware of the proposal. It appears that maybe the public notification laws are slightly lacking, or Thurston County has just chosen to ignore them. Obviously if you have an agenda that you desire to get accomplished you don’t want to advertise it. This is a point we may want to keep in mind when we go after a “Right To Hunt and Fish” amendment to our state constitution. These amendments called RTHF’s have been successfully accomplished in 13 states now. With such a constitutional guarantee we probably would not be dealing with this no shooting/hunting issue.
We must draw the line in the sand here with Thurston County, win the fight legally, set a legal precedent, and then go to the aid of our friends in the other counties where these unjustified ordinances have already been established. We must also establish a means to notify and help each other when these jurisdictions attempt to rob us of our privileges and freedoms.
I have a few more items that deserve our attention; The conversion of our National Wildlife Refuges over to unproven salmon enhancement projects at the detriment of waterfowl, the critical areas ordinances under review or consideration in the counties of our state, and the conversion of hundreds of thousands of acres of the Olympic Peninsula to National Park, and wilderness areas. All of these proposals will restrict access, use, hunting, camping, farming, timber harvest etc and will benefit only one group of our society, known as “Environmentalists”. If any of you would like further detail on these issues let me know and I’ll get it to you or get you to it.
Thank You,
Jon McAninch
Cedarville Farms
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Thanks for posting this.
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Thanks for the info, I never got a response from the commissioners even though I asked for one....
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Goober,
PM sent your way.
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Please view this "Is Karen Valenzuela lying?" video.
**Side note*** How the heck do you imbed a video in a post?
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Yes, she is lying. Either that or she is perpetuating a lie told to her by some anti-hunting homeowners.
You can embed by simply copying the web address on youtube and pasting it in your message here:
feature=youtu.be
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The proposed Thurston County No Shooting Zone Ordinance has not gone away.
Your help is needed to continue getting the word out to more people. All hunters, recreational shooters, and freedom loving people need to be informed about this travesty, and take action to oppose it.
Here are several links, some of which have been posted before, but this brings many of them together in one place.
• Link to article – Ken Schram is with us: http://www.komonews.com/opinion/kenschram/Ken-Schram-Im-with-the-duck-hunters-on-this-problem-146444095.html#idc-cover
• Link to a video regarding Valenzuela’s ridiculous comments: http://www.myfreedomfoundation.com/index.php/stop_thurston_county/view/do_our_commissioners_understand_anything_about_the_ordinances_they_approve
• Link to a KOMO video in which Valenzuela make her comments that exemplifies her ignorance regarding the subject: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Hunters-fighting-to-stop-Thurston-Co-gun-ordinance-146372925.html?tab=video&c=y
• Link to a video regarding the TCNSZO is a bad idea: http://www.myfreedomfoundation.com/index.php/site/view/thurston_countys_no_shooting_ordinance_a_bad_idea
• Link to video showing petition signing at Cabela’s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNbS0KH9Eds
• Link to Sheriff Snaza video – no issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c03HI2E82cY&feature=relmfu
• Link to video – public meeting last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibI0jR7AYhk&feature=related
• Link to video – the workgroup – how to get involved to stop this ordinance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOVS_KR2UD4&feature=relmfu
• Link to video – citizens testifying against the ordinance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkgNC4bCGKA&feature=relmfu
• Link to video – Humor – The beginning of the ordinance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mdj0QAyJpw
• Link to video – Humor – change of name to Controlled Shooting Zone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLOCeEoOOs
More info: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=93557.0
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Saw this on www.duckhuntingchat.com.
This tonight from The Freedom Foundation:
"Commissioner Wolfe formally announced at today's Commissioner Meeting that a "majority" of the Commissioners have decided to not do anything more with the No Shooting Ordinance. They directed staff to spend no more time on this ordinance. She also stated there was no safety concerns to justify this ordinance - based on WDFW and Sheriff's responses.
Reading between the lines, however, two things stand out:
1. A "majority" means that someone dissented, and I suspect it was Commissioner Valenzuela. The fact they are divided (which I have never witnessed in three years) is huge and shows a big rift.
2. They clearly felt the pressure of thousands of signatures, emails, and most importantly hundreds of people showing up for the work session. Combined with the people testifying at the meetings, the videos, and the negative media coverage - it became a sure political loser for them. They finally recognized it, and they folded.
Everyone ..... deserves some of the credit for this result.
The fact is that without the time spent over the last few months, the willingness to drive to the meetings, get people out for the work session, the emails, the signs, etc. - they would have passed this ordinance. Now it is dead, and there was no need for costly court action, expensive attorneys, etc.
Good job everyone.
Now, lets talk about Kitsap, Jefferson and Island County..."
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Yep, done deal. Poor comm. Valenzuela. She must be having fits over this with her little shoreline homed friends.
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Yep, done deal. Poor comm. Valenzuela. She must be having fits over this with her little shoreline homed friends.
:yeah:
I hope she gets voted out of office this year. :IBCOOL: :hello:
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Yep, done deal. Poor comm. Valenzuela. She must be having fits over this with her little shoreline homed friends.
:yeah:
I hope she gets voted out of office this year. :IBCOOL: :hello:
Someone should get her a new broom and maybe she'd just fly away! :dunno:
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Maybe she could fly away with Gregoire on her broom........... ;)
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Maybe she could fly away with Gregoire on her broom........... ;)
HA HA! My thought as well before scrolling down to see yours. A broom built for two....
Good news anyways!
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Good work, everyone!
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Yep, front page headliner for today's Daily Olympian; "County abandons plan for no-shooting zones"
No safety incidents dealt with by either the sheriffs office or WDFW related to waterfowl hunting.
This was the exact point I reiterated to the commissioners in my letters. Snaza got in front of us in 2009 and did not have any proof of any documentable safety complaint. Noise, yes, safety no.
Good job guys!
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Maybe she could fly away with Gregoire on her broom........... ;)
When Gregoire does, in flies the Jay bird. :(