Post by: jdb on May 18, 2008, 05:31:52 PM
Post by: Ray on May 18, 2008, 05:46:49 PM
I think it would be a mistake not to have an AR in the arsenal.
Post by: jdb on May 18, 2008, 06:02:07 PM
[/quote]I sure cant argue their validity they just do nothing for me. but I guess I see there usefulness
Post by: mossback91 on May 18, 2008, 07:09:02 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 18, 2008, 07:14:38 PM
1. 7.62 x 39 in case the Chinese win .......Ak-47 etc
2. 7.62 NATO .............AR 10
3. .223 Rem ..............AR 15
that way all bases are covered.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on May 18, 2008, 07:15:47 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 18, 2008, 07:16:58 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2008, 07:21:25 PM
Post by: Head-shot on May 18, 2008, 07:59:45 PM
I'm also with Shawn on the .308 sniper (7.62 nato), i do love a head-shot
And the 870 would be pretty handy too.
Almost gives me a " mean-on" thinking about it :mgun:
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 08:38:28 PM
for me, a mauser 98 8mm. cheap ammo.. fairly powerfull. that or any control round feeding rifle in 30 cal or bigger. remington 870 pump is a good choice. just one barrel tho.. i could do without a pistol.
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2008, 08:48:29 PM
i wont trust my life to a 223. too complicated to totally break down during a crisis . may be easy in a shop or at home with lights,, but not when its dark and dirty.
Perhaps you should enlighten the folks putting these in the hands of our men and women fighting the wars, we don't want to be sending them into battle with an unreliable/complicated firearm ;)
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 08:56:53 PM
look, not all of us are trained by the government, honestly.. that, and in this sorta situation,, there is no armorer to fix your weapon.
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 09:03:36 PM
the us gov has had a very bad habit of not outfitting soldiers with good gear pertaining to weaponry... remember the alin conversion 1873 springfields?.. ammo was faulty, with drawn copper cases,,, these tore and ripped, causing a horse soldier to get very dead.. during the philipine insurection,, we used the 38 lc,, with very bad results.. we went from the good 45 to the 9mm... i trust my own judgments more than a bunch of brass.
Post by: Head-shot on May 18, 2008, 09:36:51 PM
Post by: Ray on May 18, 2008, 09:38:08 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
Post by: Ray on May 18, 2008, 09:46:50 PM
In addtion I am unconcerned about someone else's reliability worries.
Post by: huntnphool on May 18, 2008, 09:47:53 PM
its funny you bring that up.. ol general boddington wont hunt with a semi auto, because of the issues with keeping it clean he says.. but it is issued...
look, not all of us are trained by the government, honestly.. that, and in this sorta situation,, there is no armorer to fix your weapon.
Well good luck to Gen. Boddington in a gun fight with a bolt action, my bet is he would choose the AR if given the choice unless he is a long distance expert.
Your right about the training, however if you are reading this thread and own an AR I'm also betting you know enough about guns to make sure you can clean and repair the majority of any minor issues that may occur. I never said it was the perfect weapon, just said it would be one of my choices. I would choose a AK too.
Like you said though, trust your own judgments, I'm sure you know more than the brass making these rediculous decisions anyway. :chuckle:
Post by: Ray on May 18, 2008, 09:53:15 PM
Quote
unless he is a long distance expert.Distance is not always a factor at all as much as it can be to keep the enemy's head down while your partners move in "covered". The AK 74 was a lot better than the 47 model but I don't like those kmart guns.
Post by: saylean on May 18, 2008, 10:02:41 PM
Lets hope it never happens.
Post by: jdb on May 18, 2008, 10:05:22 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 10:17:30 PM
i like a bolt gun, remember, i dont wanna gun fight, just survive. look at a m98, notice what makes it a great rifle.. 8mm , can handle anything you really need,, the safety,, sure, solid, dependable,, locking the firing pin completely out of the way,, can survive rough handling,, the bolt, strong,, super easy to clean ,, ultra reliable, the butt plate, made of steel, these things have smashed thru doors, windows, thumped skulls and putting serious dents in helmuts. the rifle does not have to be clean to work. mauser claw makes sure loads go in or out, not balking.. and they are as versatile as any rifle out there,, triggers, stocks, sights, scopes, barrel legnths,, rechambering,, all sorts of stuff.
if you like the ar,, cool.. but dont poo poo me and snipe me because i dont like your rifle. its a free country, use what you like. while i dont know how to dissasemble an ar,, i would lay wager, if thats still legal in this state, that the bolt rifle is far easier and faster to maintain and clean. take care friends.
Post by: Head-shot on May 18, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
I would just have an ar in the collection for the rapid fire ability, that's all.
Truth be told I would shoot what I had as long as I could, once they shell your house your F---ed most likely anyway :chuckle:
Post by: MountainWalk on May 18, 2008, 10:49:20 PM
Post by: Sagedawg on May 19, 2008, 07:02:47 PM
.300 win mag Tactical - you know for when you need to reach out and touch someone
.223 AR - crowd control ...oops mean critter control
12ga pump- door opener and a dove gun, what more could a guy want.
Sage
Post by: Ray on May 20, 2008, 01:20:42 PM
Quote
if you like the ar,, cool.. but dont poo poo me and snipe me because i dont like your rifle. its a free country, use what you like. while i dont know how to dissasemble an ar,, i would lay wager, if thats still legal in this state, that the bolt rifle is far easier and faster to maintain and clean. take care friends.
I have not seen anyone poo poo other than to just discuss what they like themselves. I wouldn't be upset about it.
There's nothing here that I can see which is intended to validate that you are right and someone else is wrong or the other way around. I think the assertion is that a couple of people and myself included believe that the AR is a good piece to consider having. Including that it has some capabilities which some other rifles do not. I believe that most people would agree with some of the points you have also made. I wouldn't call any of the discussion sniping. However you are entitled to your feelings....
Post by: tlbradford on May 20, 2008, 01:37:17 PM
... i dont wanna gun fight, just survive...
This is my position as well. A lightweight .22 and subsonic ammo. I would also have my .45 for up close protection. Evade and survive.
Post by: simpleshooter308 on May 20, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on May 20, 2008, 10:30:10 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 23, 2008, 06:01:06 PM
Post by: littletoes on May 23, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
#1. AR short barreled, CQB Rifle (don't need all the crazy "cool" stuff though)
#2. Remington 700 "VARMINT" Rifle, Heavy Barrel .308 caliber
#3. .22 LR Heavy Barrel, Bolt Rifle, most accurate you can afford
We're talking a survival situation, so we want ammo as available as possible, FOR THE LONG TERM. None of this 2 or 3 year *censored*....think more in the term of 10 years, or longer.
If the Remington 700 is tough enough for the Marine and Army Snipers.....NUFF SAID. why even debate it?
Why the .22 bolt? Easier to silence....and it may be your primary rifle. 10,000 rounds WON'T be enough.
Ak's and all thier versions might be common, but I'll bet the 'ol AR is just about as common too, if not more so. Anybody seen the pictures of somebody shooting varmints with an AK??? I've only seen one....how many are smart enough to know what that means? Parts??? Upgrades???
Post by: Bofire on May 23, 2008, 06:34:16 PM
Carl
Post by: littletoes on May 23, 2008, 06:38:00 PM
The only one's going to invade us is CANADA! :kneel:
Post by: edmondshunter on May 25, 2008, 08:42:57 PM
A 9mm or 40s&w
A good Shotgun w/lots of slugs
Post by: Craig on May 28, 2008, 12:45:05 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv411%2Ftruck1%2FIMG_1552-1.jpg&hash=bf937c4526618ec936dd122b103def259ba7d43d)
Post by: Ray on May 28, 2008, 12:47:47 PM
Quote
The only one's going to invade us is CANADA!
Actually the invasion is coming in on the southern border. It is a silent and non hostile invasion per say.
Post by: sisu on June 03, 2008, 07:42:49 PM
Oh yea, whats with the "Invasion" talk????Only if they run out of beer and ice for hockey.
The only one's going to invade us is CANADA! :kneel:
Post by: simpleshooter308 on June 04, 2008, 11:08:31 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on June 04, 2008, 11:47:29 PM
That red one looks like a gun for wonder woman!QuoteThe only one's going to invade us is CANADA!
Actually the invasion is coming in on the southern border. It is a silent and non hostile invasion per say.
I can only do so much........lol......... :mgun:
Post by: littletoes on June 19, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
They haven't used the Winny since Vietnam. XM110 has a following, as does the M-21 (previous M-14), and a few others.
Craig, love them AR's, think I'd get one more magpul stock...they are the bomb.
Post by: littletoes on July 29, 2008, 08:27:50 PM
Post by: jeff100 on July 29, 2008, 08:58:01 PM
Since I roll my own, I stockpile components, not ammo. Once I get to my cabin, my ample supplies should keep me there in good health pretty much as long as I need to be there.
One thing, at that point, all my subsistence hunting would be done with my .223 bolt, and all my insurgent hunting would be done with my .260 Rem. Hit and run....
And invasion or not, I don't go many places without my favorite .40 cal pistol anymore anyway.
If this were to really happen, how long do you think loaded ammo would really be available, in any caliber.... :o
Keep yer powder dry...Jeff
Post by: demontang on July 29, 2008, 09:59:11 PM
AR 5.56
sks 7.62
a couple shot guns 12ga
bolt 22lr
semi 22lr
pistol 44mag
bolt 338 winmag
just need a 308
Post by: Bean Counter on August 01, 2008, 11:02:42 AM
If this were to really happen, how long do you think loaded ammo would really be available, in any caliber.... :o
Keep yer powder dry...Jeff
I've taken the word of a gentleman I consider to be a very reliable source and he quotes observation that at any one time, there is about a 100 year supply of guns in the United States... and only about a 2 year supply of ammo. To further emphasize that perspective, I have noticed that price sensitivity in raw materials (namely brass, copper, etc) usually drives up the cost of ammo more than firearms, at least on a % basis.
Stock up on ammo.. buy the guns later, if necessary. Just my :twocents:
Oh yeah.... pray that it never happens, thank God for the Constitution, etc. etc.
Post by: Bean Counter on August 01, 2008, 11:05:01 AM
Here is some of my end of the world guns.
Craig,
That is a beautiful picture. :drool: I am most envious. It is an inspiration to me. I need to be that cool some day. Maybe I'll forgo movies, new clothes, and oil changes... Well, scratch that last one. :P
Post by: Craig on August 01, 2008, 11:54:22 AM
Post by: littletoes on August 01, 2008, 05:10:05 PM
Achieve a 10 year stockpile......
Post by: jeff100 on August 01, 2008, 07:00:53 PM
Quote
there is about a 100 year supply of guns in the United States... and only about a 2 year supply of ammo. To further emphasize that perspective, I have noticed that price sensitivity in raw materials (namely brass, copper, etc) usually drives up the cost of ammo more than firearms, at least on a % basis.
I assume that is a 2 year supply in the pipeline, during times of peace. If a domestic shooting war were to break out, I'm betting that ammo supply will dry up in 6 months or less. Probably dramatically less. The thing is, if we were to be invaded, the US military would not want civilian ammo or weapons available to the enemy. My guess is, post invasion, (day 2), what you have, will be what you have. A good example was 9/11. That morning, I was at the dentist watching the news while getting my teeth worked on. I will NEVER forget that moment, watching that 767 fly into the WTC on the news. I build these babys, and I could tell the way that aircraft was being flown, that was no accident. The only unanswered question in my mind, was, was this a nutcase pilot, or was this an act of war.
I left the dentist and drove straight to my local gunshop to buy another pistol. It was still closed when I got there, yet there was a long line of men waiting for the store to open. $hit had hit the fan.... If ferrin troops had hit the our soil that day, I'm betting that store, and all others selling guns and or ammo would be sold out or ransacked, in the first day...
I've been reloading close to three decades now. For the first time I can recall, primers are in short supply. They have been in short supply for a couple of years now. The supply comes and goes both pistol and rifle, large and small primer size. It continues to be spotty with no end in sight. This is in the context of all sources, local merchants, internet sales, anywhere I know of. My understanding is this is because of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and the amount of lead therapy we're administering over there. Old timers tell me these ammo component shortages in the civilian market were also common during the previous major wars as well.
No primers...no ammo...period. Given desperate times, I could probably eventually home brew powder from raw materials....maaaybe. I could melt down my lead boat anchor to make cast bullets. I'm sure I could scrounge more lead too. But no way am I coming up with a home brew primer replacement. In my experience, primers are the most 'strategic' component in reloading.
So, over the last two years I've stockpiled primers, buying them whenever I found primers to buy in bulk. I recommend anyone who reloads, do the same....Jeff
Post by: littletoes on August 01, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Post by: jeff100 on August 01, 2008, 10:12:34 PM
Quote
There is simple equipment to build your own primers, and recipes for the mix....
??? Do tell...I'd be curious to know what's involved... :whoo:
Post by: Bean Counter on August 01, 2008, 10:25:58 PM
Quotethere is about a 100 year supply of guns in the United States... and only about a 2 year supply of ammo. To further emphasize that perspective, I have noticed that price sensitivity in raw materials (namely brass, copper, etc) usually drives up the cost of ammo more than firearms, at least on a % basis.
I left the dentist and drove straight to my local gunshop to buy another pistol. It was still closed when I got there, yet there was a long line of men waiting for the store to open. $hit had hit the fan.... If ferrin troops had hit the our soil that day, I'm betting that store, and all others selling guns and or ammo would be sold out or ransacked, in the first day...
......
So, over the last two years I've stockpiled primers, buying them whenever I found primers to buy in bulk. I recommend anyone who reloads, do the same....Jeff
See, that's what I'm talkin' about! :yeah:
9/11: I was still in college being programed by the 'Libs but lemmie tell you, that day was the beginning of the end of that crap in my brain. When a catastrophie hits, even the Kool Aid People have to retreat into the ocean of reality. No offense to you open minded, hard working Dems out there.
I will definitely take your advice and also stock up on some primers and what not. But for now you've helped solidify my conviction that I need to buy this ammo soon, even before I get the guns to shoot 'em with
:mgun:
Lets all thank God to live in the U.S.A. and hope that our honorable vigilance never requires a 100% unleashing. May God bless America.
Post by: littletoes on August 02, 2008, 01:29:39 PM
I've got over 11,000 primers on the shelf now....just have to quit shooting quite so much, but its a dang-hard-to-quit weekness of mine.....and I've infected the kids! :bdid:
jeff100-I think our worries will come from "within". Ever think about our local Law Enforcement taking firarms from citizens in the wake of Katrina? Those same citizens that were only defending thier property.....
In those same circumstances, Americans were raping Americans, taking food, water, property-From Americans. Only those that had weapons could defend themselves, and thier property.
In a situation such as that, of cource you could not purchase reloading components, nor could you purchase firearms, they were not available, nor would Big Brother allow it....Why?
I have no fear of another country invading us (except Canada, since our Pres signed the bill to allow Canadian Forces to Police American Peoples in case of a "Police State", and boy oh boy has there been a buch of rights signed away in the name of "Protection").
If you are waiting for somebody to invade.....your missing the boat.
Post by: jeff100 on August 02, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
Quote
jeff100-I think our worries will come from "within". Ever think about our local Law Enforcement taking firarms from citizens in the wake of Katrina? Those same citizens that were only defending thier property.....
Littletoes - Yes. You and I are on the same page my friend. I didn't start the thread nor want to hijack it, but I couldn't agree with you more. I am unconcerned about aggression on our soils by a foreign state. Domestic threats, that's another story. IMO, these are very dangerous times. I can't imagine what another ten years is going to bring...
That's all I have to say in a public forum...Jeff
Post by: littletoes on August 03, 2008, 07:38:22 AM
Look at the next presidential election...two of the most liberal candidates to have ever run, you vote for the "least" of the two, and we as Americans still loose.
Its NOT a choice, we have Constitutional Rights, and they keep getting circumvented by laws in the name of our own protection....a bunch of crap.
Another, we keep having laws passed that force us to become a country with Mexico and Canada...but thats another aspect all together....it does place a burden on the working men and wemon of our country though.
Post by: jeff100 on August 03, 2008, 02:27:01 PM
Quote
I'm with you Jeff, but I would add, what we will be seeing is the loss of more and more rights, sort of a 'chipping away'.
Again, we agree. I have been in violent disagreement with my 'buddies' about all these laws changed/passed in the name of homeland security. I don't get it, my normally independent buds seems willing to bend over and give up any and all their freedoms, if some idiot claims it's necessary in the name of fighting terrorists.
I will say, we are somewhat lucky to live in Washington state. The state constitution was written my men who really had the citizens best interests at heart. It would be flat out unconstitutional for the state government to confiscate any weapons during a disaster.
Quote
Washington State ConstitutionSECTION 2 SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land.
SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired...
That probably wouldn't stop Hagwire and her flying monkeys from trying some scam to get around this law if they wanted to ignore it, but that's another topic...Jeff
Post by: littletoes on August 03, 2008, 03:42:31 PM
QuoteHagwire and her flying monkeys
:lol4:
Post by: alecvg on August 03, 2008, 04:22:37 PM
my browning abolt .30-06
pistol grip shotgun of some sort
and a PS90 in 5.7x28mm
Post by: YukonMud on August 25, 2008, 07:32:30 PM
Actually the invasion is coming in on the southern border. It is a silent and non hostile invasion per say.
Could not have said it any better
Post by: Rhinoron247 on August 25, 2008, 08:25:38 PM
I could go on forever here, but bottom line is; I will be prepared as best as possible, but you can't feed your family with ammo and without medicine and medical treatment you won't recover from a bullet wound. Assuming your in an ever lasting gun fight (The one that uses all that ammo) your bound to take one.
Don't get me wrong here I truly believe 9mm, 223 and other NATO type ammo will be currency someday but that currency will be spent hand to hand not muzzle to muzzle for most people. I will also only give up my guns and ammo bullet at a time but my shots will be well placed.
I guess I think about survival from a different perspective. I want to survive with my family to see the outcome.
Food power and real security are what really matter to me.
Ok enough of a rant.
Post by: wence5 on August 27, 2008, 10:28:47 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 20, 2009, 06:21:34 PM
Post by: mossback91 on February 20, 2009, 06:29:13 PM
Post by: mossback91 on February 20, 2009, 06:33:22 PM
I am thinking a 10-22 and an 870 u cant go wrong and they will prabably last for ever and u can pretty much take care of most things with a 10-22 a couple 1,000 rounds of 22,s and u r set for a long time or for ever
SWEET I already got those........lol
Post by: PolarBear on February 20, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
Post by: mossback91 on February 20, 2009, 06:52:50 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 20, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
and all my insurgent hunting would be done with my .260 Rem. Hit and run....
If we get to that point, you would be the insurgent.
As far as 10/22's go, I totally agree. Mine is a piece of crap. Anyone have a recommendation for a similar gun that actually works?
Post by: jdb on February 21, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
Post by: ing on February 21, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Post by: MasterMisser on February 23, 2009, 07:45:01 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on February 23, 2009, 07:51:14 PM
A shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive.....
I like the way you think :chuckle:
Post by: ing on February 23, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
Thanks, are you a Hank Jr. fan?A shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive.....
I like the way you think :chuckle:
Post by: RailRob on February 24, 2009, 10:52:27 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 27, 2009, 04:25:46 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.combatcarry.com%2Fvbulletin%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fvol_1%2Fbigun2.gif&hash=ab832232eec253c908ef90278c055218b2d2e1bf)
Post by: mossback91 on February 27, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
Post by: elkaholic on February 28, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Post by: addicted on February 28, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Either a drilling or a vierling. Its a 3-4 barrel gun with caliber of choice including shotguns and rifles. Usually a double barrel shotgun over a rifle barrel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_gun
they are very popular over here for drive hunts where you could should several different species in a short period of time.
its on my wish list.......jeeze that list is getting long.
Post by: AceInTheWild on March 10, 2009, 09:36:25 PM