Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 01:21:57 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 07, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
Post by: Caseyd on March 07, 2011, 01:35:31 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 07, 2011, 01:38:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 07, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 01:45:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 07, 2011, 02:00:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 02:08:12 PM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on March 07, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
Very intresting. I wonder how they figure out the value of the guns? If you buy a gun for 100.00, and it is a 1000.00 rifle and has a 800.00 scope on it. But you got a great deal. How to they figure out what a scope and rifle is valued at :dunno: Or do they just go off the purchase price?
I think they are supposed to treat it like the state does for vehicles. Blue book says that 97 truck you bought in Idaho for 5000 is worth 9000 so you owe us the taxes for a 9000 dollar truck!
So in this case you'd be paying taxes on $1800.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 07, 2011, 02:14:13 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 07, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
Be aware!! I was told that this pertains even if you are gifted a gun if the gun changes ownership.
RCW 82.12.020(3)
This is direct from my FFL guy.
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2011, 02:19:28 PM
(b) The tax imposed by this chapter does not apply:
(i) If the sale to, or the use by, the present user or his or her bailor or donor has already been subjected to the tax under chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter and the tax has been paid by the present user or by his or her bailor or donor;
(ii) In respect to the use of any article of tangible personal property acquired by bailment and the tax has once been paid based on reasonable rental as determined by RCW 82.12.060 measured by the value of the article at time of first use multiplied by the tax rate imposed by chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter as of the time of first use;
(iii) In respect to the use of any article of tangible personal property acquired by bailment, if the property was acquired by a previous bailee from the same bailor for use in the same general activity and the original bailment was prior to June 9, 1961; or
(iv) To the use of digital goods or digital automated services, which were obtained through the use of a digital code, if the sale of the digital code to, or the use of the digital code by, the present user or the present user's bailor or donor has already been subjected to the tax under chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter and the tax has been paid by the present user or by the present user's bailor or donor.
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 02:21:48 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2011, 02:22:54 PM
Guess this will be the last new gun I buy......individual sales only from here on out.You will still pay sales tax if they legally cross state lines.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 07, 2011, 02:27:03 PM
Support your local gun shop! Buy guns from them. :twocents:
Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
Guess this will be the last new gun I buy......individual sales only from here on out.You will still pay sales tax if they legally cross state lines.
I understand that, but I was referring to face to face transactions with private parties (Non-dealers)
Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
Support your local gun shop! Buy guns from them. :twocents:
I would love to be able to do that, but the gun I bought for under $1300 they sell for $1800. That's a no brainer in my book. Have competetive prices if you want my business.
Post by: GreyWolf on March 07, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
He would just asked how much it was & he said just give him a realistic answer.
We started giving him the list of guns & lowers we wanted & the prices we could get them for on the internet, plus the transfer fee & he got us everything we wanted with no problem, even ammo. Once he knew he was losing the money he started carrying a lot more product.
Post by: cryfowl on March 07, 2011, 05:52:32 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 07, 2011, 06:07:03 PM
Post by: haugenna on March 07, 2011, 06:09:33 PM
:chuckle:LOL....Can't legally charge sales tax for goods purchased in another State, so lets make up a new tax and call it a USE Tax and have it conveniently be the same percentage as sales tax. :o Why am I not surprised?
I believe this tax was established in the late 60's early 70's. It was never enforced. With state budget issues, it is being enforced.
Similar to the seatbelt law. I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket. Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.
Post by: Lowedog on March 07, 2011, 06:18:34 PM
If I had known about the tax I would have had the owner ship me the upper and the lower to the dealer.
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
Similar to the seatbelt law. I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket. Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.
That's because it was never a law until recently!
Post by: haugenna on March 07, 2011, 07:58:59 PM
Similar to the seatbelt law. I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket. Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.
That's because it was never a law until recently!
Sorry. I grew up in Iowa. It has been a law since the mid 90's.
Post by: Bob33 on March 07, 2011, 08:05:20 PM
http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/ (http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/)
Post by: Jason on March 07, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
transferring a hand gun from an out of state seller, and 3 out of 5 ffl's I called said they would have
to charge me a tax on top on the transfer fee's :yike:
Post by: haugenna on March 07, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
Similar to the seatbelt law. I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket. Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.
That's because it was never a law until recently!
Actually,
Washington adopted the law July 11, 1986 for people age 16 and above in all seats.
Iowa was July 1, 1986 for people age 11 and above for the front seats only.
Both states were Primary enforcement.
Post by: bobcat on March 07, 2011, 08:10:26 PM
Post by: Jason on March 07, 2011, 08:17:08 PM
Use tax in Washington has been around a long, long time. It is difficult to enforce, so it hasn't been. Washington residents cross the border into Oregon, buy goods with no sales tax and bring them back to Washington. The goods are subject to use tax, but without stopping cars at the border it is very difficult to track for most purchases.Most who live in Washington and shop in Oregon work in Oregon also, Usually half or more of my wages every year are in Oregon,
http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/ (http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/)
so they can kiss my ass on paying a use tax in washington to bring goods accross when I pay Oregon state tax's.
Post by: Bob33 on March 07, 2011, 08:23:50 PM
Post by: Hyde on March 07, 2011, 11:14:34 PM
Post by: GUHunter on March 07, 2011, 11:58:47 PM
In an interstate transfer of firearms the Washington gun dealer is required to collect retail sales tax from the Washington resident on the purchase price of the firearm. The retail sales tax is collected from the Washington customer at the time the customer takes possession of the firearm. Sales tax is collected on the total selling price, including freight and/or delivery charges and other amounts added, such a an amount for insurance coverage.
If the selling price is not evident, it is up to the gun dealer to obtain this price by either requiring the purchaser to show the purchase price or to obtain that information from the out-of-state dealer. If, for whatever reason, the dealer is still unable to obtain the original purchase price, RCW 82.08.010 provides that the fair market value shall be used. It is the responsibility of the Washington gun dealer to determine the price in order to report and pay the sales tax due.
I work for an FFL in Spokane and we recently had to start this as well. Believe me, many are not happy about it.
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2011, 11:16:56 AM
What happens if someone gifts you a rifle in New York lets say. For example, my dad gives me a gun. Why should I pay tax on a gun that is given to me. Is there a way around the tax in that instance?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 08, 2011, 11:22:32 AM
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2011, 11:47:39 AM
Post by: cryfowl on March 08, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2011, 01:43:40 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2011, 01:47:31 PM
Maybe that would work as long as that's the story.
:dunno:
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2011, 03:58:16 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
Do you have to mail it USPS? Doesn't UPS ask what you are shipping and if you say firearms, they require it to be shipped to an FFL? I'm not sure about the USPS.............
No they don't ask. I've done it 5-7 times.
Never a question asked.
They just want to know if you want insurance.
Post by: Special T on March 08, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: aer212 on March 30, 2011, 10:01:57 AM
Post by: BlackRidge on March 30, 2011, 10:19:54 AM
I'm fine paying where legitimate taxes are due, but this is just stupid
Great topic though, there are a few of my grandpa's rifles waiting for me in California. Was wondering how I'd go about getting it back up here
Post by: Special T on March 30, 2011, 10:21:11 AM
Post by: trippledigitss on March 30, 2011, 02:46:53 PM
Oh and the dealer I use also requires a copy of the invoice showing the price - otherwise they will use the 'book value' to determine the tax :twocents:
Post by: trippledigitss on March 30, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Very intresting. I wonder how they figure out the value of the guns? If you buy a gun for 100.00, and it is a 1000.00 rifle and has a 800.00 scope on it. But you got a great deal. How to they figure out what a scope and rifle is valued at :dunno: Or do they just go off the purchase price?
You are supposed to pay tax on the purchase price including shipping, regardless if it was for the firearm or accessories. WIth no invoice they use the book value. I tried to get the out of state dealer to give me an invoice that said $100 for the gun and $800 shipping but it didnt work - I had to pay tax on the full amount! :dunno:
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 30, 2011, 03:11:20 PM
My SIL is from Michigan. When he enlisted in the Navy 5 years ago he left his long guns behind. Ultimately ended his Navy tour of duty in Everett and has now settled down in Bothell in a new to them home with my daughter.
Since he owns the guns and wants his Dad to ship them out here, must he go through an FFL to do so? Other options?
And if the FFL is the only option, is he subjected to either a use or sales tax situation?
Post by: trippledigitss on March 30, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 30, 2011, 03:26:06 PM
The move of the guns to this state triggers the tax.
Post by: rtspring on March 30, 2011, 03:31:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
Not exactly a transfer but a gun forwarding question. A little foggy in what has been mentioned here since this situation is possibly a bit different.
My SIL is from Michigan. When he enlisted in the Navy 5 years ago he left his long guns behind. Ultimately ended his Navy tour of duty in Everett and has now settled down in Bothell in a new to them home with my daughter.
Since he owns the guns and wants his Dad to ship them out here, must he go through an FFL to do so? Other options?
And if the FFL is the only option, is he subjected to either a use or sales tax situation?
The guns already belong to him. There is no transfer of ownership involved. I think if he dives into this a little he will find that he doesn't have to do the FFL transfer at all. The guns already belong to him. No guarantees, he should do his homework on his own, but I suspect that's what he'll find out.
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 30, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
Thanks you two.
Research time!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 30, 2011, 04:23:12 PM
They just went and flew to Michigan for their daughters 3rd birthday earlier this month.
The conversation went kinda like this:
"Hey, why the hell didn't you run your guns through baggage claim?"
"Uh, I didn't think you could."
"Well, not everyone drives to Alaska to go whack a moose for example."
"Yeah, I guess your right. I should have asked you about this sooner huh?"
"Ya think."
:chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 30, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
I'm no expert but I say Yep - if they are out of state I think they have to be shipped to FFL. FFL transfer will be taxed on book value.
This is very very intresting a friend of mine ;) has done 3 tranfers in the last 3 weeks at 2 diffrent dealers and has not paid sales tax at either location and both dealers have said you do not have to pay sales tax if the guns come from say a state like oregon. So don't know what to think now days. Glad I don't have to worry about it 8)
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2011, 04:34:40 PM
I'm no expert but I say Yep - if they are out of state I think they have to be shipped to FFL. FFL transfer will be taxed on book value.
This is very very intresting a friend of mine ;) has done 3 tranfers in the last 3 weeks at 2 diffrent dealers and has not paid sales tax at either location and both dealers have said you do not have to pay sales tax if the guns come from say a state like oregon. So don't know what to think now days. Glad I don't have to worry about it 8)
Your friend got lucky.
I posted this earlier in this thread.
Quote
Unless you can prove that you paid sales tax when you bought the gun, the FFL holder is obligated by law to collect the sales tax. You need a bill of sale saying how much you paid for the gun or they will charge you sales tax on the fair market value.
Be aware!! I was told that this pertains even if you are gifted a gun if the gun changes ownership.
RCW 82.12.020(3)
This is direct from my FFL guy.
Quote
(3)(a) Except as provided in this section, payment of the tax imposed by this chapter or chapter 82.08 RCW by one purchaser or user of tangible personal property, extended warranty, digital good, digital code, digital automated service, or other service does not have the effect of exempting any other purchaser or user of the same property, extended warranty, digital good, digital code, digital automated service, or other service from the taxes imposed by such chapters.
(b) The tax imposed by this chapter does not apply:
(i) If the sale to, or the use by, the present user or his or her bailor or donor has already been subjected to the tax under chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter and the tax has been paid by the present user or by his or her bailor or donor;
(ii) In respect to the use of any article of tangible personal property acquired by bailment and the tax has once been paid based on reasonable rental as determined by RCW 82.12.060 measured by the value of the article at time of first use multiplied by the tax rate imposed by chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter as of the time of first use;
(iii) In respect to the use of any article of tangible personal property acquired by bailment, if the property was acquired by a previous bailee from the same bailor for use in the same general activity and the original bailment was prior to June 9, 1961; or
(iv) To the use of digital goods or digital automated services, which were obtained through the use of a digital code, if the sale of the digital code to, or the use of the digital code by, the present user or the present user's bailor or donor has already been subjected to the tax under chapter 82.08 RCW or this chapter and the tax has been paid by the present user or by the present user's bailor or donor
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 30, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Post by: 87Ford on March 30, 2011, 05:04:23 PM