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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 03:23:01 PM

Title: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 03:23:01 PM: I just bought a little .22lr to add to my collection. Its a H&R break action single shot. Seems to be a tack driver using iron sights. Since this one is single shot, I want to turn it into a long range gun. What do you think is the farthest a .22 can go with out seriously loosing accuracy? I would like to keep groups no more than 3-4 inches if possible. Ill have a descent scope that I know can get the job done.

I was thinking no more than 200 yards? due to the bullet having to go from sonic to sub sonic?

What are your thoughts? opinions.

Ammo I will use will likely be remington bulk hollowpoints.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: madmack76 on April 05, 2011, 03:31:55 PM: are you talking plinking range or kill range?
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: MtnMuley on April 05, 2011, 03:45:58 PM: Quote from: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
I just bought a little .22lr to add to my collection. Its a H&R break action single shot. Seems to be a tack driver using iron sights. Since this one is single shot, I want to turn it into a long range gun.

I have never heard of anybody ever mentioning anything like this with a gun of this caliber. You might want to settle on 50 yds, as I'm guessing you won't be able to group them consistant at 3" at 100. I may be wrong................
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: BlackRidge on April 05, 2011, 03:46:12 PM: I'd say you'l probably start noticing a difference past 100yrds. Past 300, I wouldnt expect to hit the target :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: jackelope on April 05, 2011, 03:52:09 PM: I think looking for a 3-4" 200 yard group with the rifle that you're shooting with the ammo that you want to shoot is unattainable.
3-4" at 100 maybe on a dead calm day from the bench, my 10/22 will do that...but ain't happening at 200.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: MtnMuley on April 05, 2011, 03:55:39 PM: Quote from: jackelope on April 05, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
I think looking for a 3-4" 200 yard group with the rifle that you're shooting with the ammo that you want to shoot is unattainable.
3-4" at 100 maybe on a dead calm day from the bench, my 10/22 will do that...but ain't happening at 200.

Does your 10/22 have iron sights like his?
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: FC on April 05, 2011, 04:05:19 PM: Quote from: MtnMuley on April 05, 2011, 03:45:58 PM
I have never heard of anybody ever mentioning anything like this with a gun of this caliber. You might want to settle on 50 yds, as I'm guessing you won't be able to group them consistant at 3" at 100. I may be wrong................

I try not to shoot my scoped 22 at much under 100 yards, the hold-over at 150 is quite a bit but still seems quite accurate, this particular gun will group under an inch at that 100 yards :twocents: I have no idea how well the OP's rifle shoots.

FWIW, some experimentation will be necessary to find the ammunition your rifle likes best, sub-sonics won't be an option at much over 50 yards. I would say you can probably get better results at 300 yards than you might think but you will need a pretty tall front mount for that scope :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 05, 2011, 04:19:23 PM: I would say 150. But 100 and under is better :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: jackelope on April 05, 2011, 04:20:24 PM: Quote from: MtnMuley on April 05, 2011, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: jackelope on April 05, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
I think looking for a 3-4" 200 yard group with the rifle that you're shooting with the ammo that you want to shoot is unattainable.
3-4" at 100 maybe on a dead calm day from the bench, my 10/22 will do that...but ain't happening at 200.

Does your 10/22 have iron sights like his?

No...I was assuming that he's not planning on shooting like he wants to with iron sights. If he is, then I think this thread is a joke.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: dad98684 on April 05, 2011, 04:29:55 PM: with my tc encore 22 lr i get 1 inch groups at 100 yards on a calm day. shooting golf balls out to 150 yards with a 6" +/- hold over. i am shooting 32 gr cci stingers.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: rtspring on April 05, 2011, 04:30:37 PM: anything under 150 yds, after that it is a guessing game......

under 100 yds DEADLY WEAPON
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Special T on April 05, 2011, 04:55:35 PM: I killed prarie dogs out to 16o yards +- 10 yrd with the 36 grain bulk rem
Energy at yrds muzzel , 50 100
131 100 82
Velocity F-sec muzzel 50,100
1280, 1117, 1010

from rem site

I was able to killem way out but got no confirmed kills, they either crawled back in the hole or wer drug back in... You own the gun so why not do a shoot up for us?
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 05:06:28 PM: Sure Ill do a report, sounds like a good idea, ill try to include a video.

This is all just for fun, no hunting, just plinking so I am not really worried about energy.

I guess Ill just give it a go at 150 to see what I can do, will hold out for a nice calm day. 3-4 inch groups may be pushing it :chuckle: But hey ill try my best.
Ive got a nice bi pod installed on the gun, and am waiting for my scope rail to mount up my scope.

I guess we should talk about ammo. What do you think would be a good accurate round? I mentioned the remington bulk stuff because i already have around 1500 rounds of it for my ruger mark III, but I guess I wouldn't be apposed to buying some stuff specifically for this gun, as .22 is cheap anyways.

Special T - Nice man! Sounds like 150 yards is doable then!
MtnMuley - I am using a scope, read the rest of the post.

Here is some videos of guys shooting long range with their .22lr!
Long Range 22 LR Rimfire 400 Yards Savage Mark II BTVS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHI4C9BIdj8#)
Long range .22 Rimfire at 200 yards. Video 2 of 2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzX-hOFURuI#)
Joey 10/22 Plinking at 200 yards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n971FZ4A2A#ws)
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on April 05, 2011, 05:13:17 PM: I have an old Remington 552 Speedmaster that is a tack driver. I have a 3-9 scope with adjustable turrets on it. It will shoot sub MOA groups at 100yds. Have not tried anything over 100 with it yet.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Bofire on April 05, 2011, 05:28:58 PM: Are you talking measured groups on a paper target or "beer can groups"? I used to shoot precision match 50 meter with a 22 rifle, a Remington had about 1200 into it the guys who were "good" had 2500 - 4000 in the guns, most had 2 or 3. These guns will not even chamber non match ammo or about 10.00 thru 20.00 per box. Mine could and did shoot .25 group regularly at 50 meters, some guys much better. the 10 ring bull was .25 inch and the X was .125, there are 25 targets one shot at each, some guys who won consistently shot 245-248 with 5 thru 18 X's.
At 50 I saw bullets move an inch in a light wind gust. I think if you guys shoot a few hundred rounds thru paper targets at those ranges with those guns you are in for a real eye opener. My 2. :hello:
Carl
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: FC on April 05, 2011, 09:49:44 PM: Quote from: Bofire on April 05, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
I think if you guys shoot a few hundred rounds thru paper targets at those ranges with those guns you are in for a real eye opener. My 2. :hello:
Carl

I haven't shot paper with mine since I sighted it in when I changed the scope last but yeah it was shooting measured groups at under an inch with the 4x that was on it before, my typical targets are expended 12ga and 410 shells at 80-100 yards. It is without a doubt my most accurate rifle.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Bob33 on April 05, 2011, 09:57:13 PM: Quote from: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 05:06:28 PM
I guess we should talk about ammo. What do you think would be a good accurate round?
You're asking the wrong crowd. Only your gun can answer that question. What works well in one gun may shoot very poorly in yours. The great news is that .22 ammo is relatively inexpensive. Try out several different brands; I think you will be surprised how much variation you get.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 10:00:38 PM: Alright sounds good. Ill just acquire 4 or 5 different types and hit the range.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: FC on April 05, 2011, 10:51:14 PM: Quote from: Recurve-Elk on April 05, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
Alright sounds good. Ill just acquire 4 or 5 different types and hit the range.

Try more than that, try as many as you reasonably can until or unless your goals are achieved.
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2011, 11:12:08 PM: The 22rimfire will kill out to 150yds, but at 200, you're pushing things. And, with rem bulk ammo, you've got a pipe dream going. My target rifle with 32x scope will easily shoot moa at 100yds. The target below is at 75yds watching the wind flags carefully with target ammo. The rifle has a 14oz trigger, has a 24" bull barrel and weighs in at near 14 pounds with scope. At 200yds, it does shoot sub 5" groups on a calm day if I do my part, but even temperature differences between muzzle and target that far away will buffet a bullet that is slowing down. At that distance, the bullet rotation does not lend to the best down range BC. Don't expect that your 'tack drivin break action' plinker will do that well with bulk Remington ammo.

-Steve
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: Bob33 on April 05, 2011, 11:32:52 PM: Check out this article: http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html)
Title: Re: Long range .22lr, max effective range?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2011, 11:44:31 PM: Yes, that is an excellent article. I get another 50fps or so with the long barrel so I was dialing in about 25moa for 200m.
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In terms of wind drift, shooting a 22 LR at 150 yards is equivalent to shooting a .308 at 330 yards.

There was a guy at our range that ran a similar rimfire challenge to 200m a couple years back. There wasn't a short skinny barrel in the mix. Bung tuners, incredibly light triggers, NightForce scopes on rimfire guns. You'd think they were shooting F-Class! :chuckle:

-Steve