Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 07:58:09 AM
Post by: alecvg on April 01, 2011, 08:00:14 AM
Post by: rasbo on April 01, 2011, 08:01:40 AM
Post by: Wazukie on April 01, 2011, 08:12:23 AM
while they are logging:yeah: What he said.
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 08:15:03 AM
Post by: Armadillo on April 01, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Post by: robodad on April 01, 2011, 08:21:08 AM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 01, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Im sure in the winter the elk will eat the tops of the trees that have fallen, but dont you think they go after the grass versus the boughs during the fall?
Year round. They love boughs.
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 01, 2011, 09:00:07 AM
Post by: funkster on April 01, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
Post by: Armadillo on April 01, 2011, 09:23:19 AM
Nevermind what I said... Please stick to the timber and you'll tag out! Its almost a guarantee, right guys?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 01, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
A friend of mine used to swear that his best deer call was a chainsaw, we have harvested many animals while out getting wood for camp.
I also really like how quiet you can be on all the fresh earth the equipment stirs up, compared to the rest of the woods during season, and where I used to hunt they logged from around 2:30 AM until about 11:00 AM because of the fire danger, and after the workers left, we would go check it out, always fresh tracks, and in the evening....
Post by: PolarBear on April 01, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 10:31:27 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 01, 2011, 10:33:17 AM
I hate how some logging companys spray after they log to stop the underbrush from growing and kill the would be grass to come up. :bdid:But I do like planting clover seed along those new roads and firebreaks. ;)
Post by: jess on April 01, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 10:36:50 AM
Post by: logger on April 01, 2011, 03:49:56 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
Post by: chester on April 01, 2011, 04:46:46 PM
Packwood huh? Well if there gets to be too many just let me know and ill be happy to take care of that problem! I wonder where you can find about the current logging jobs going on....
Just drive around until you see a yellow sign telling you that your not authorized :chuckle:
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 04:54:36 PM
When my dad was a feller back in the day, the deer and elk would be all over and he even told me that he's seen deer and elk get in the log trucks before.hey thats a good idea thanks
As for finding out where they are logging, call the owners/agency of the land or follow the log trucks. Locals will always know where they are logging so ask one of them.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 01, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
Post by: wildwood on April 01, 2011, 06:00:30 PM
Post by: 400out on April 01, 2011, 07:50:09 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
Sounds like a new twist to Axmen! Bringing a elk up with a yarder :chuckle:Haha could you imagine! Let me guess quarter it with a chainsaw right!
Post by: frostman on April 01, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
We showed up a month later and the timber was gone. Just piles of slash and very much deer and elk sign.
This southwest facing spot will be a premier feed area as soon as it gets some sunlight and grows new browse.
I love clearcuts. We need to make many more in the National forests.
What do you guys think is the best age of clear cut to find deer and elk? On wetside, I think 6-10 year are best.
Post by: CastleRocker on April 01, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
I've also seen them drop their calves in our fell & bucked. (That's actually the only time I ever felt bad about taking a nice stand of Cedar). Apparently that was were they liked to calve every year and they weren't going to pick a different place just because there wasn't anything standing there anymore.
Like others have said about working on the rigging; they come through, and sometimes you have to stop yarding so you don't take out the whole damn herd.
In fact when the herd comes through your setting during hunting season, and some idiot starts shooting toward you...well, It's NOT a good feeling. I think that's a big part of why the gates are locked now during the week. I would've loved to get my hands on a few of them.
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 01, 2011, 09:27:28 PM
Post by: jess on April 01, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2011, 10:05:15 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2011, 08:57:49 AM
Ok so i hear from all of you that you agree the animals love the freshcut greens, but my question is what happens when the greens are gone and the grass hasnt started growing yet? The animals would move on for awhile at least and then maybe come back once the grass starts to grow. Agree?
My buddy shot his bull this year in the middle of a year old clearcut. There wasn't a stitch of green. I don't think they really give a Damn whether its been logged. If there's trees they will use it as cover. If there's browse they will use it to eat. If there is neither then they will use it for easy travel.
Post by: Armadillo on April 02, 2011, 09:37:52 AM
Post by: alecvg on April 02, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
Ive heard some talk about deer and elk using the clearcuts not only a food source but as their primary hangout spot when their antlers are in velvet and therefore sensitive
This is true, I drive around in the clear cuts and see deer, does and bucks, right off the road in the clearcuts, but once september comes they are in the timber and thick nast brush. Same with deer in the alpine, blacktails especially, you see buck all summer long in velvet, then come september, they take alot of work to find.
Post by: zackmioli on April 02, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
Post by: logger on April 02, 2011, 07:29:01 PM
Post by: frostman on April 02, 2011, 07:41:17 PM
Packwood hasn't seen a new clearcut for decades outside the no shooting zone. The Elk are all in the Big Bottom now. There isn't any feed in the grown over clearcuts.
They are doing some thinning in the 25 year stuff. Should help a little. There is huge reprod areas that need commercial thinning and a lot of mature second growth timber that could be harvested.
This is the essence of the battle between conservationists (hunters / loggers) and preservationists (environmental groups / liberal democrats). These insane liberal interests believe it requires a hands off approach when it comes to public lands. This is suicidal to the forests.
You can not change the past. You can't change the fact that the forest service contracted out to the timber interests and took out a lot of old growth. Given this fact it is vital to continue to manage the land.
Sell timber, make clearcuts! Deer and Elk like clearcuts.
Post by: PolarBear on April 02, 2011, 10:30:17 PM
Post by: 44 Flattop on April 03, 2011, 04:30:05 PM
More than once when I was running skidder, after I had set the chokers and was choking the turn into the back of the skidder, I literally pulled tree tops right out of the mouths of a deer or elk.
Also when I was running shovel during deer season I used to keep my pistol with me. More than once I shot a buck in between skidders skidding in their turns. Once during elk season a hunter came walking in to the landing. He had killed a bull at the back edge of our unit where we had just skidded the logs out of. We skidded his elk into the landing while he went and got his truck, then I took hold it it with the shovel and set it in the bed as he backed in.
Saved that guy a LOT of work!
44
Post by: elkboy on April 03, 2011, 05:00:29 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on April 03, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
Deer and elk also like oat hay pastures right as it is ready to cut and bale! A herd of elk can come in and in a couple of nights mash several acres of prime hay right down to the ground. :bash:Ain't that the truth!
Post by: AKBowman on April 04, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
while they are logging:yeah: What he said.
X3. Actually seen em this past late season bedded near logging equipment on two different equations. I mean right up next to the equipment, within a few feet. Old guy who had been hunting back there for 25 plus yrs told me they will bed right up under the logging equipment on the weekends cuz they feel comfortable.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on April 06, 2011, 02:55:48 PM
Post by: Alan K on April 06, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Back when clearcuts were burned after logging, I'd see deer and elk both licking the edge of a burnpile while it was still burning, occasionally. Must be something in the ashe.
More than once when I was running skidder, after I had set the chokers and was choking the turn into the back of the skidder, I literally pulled tree tops right out of the mouths of a deer or elk.
Also when I was running shovel during deer season I used to keep my pistol with me. More than once I shot a buck in between skidders skidding in their turns. Once during elk season a hunter came walking in to the landing. He had killed a bull at the back edge of our unit where we had just skidded the logs out of. We skidded his elk into the landing while he went and got his truck, then I took hold it it with the shovel and set it in the bed as he backed in.
Saved that guy a LOT of work!
44
Cool story!
Post by: blackhorn on April 06, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 06, 2011, 04:13:57 PM
Post by: jess on April 06, 2011, 08:49:13 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 06, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
Sounds like a new twist to Axmen! Bringing a elk up with a yarder :chuckle:
Thats been done a time or two, so has loading them whole into a crew bus with a shovel. grin
Post by: logger on April 06, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
Post by: jess on April 06, 2011, 09:59:55 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on April 06, 2011, 10:24:06 PM
i also understand timber companys are about producing timber but why not thin like they used to and let the animals live like they used to???
No offense.. Use to is gone... It's been gone since before i was a little kid...... My Dad always tells me about these places that were great after the burn or logging.... Then they sprayed..... Good thing about some sprayers is they're too lazy to leave the truck and or road..... If they do airplanes or really do ground work you're f! Just what I know... :twocents:
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 07, 2011, 08:01:42 AM
Post by: logger on April 07, 2011, 09:05:35 AM
i also understand timber companys are about producing timber but why not thin like they used to and let the animals live like they used to???
The timber co's are doing this for economic reasons, the mills don't want big logs anymore, ever since the spotted owl *censored* mills have retooled to cut small logs, blame the evrio's for that one. As far as burning blame that one on the general public pissin and moanin about polluting the air, they won again no more burning at least on the west side anyway.Some do thin to an extent but it's like a farmer thinning his corn crop, aint gonna happen, too costly and only half the product gets harvested and sent to market, they have to get as much revenue per acre just like a farmer does with hay or corn or whatever he's growing. They DO NOT GET TAX BREAKS, it is taxed as timberland just the same as if you or I had 10 acres of timber. I think the forest service needs to step up and start harvesting some of our timber again, that would get the elk and deer back to where they belong instead of in everybody's field in the cowlitz valley.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on April 07, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
Seen a herd this year and they werestill staging logs.while they are logging:yeah: What he said.