Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 05, 2011, 11:59:36 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 05, 2011, 12:06:12 PM
You need to get with someone who knows what they are doing to get you through it.
People have different ideas and standards for FFing a dog. It has nothing to do with playing fetch and your dog bringing stuff back to you.
Where do you live? maybe we can find someone to help you finish your pup?
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 05, 2011, 12:25:26 PM
i live in ellenburg and frequent yakima this dog was so smart and promising but now she is just scared i would love to keep her but not spend a fortune to try to keep her and have the same end result a house pet!
sent you a PM-
Ryan at Longhollow would be a good resource but, he might still be down in south training. Lee Salmon at Wind River could help you out in Ephrata-
You could probably do a few training sessions on FF with someone and get sent home with "homework" and re-visit them on weekends. Someone needs to watch what you are doing to make sure you are doing it right. Little mistakes can make a big impact-
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 12:31:51 PM
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Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 01:12:49 PM
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Post by: Gamblin Guy on April 05, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on April 05, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
Post by: BallisticsNut on April 05, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
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maybe what about reprimanding her for not doing as commanded does that work at all im willing to give it a shot im so close to getting rid of her i just dont wanna spend all my time and effort for her to jst be sent packin after i research another litter for a tried and true line!Reprimand does not work, only makes them more fearful.
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I have taken a few classes on dog training but never taken a class to train a dog for retrieving for hunting but I have trained a few dogs to retreive for fun.
Someone said, start off short distance and work your way up. Sounds like good advice to me.
Dogs learn to be sensitive or fearful of certain commands, actions and items. Desensitizing them can be a long process but it has to be slow. I would start off with the item and reintroduce it to them, let them know its not going to hurt them, nor you. If they take interest, reward them with excitement, praise and give them a treat. Get him/her to mouth it and reward them when they do. Move further away just a few inches or a foot. Use exitement in your voice and encourage the pup to pick it up.. when he/she does.. reward with exicitement, praise and a treat. Move further and do again and again. Wont be long before they are running around again. Just becareful not to yell, or discipline the pup during this time, you will have a long road if you do.
DONT give up on the pup, get training yourself if needed. The pup only knows what you teach, if he fears you, its because something you have done, try not to do that again.
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Post by: Rick on April 05, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
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Post by: gasman on April 05, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
Let her be a pup.
Play with her, encourage her, teach her sit, stay, come, but make it fun........
Tasty treat's, like small pieces of "hot dogs" after she does some thing wright, will go a long way. Treats when you first start FF Will help also. they will want to do better to get a treat and to make you happy.
Have fun right now, and start the work training after adult teeth are in.
Work with an experienced trainer before you start FF. Learn from them the proper technique.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 05, 2011, 03:05:17 PM
The best pro wouldn't try FFing a dog until they've lost all their baby teeth and most still even wait until a month or two after that.......maybe at around 8 months would be a better time to consider it.
nothing more than gentle reminders at that age- nothing to do with breeding or making a hunting dog.
My young dog I spent two weeks teaching "HOLD". Spent another week teaching fetch then another week just on force fetch and collar conditioning.
Buy Bill Hillmans puppy DVD ASAP! It will be worth its weight in gold to your dog and help you along the way- watch it and follow it closely. You'll see he has fun with puppy, short sessions and simple lessons..
Post by: wildweeds on April 05, 2011, 03:06:10 PM
CAN YOU TELL I'M A LITTLE HOT? For starters, have you got any kids? If you do I highly doubt that they were potty trained before the age of 2 and could do trigonmetry and nuclear physics at 8 years old.Your pup needs to be a pup and that pup of yours has about at least another 15-20 months worth of puppy in it. I DON'T CARE WHAT BREED IT IS,they need to be pups and do what pups do.If you wanted a started dog that would do everything you desired you should have bought one,not tried to turn a 3 month old into what you wanted overnight. BACK OFF IT AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Teach the dog basic things like kennel and here or come,leave the pressure stuff alone or your gonna end up with a turd.
Don't blame the force fetch for ruining your dog....................the guy that ruined your dog looks back at the culprit every morning in the mirror.I really doubt that any retriever trainer with any ethics at all would be red hot to trot on force fetching a dog before the age of 18 months,they got to be with it enough between the ears to not fold up like a cheap tent under the pressure.Sounds to me like you want it all right now and yesterday.I bet the kennel you bought your dog from would be more than willing to take the thing back before you make matters worse.
she is 12 weeks now and i never had any expectations for her until i saw that she piched up every command the first few tries and then after 3 weeks one day of playing fetch with a new toy she doesn't wanna listen to fetch or come now should i just revert to what i originally did when i got her and have no expectations and when should i start expecting her to start actin like a good dog fetching coming and sitting!? and so on!
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 03:43:33 PM
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 05, 2011, 03:53:36 PM
lol wild weeds maybe you are not getting it i never hurt the dog i opened her mouth put the bumper in and congragulated her but she already knows all her commands and did by 10 weeks so that is the only reason i wanted her to try to fetch a bumper i see thnow that any ffing was a bad idea but i was less than 5 mins of effort and if you read my previous posts never expected anything of her this is not my first hunting dog but is my smartest fastest learning hunting dog so after all the good stuff for one day just opening her mouth to change all that was unexpected now im rethinking my wants because of all the other positive replies on here and all the research i am doing.That was about the most painful single sentence to read in so many different ways. :chuckle:
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
hahaha
Post by: gasman on April 05, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
The pup thinks she is getting something special for doing some thing right (when training).
I had treats for my dogs and rewards for training. I kept them seperate and when the hot dogs came out, they knew it was tine to impress. They like the reward better then the treats.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 05, 2011, 04:18:14 PM
Hot dogs are cheap. Buy a pack, cut them small and keep them on the fridge untill you train.
The pup thinks she is getting something special for doing some thing right (when training).
I had treats for my dogs and rewards for training. I kept them seperate and when the hot dogs came out, they knew it was tine to impress. They like the reward better then the treats.
My dog already has gas here and there that will clear a room and peel the paint off the walls. I can only imagine if I fed her hotdogs here and there. :DOH:
Post by: Stilly bay on April 05, 2011, 04:32:40 PM
I don't care how well you think your pup knows its commands, at 12 weeks there is no foundation to start force fetch work.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 05, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
force fetching isn't putting a bumper in a dogs mouth FYI-
You seem a little confused on the training thing- teach him good obedience, potty training and have fun with him. When he's closer to a year old- maybe look for some help from a pointer guy for introduction to bird and gun-
Like force fetching- there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it-
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 05:37:18 PM
Post by: wildweeds on April 05, 2011, 07:24:27 PM
Buy the book, read the first three chapters about 3 times,work on the stuff in the first three chapters and then move along IF THE DOGS BEHAVIOR WARRANTS IT.The dog will let you know through body language and behavior when it is time to progress to the next step.
Another book would be "Training pointing dogs" By Paul Long it's another very old book written LONG before the inventions of e-collars and electronic traps.
For a more modern approach consider "The Perfect Start,Perfect Finish" DVD set By John Hahn of Perfection kennels.
For a more personal approach there is a training clinic in May in wenatchee,which would greatly benefit you I can guarantee it.Covers from puppies such as yours to adult training techniques
"Pointing dog workshop" May 14-15 contact Louise Day @ 509-664-6857
you have a GSP- the books mentioned aren't going to help much- maybe a pointer person can make a recommendation?
force fetching isn't putting a bumper in a dogs mouth FYI-
You seem a little confused on the training thing- teach him good obedience, potty training and have fun with him. When he's closer to a year old- maybe look for some help from a pointer guy for introduction to bird and gun-
Like force fetching- there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it-
Post by: huntnfmly on April 05, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
totally understandable happy thanks! i have been training myself all day to just realize she just showed a streak of promise, that is all! and she is still a baby! i will keep at the human training and wait on the dog lol:yeah:
Post by: beau6hunter on April 05, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
Post by: GWP on April 06, 2011, 12:49:50 AM
Track training is good fun and using cheese makes it fun and rewarding for the dog. NO 'HARD' CORRECTIONS at this time in her life. Plenty of time for that. Make everything so easy the dog can't fail. If the dogs fails, back up two steps and start from there. 'Come' or coming with a soft whistle is good, using food as a reward. Carry some around in your pocket ALL THE TIME. Take hotdogs or liver and boil the crap out of it, then cut it into small peices and dry it in the oven with just the light on. It will not smell or be messy, but dogs still love it. If you keep this up making you happy will become the most important thing in her life, and very usefull when the harder stuff comes later.
Post by: beau6hunter on April 06, 2011, 01:24:16 AM