Post by: Bigshooter on March 05, 2011, 03:21:25 PM
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Post by: PolarBear on March 05, 2011, 05:49:27 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on March 05, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Why the hate towards Agnew? :dunno: I guess jealousy gets the better of some folks.seems like it :twocents:
Post by: Bigtine96 on March 05, 2011, 06:01:52 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on March 05, 2011, 06:57:32 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 05, 2011, 07:26:45 PM
I respect his contribution (even though is does not go where it is supposed to) but I don't respect the way he harvests. Notice that I called it a harvest instead of a hunt. I have no hate of jealousy for the guy, just don't want to hear any bragging about what a tough "hunt" it was. :twocents:
Post by: Cougeyes on March 05, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
Post by: Maverick on March 05, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
Post by: 400out on March 05, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
:yeah:What do you mean? I hear that jet lag is a real pisser! Makes things tough
I respect his contribution (even though is does not go where it is supposed to) but I don't respect the way he harvests. Notice that I called it a harvest instead of a hunt. I have no hate of jealousy for the guy, just don't want to hear any bragging about what a tough "hunt" it was. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on March 05, 2011, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: deerslyr on March 05, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
Post by: Maverick on March 05, 2011, 10:01:10 PM
Post by: danceswitharrows on March 05, 2011, 10:32:01 PM
That would be a great post:
Hey friends :) just dropped 50k on the elk auction tag. I will give another 50k to whom ever can put me on the biggest elk...Happy trail cam hunting :chuckle:
P.S. It needs to be a one day hunt because I have alot of partying to do with Charlie Sheen :chuckle:
Post by: PolarBear on March 05, 2011, 10:36:16 PM
You know it is really hard to get out of the truck when it is full of hookers, drugs and booze!
Post by: Maverick on March 05, 2011, 11:34:23 PM
Post by: coachcw on March 06, 2011, 07:47:22 AM
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Post by: jackelope on March 06, 2011, 07:25:03 PM
that money should at least go strictly toward fish and wildlife. Not the whole damn state.
It does go to Fish and Wildlife...not the General fund.
Post by: saylean on March 06, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
Best of luck to him.
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2011, 08:12:11 PM
I doubt Mr. Agnew would be using Mossback to bid. I assume that means Doyle's coming to WA. Mr. Agnew has his own guide crew.
I think Doyle may be coming to Washington too after reading that he was bidding, I heard he is supposedly boycotting Utah. That means he will have to hunt more in other states if it's true.
Post by: bone head on March 06, 2011, 08:56:49 PM
Do know that agnew didn't buy the tag so all of the folks on here that want to continue to put down a guy who over the years has put in his time...days, weeks and months...on elk hunts and put lots of money into elk habitat through tag buys can find someone else to roast and put down. The jealousy on here and in other forums over guys who can afford to buy auction/governor type tags and then have some success continues to stun me...at least this next fall you'll have someone else to criticize and berate in the Blues.
i agree
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 06, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
Who is this Mr. Agnew guy? :dunno:http://www.findmeahunt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Agnew-2.jpg (http://www.findmeahunt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Agnew-2.jpg)
Oh this Dan Agnew.
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 06, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on March 08, 2011, 06:00:10 AM
Do know that agnew didn't buy the tag so all of the folks on here that want to continue to put down a guy who over the years has put in his time...days, weeks and months...on elk hunts and put lots of money into elk habitat through tag buys can find someone else to roast and put down. The jealousy on here and in other forums over guys who can afford to buy auction/governor type tags and then have some success continues to stun me...at least this next fall you'll have someone else to criticize and berate in the Blues.
come on Dan, jealousy? not with me. I sure would like a crack at a bull like that and I've put plenty of time into learning the elk in the blues. Do you think I'll ever have the chance at killing one? I'm not so sure I will and I gaurantee I will never get to in September with a rifle.
You do, we don't, the difference = MONEY!
I sure hope my kids are rich so that they will be able to participate in the soon to be rich man's sport.
You can hang your bull on the wall next to a receipt, I'll hang mine on the wall next to a pair of worn out boots. :twocents:
sorry if I sound rude, I just don't like the way things are heading.
Post by: bigpaw 77 on March 08, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
BLUEBULLS This is exactly how I feel about the situation too. I have spent years learning a unit in the blues and have 13 bull points and I am patiently waiting to draw a bull tag, but that may not ever happen if the Blues get all the attention that Moss brings with him. Im just out weighing the money our state gets to the impact this could have on one of the very few "Trophy" areas in the state. I also do not like the way things are heading.Do know that agnew didn't buy the tag so all of the folks on here that want to continue to put down a guy who over the years has put in his time...days, weeks and months...on elk hunts and put lots of money into elk habitat through tag buys can find someone else to roast and put down. The jealousy on here and in other forums over guys who can afford to buy auction/governor type tags and then have some success continues to stun me...at least this next fall you'll have someone else to criticize and berate in the Blues.
come on Dan, jealousy? not with me. I sure would like a crack at a bull like that and I've put plenty of time into learning the elk in the blues. Do you think I'll ever have the chance at killing one? I'm not so sure I will and I gaurantee I will never get to in September with a rifle.
You do, we don't, the difference = MONEY!
I sure hope my kids are rich so that they will be able to participate in the soon to be rich man's sport.
You can hang your bull on the wall next to a receipt, I'll hang mine on the wall next to a pair of worn out boots. :twocents:
sorry if I sound rude, I just don't like the way things are heading.
Post by: 400out on March 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I will hold my head higher will my bull that he could ever come close to. ;)
Post by: RandyF on March 08, 2011, 01:32:55 PM
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Post by: Bigshooter on March 08, 2011, 06:00:40 PM
Most of the guys on here buy there deer, elk, bear, and cougar tags plus apply for a whole bunch off permits. Is that fair for the guys that can't afford to do that? This has been a rich mans sport for a long long time now. It's time for some of us to get over it.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 08, 2011, 06:02:14 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 08, 2011, 06:07:41 PM
I for one don't agree with it but then again I have never had the money to purchase Auction tags...........
Wouldn't hang the SOB on my wall though................
Post by: Bigshooter on March 08, 2011, 06:11:20 PM
oh ya, the guy carrying the beat up ol Model 94 30-30 chasing elk around trying to feed his family was just enjoying a RICH MANS SPORT............
I for one don't agree with it but then again I have never had the money to purchase Auction tags...........
Wouldn't hang the SOB on my wall though................
Ya I see a lot of those guys these days. :rolleyes:
Post by: Bigshooter on March 08, 2011, 06:14:59 PM
I don't see a difference for that guy. But nobody complains about the guy that buys and out of state deer or elk tag.
Post by: The100Road on March 08, 2011, 08:37:18 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 08, 2011, 08:41:47 PM
...under the circumstances that have been being discussed.Are they the same as the actual circumstances, or are they based on speculation and rumor?
Post by: BENCHLEG on March 08, 2011, 10:23:51 PM
Post by: Alchase on March 09, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
They say they offer it because they make so much money "for the cause", I call BS.
It they really were wanting to make money "for the cause" they would offer this tag in a separate lottery that all hunters could have a chance to buy, At $5.00 a ticket it would only take 9400 hunters to equal $47K. Charge $10.00 and it would only take 4700 hunters to equal that. And this way you would be offering that once in a lifetime hunt to everyone with equal chances. Not the same guy year after year, no disrespect the guy who has been buying them at all.
I just do not buy their logic, or motives for a got to be rich to pay to play.
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
For everyone who doesn't support auction tags, where should that money come from then if there were no auction tags? We should just raise the price of our licenses some more? The money's got to come from somewhere right?
Do tell....
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2011, 12:31:22 PM
It they really were wanting to make money "for the cause" they would offer this tag in a separate lottery that all hunters could have a chance to buy, At $5.00 a ticket it would only take 9400 hunters to equal $47K. Charge $10.00 and it would only take 4700 hunters to equal that. And this way you would be offering that once in a lifetime hunt to everyone with equal chances. Not the same guy year after year, no disrespect the guy who has been buying them at all.
I just do not buy their logic, or motives for a got to be rich to pay to play.
they already do that, it's our raffle tag system.
Post by: coachcw on March 09, 2011, 12:36:40 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
You can hang your bull on the wall next to a receipt, I'll hang mine on the wall next to a pair of worn out boots. :twocents:
I agree BLUEBULLS. Not to take a stab at any auction tag holder, but those hard earned animals found by myself or close friends in the toughest conditions mean a lot more to me on the wall than my late (special) tag animals. :twocents:
Post by: GoldTip on March 09, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 09, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2011, 03:13:12 PM
Post by: 1bugman on March 09, 2011, 03:21:15 PM
I didn't get that feeling from any response I read, Goldtip. My only really negative thing about any auction tag is the publicity it puts on animals in certain areas, and yes it is ruining some.
:dunno: If it's a good area, then it's going to get out that it is a good area, any ways. it happens all the time. I don't like hunting around a bunch of people either, but that's what happens. And I don't get to hunt pravate land or have a bunch of time to hike to far from the road.
Post by: gramps on March 09, 2011, 03:21:44 PM
All money from the sale of hunting license and tags goes to the State Wildlife Account and is used by the game dept for game related items. For the current budget that expires 30Jun11, that amounts to $86.9 million. Most fishing license fees and some commercial fishing fees go to the General Fund and the Game Dept gets $73.4 Million back for it's budget. Total budget for the game dept for current 2yr cycle is $326.3 million.
Post by: bearpaw on March 09, 2011, 03:44:03 PM
Throughout the west these auction tags help fund a variety of projects. Without them I think the average hunter would have to step up and pay more for game management. While I can not say for sure what program the WA governor elk tag funds will go to, I think it does offset costs for WDFW and what all other hunters must pay for licenses.
I personally wished I could afford to buy one of the governor tags and do the hunt for myself, but they are beyond my budget. I certainly want to thank the sportsfolks who are willing to help support our wildlife management with these purchases.
Now before you guys flame me, no, I have never guided a governor tag hunt, but I still feel the sales of these few tags are a definite benefit to the state and to all Washington hunters.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 09, 2011, 03:58:54 PM
I didn't get that feeling from any response I read, Goldtip. My only really negative thing about any auction tag is the publicity it puts on animals in certain areas, and yes it is ruining some.
:dunno: If it's a good area, then it's going to get out that it is a good area, any ways.
Not true at all. I know many that will attest to this. :)
Post by: 400out on March 09, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
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Post by: deerslyr on March 09, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
I didn't get that feeling from any response I read, Goldtip. My only really negative thing about any auction tag is the publicity it puts on animals in certain areas, and yes it is ruining some.
:dunno: If it's a good area, then it's going to get out that it is a good area, any ways.
Not true at all. I know many that will attest to this. :)
These internet forums have 10 fold the effect on those hunting areas than the Auction tags do. I'd go so far to say that the Auction tag hunters and the areas they hunt would get very little publicity if it weren't for these forums. Maybe we should shut down the forums.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 09, 2011, 09:09:14 PM
Stating that they money goes to the State Wildlife account is wrong since it actally goes into the general fund where the wdfw is allocated funds out of. If a person can afford to bid on the auction then more power to them. They shouldn't be crusified for having the ability to do so because most most would too if they were put in the same shoes.
Post by: bone head on March 09, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
I have no problem with this. It brings in alot of money to the state that wouldn't be there in the first place.
Stating that they money goes to the State Wildlife account is wrong since it actally goes into the general fund where the wdfw is allocated funds out of. If a person can afford to bid on the auction then more power to them. They shouldn't be crusified for having the ability to do so because most most would too if they were put in the same shoes.
Sky-you're incorrect.
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How were the proceeds used?
By law, the revenue from a particular species auction and raffle tags must be spent on management of that species. Given that, the expenditures (since July 1999) for deer and elk have been marked for special projects, including a buck mortality study on black-tailed deer, investigations of deer hair loss syndrome, elk augmentations, elk carry-capacity study, and elk calf survival investigations. Expenditures for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats has been primarily for annual surveys for these species (83%), with smaller costs associated with special research projects (8%) and raffle tag marketing (9%).
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html)
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AUCTIONS
2008
2009
Deer - Westside
6,500
7,000
Deer - Eastside
14,000
7,500
Elk - Westside
21,500
17,000
Elk - Eastside
65,000
44,000
Moose
20,000
25,000
Mountain Goat
13,500
8,500
Bighorn Sheep - California
61,000
49,500
YEARLY TOTALS
$201,500
$158,500
1994-2009 Auction information [PDF]
Figures provided in this document are Wildlife Management's tracking of revenue on a calendar year basis. These figures differ from the fiscal accounting required by the State Auditor for the July 1 through June 30 period. Raffle ticket sales for a given year overlap fiscal years. Fiscal reports do not track expenditures for auction and raffle separately. We compiled the revenue and expenditure figures for auction and raffle separately by species for internal
Post by: 400out on March 09, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
You would find alot of postal workers on here if you did :chuckle: :mgun2:I didn't get that feeling from any response I read, Goldtip. My only really negative thing about any auction tag is the publicity it puts on animals in certain areas, and yes it is ruining some.
:dunno: If it's a good area, then it's going to get out that it is a good area, any ways.
Not true at all. I know many that will attest to this. :)
These internet forums have 10 fold the effect on those hunting areas than the Auction tags do. I'd go so far to say that the Auction tag hunters and the areas they hunt would get very little publicity if it weren't for these forums. Maybe we should shut down the forums.
Post by: kirkl on March 09, 2011, 09:41:55 PM
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