FFL gun transfer question

[bobcat]

I think we need an attorney to translate.   

[cryfowl]

Guess this will be the last new gun I buy......individual sales only from here on out.    

[jackelope]

Guess this will be the last new gun I buy......individual sales only from here on out.    

You will still pay sales tax if they legally cross state lines.

[TheSkyBuster]

Support your local gun shop! Buy guns from them.   

[cryfowl]

Guess this will be the last new gun I buy......individual sales only from here on out.    

You will still pay sales tax if they legally cross state lines.

I understand that, but I was referring to face to face transactions with private parties (Non-dealers)

[cryfowl]

Support your local gun shop! Buy guns from them.   

I would love to be able to do that, but the gun I bought for under $1300 they sell for $1800.  That's a no brainer in my book.  Have competetive prices if you want my business.

[GreyWolf]

Me & my friends had this same thing happen to us while I was still in CA on AR lowers. We had done a lot of business with a shop in the past years & he never taxed anything before 2009, he started doing it in 2010.

He would just asked how much it was & he said just give him a realistic answer.

We started giving him the list of guns & lowers we wanted & the prices we could get them for on the internet, plus the transfer fee & he got us everything we wanted with no problem, even ammo. Once he knew he was losing the money he started carrying a lot more product.

[cryfowl]

 :chuckle:LOL....Can't legally charge sales tax for goods purchased in another State, so lets make up a new tax and call it a USE Tax and have it conveniently be the same percentage as sales tax.  Why am I not surprised?   

[haugenna]

Correct.  It is a use tax.  There are a couple ways to reduce the tax.  If the out of state party provides a bill of sale, you will pay the tax on the bill of sale or you can pay the blue book value.  The blue book value is left to interpretation.  A brand new gun is worth MSRP.  In this case you will want to get a bill of sale since you payed. A used gun is worth less.  If you buy a used gun and the barrel is shot out of it, it is worth much less.  The dealer transferring the gun in has to be able to show a balance in his books in the case of an audit.  

[haugenna]

:chuckle:LOL....Can't legally charge sales tax for goods purchased in another State, so lets make up a new tax and call it a USE Tax and have it conveniently be the same percentage as sales tax.  Why am I not surprised?   

I believe this tax was established in the late 60's early 70's.  It was never enforced.  With state budget issues, it is being enforced.

Similar to the seatbelt law.  I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket.  Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.

[Lowedog]

I just bought a used AR complete rifle from an individual and had it shipped to my local dealer for FFL transfer.  This is only the second gun I have bought out of state and shipped to the same dealer.  The first time several years ago I wasn't charged tax.  This time they charged tax.  I had no bill of sale and he asked what I paid for it.  I said what if I say $200?  He said I will have to look up the value and charge it on that.  I asked if he needed just the price of the gun without shipping and he said they need the total paid including shipping.  I gave him a realistic number and called it good. 

If I had known about the tax I would have had the owner ship me the upper and the lower to the dealer. 

[bobcat]

Similar to the seatbelt law.  I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket.  Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.

That's because it was never a law until recently!

[haugenna]

Similar to the seatbelt law.  I grew up never wearing seatbelts and never got a ticket.  Now, I always wear one for two reasons, safety, and financially.

That's because it was never a law until recently!

Sorry.  I grew up in Iowa.  It has been a law since the mid 90's.

[Bob33]

Use tax in Washington has been around a long, long time.  It is difficult to enforce, so it hasn't been. Washington residents cross the border into Oregon, buy goods with no sales tax and bring them back to Washington.  The goods are subject to use tax, but without stopping cars at the border it is very difficult to track for most purchases.

http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/

[Jason]

When I bought my new Pistol this year I called around to a few FFL's to get a price for accepting and
transferring a hand gun from an out of state seller, and 3 out of 5 ffl's I called said they would have
to charge me a tax on top on the transfer fee's