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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Seabeckian on April 15, 2011, 10:13:56 PM

Title: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Seabeckian on April 15, 2011, 10:13:56 PM: Found out I got drawn for the multiseason deer tag tonight, and I was just wondering if anyone has been able to find any of last years (or any other years) statistics on how many people put in for the multiseason deer and/or elk tags. I can find about every other stat on WDFW's website, but nothing regarding how many people actually put in for the multiseason tags. I did hear its an easier draw. Hopefully I didn't miss someone recently posting this same question. :dunno: THANKS!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Seabeckian on April 15, 2011, 10:15:44 PM: odds* ;)
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 15, 2011, 10:43:09 PM: I looked for those numbers too, a while back, and couldn't find anything. I suppose an email or a phone call to the WDFW in Olympia, might get you an answer, if you happen to get the right person. I'd be curious to know how many people applied for the deer this year. I thought it would be a sure thing, with 4000 permits being available. (but I didn't get it)
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 15, 2011, 10:57:47 PM: bobcat, I think you can still get one as long as some of the people selected don't buy their permit.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Seabeckian on April 15, 2011, 11:44:41 PM: Quote from: bobcat on April 15, 2011, 10:43:09 PM
I looked for those numbers too, a while back, and couldn't find anything. I suppose an email or a phone call to the WDFW in Olympia, might get you an answer, if you happen to get the right person. I'd be curious to know how many people applied for the deer this year. I thought it would be a sure thing, with 4000 permits being available. (but I didn't get it)

This year there were only 2000 available. I could be wrong, but looking at the application deadline dates in the regs; the 2010 regs is what shows this years multiple season application page (pg. 76). Which makes sense since you have to apply before the 2011 regs are available. Next year is when I believe the tag quotas increase.

Hopefully someone has made the phone call and can provide us with the info on how many people applied. Otherwise... I will be taking your advice and try giving someone from the dept. a call monday to get this mystery question solved. Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2011, 12:03:40 AM: Seabeckian- you make a good point. If that is true then there are a lot of us who have this all wrong. The 2010 regs also say:
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If selected, multi-season tags will be available on a first come, first served basis until the quota is reached. Once the quota is
reached, multi-season tag sales will end.

So which one is it? Is it first come, first serve? Or is it that anyone who draws can purchase a multi-season tag up until September 1st? Now I'm confused. :dunno:
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 16, 2011, 12:42:17 AM: That is confusing. Almost like they drew more people than they had permits reserved for. I would *assume* that if you hold a drawing for 4,000 permits that you only select 4,000 hunters--especially if they're paying for the drawing.
That statement makes it seem like they drew more hunters than permits, then let the selectees figure out who actually gets the permit. So just being drawn wouldn't guarantee a permit.
For some reason I thought that if they don't sell the quota by Sep 1st, the unsold permits would be available without having been drawn.
I could be wrong, just how I read it.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2011, 12:48:17 AM: No more confusion. I found this:

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WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE

NEWS RELEASE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
February 24, 2011
Contact: Wildlife Program, (360) 902-2515

Hunters have until March 31
to apply for multiple-season permits

OLYMPIA - Deer and elk hunters have until March 31 to enter their name in a drawing for a 2011 multiple-season permit, which can greatly increase their opportunities for success in the field.
In early April, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) will randomly draw names for 4,000 multiple-season deer permits and 850 multiple-season elk permits.
Winners of the drawing will be eligible to purchase a special tag allowing them to participate in archery, muzzleloader and modern-firearm general hunting seasons for deer or elk in 2011. Winners who purchase the multiple-season elk tag by Aug. 31 can participate in general elk-hunting season in both eastern and western Washington.
Winners also may apply for any weapon type deer or elk special permit.
“This is a great opportunity for hunters to extend their hunting season this fall,” said Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW. “Rather than having to choose one hunting method over another, hunters drawn for a multiple-season permit who purchase the tag can participate in multiple seasons.”
Ware noted that the tags can only be used during general seasons and in game management units that are open during a modern firearm, muzzleloader, or archery general season. For example, winners may not hunt during the muzzleloader general season in an area that is not open for the muzzleloader general season.
Also, hunters can apply only once for each species and are limited to harvesting one deer or elk.
Hunters may purchase a multiple-season permit application at an authorized license dealer, listed at http://wdfw.wa.gov/lic/vendors/vendors.htm (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lic/vendors/vendors.htm), or by calling (866) 246-9453. The permit application is $6.50 for residents and $60.50 for nonresidents.
A 2011 hunting license is not required to submit an application, but winners of the drawing must purchase one before they can purchase a multiple-season tag.
Hunting licenses and multi-season tags can be purchased from local license dealers, on the Internet (http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/ (http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/)) or by calling (866) 246-9453. Multiple-season deer or elk tags cost $180.50 for residents and $1,800.50 for nonresidents, including transaction fees. These figures do not include the cost of an annual hunting license.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=feb2411b (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=feb2411b)
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: chester on April 16, 2011, 12:56:50 AM: so im liking the way this reads. it means if cant scramble 240 together in the next week i can wont lose my tag. i like knowing i have a little time to come up with the money. :)
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: halflife65 on April 16, 2011, 06:51:39 AM: It appears that the odds are greatly dependent on who you are. For instance, despite having three or four points, I have a 0% chance of drawing. My dad, on the other hand, evidently has a 100% chance of drawing every year. He doesn't need no stinkin' points to draw. I'm not even sure if he puts in - I think that they just send him one.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 16, 2011, 07:11:21 AM: I think they intentionally draw a few more names then they plan on selling. That is probably why they give guys so long to purchase them plus they don't have to redraw.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2011, 11:01:13 AM: Well yeah, they drew 2000 more names for the deer than they expect to sell. It will be interesting to see how many are actually sold.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: blacktailcrzy on April 16, 2011, 12:36:45 PM: man i had a feeling i would draw deer for sure but i have yet to talk to anyone how has
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: herdbull33 on April 16, 2011, 04:35:26 PM: I also drew a multi season deer tag and i dont have good luck.
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Post by: jrod on April 16, 2011, 05:12:41 PM: i drew had 4 points though :o
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Post by: teanawayslayer on April 16, 2011, 05:16:38 PM: I was drawn for deer with 2 points. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :tup:
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Jason on April 16, 2011, 06:00:25 PM: I've drawn the Deer tag twice in 5yrs with 2 points each time, one year I didn't apply.
I've drawn the Elk tag twice in 5yrs, first time with 3pts second time with 2pts
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Digger on April 16, 2011, 06:12:10 PM: I drew this year for deer with no points.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Seabeckian on April 16, 2011, 08:15:36 PM: Bobcat: I think it's funny how last years regs (which supposedly posted this years multiseason tag info), and the news release you posted from February contradict each other. I'm guessing since your news release posting was more recent, that's going to be the reliable source in the matter. But how do they expect us to all be on the same page, when they can't even do it within their department?! I did like it better when I thought I drew one of the 2000 available tags, in contrast to one of the 4000 available tags.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: HuntingFanatic on April 16, 2011, 08:27:04 PM: Well When my dad was buying his bear app and purchasing his tags he bought a multi season app because he dont know what hes doing! Lol we own no ML or bow...but I put him in for s & giggles. He drew. So thats one tag that wont be purchased!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Seabeckian on April 19, 2011, 10:02:57 AM: So on another post I'm sure a few of you were following, "sakoshooter" received a response from WDFW that among other things had stated there were 8000 applicants for both deer and elk. Mystery solved!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bigpaw 77 on April 19, 2011, 10:15:40 AM: I drew for deer last year with 2 points and drew again this year wih 0. I hope I saved some luck for a special elk tag.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bonenarrow on April 19, 2011, 12:09:34 PM: Wow I got spring bear and both multi season tags
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on April 19, 2011, 12:26:51 PM: I drew in 2009 and again this yr.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 19, 2011, 12:34:04 PM: I didnt draw elk again! imagine that! And I had 4 pts! :bs:
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on April 19, 2011, 01:35:53 PM: Last year my son drew multiseason deer. In late June or July he got a letter from WDFW saying that there were still permits available. He decided he didn't want to spend the extra time and effort to learn a completely new method (archery or ML) so he didn't buy the tag. Fact is that they overdraw because not everyone will buy one. I have one this year and really have to examine if I want to drop $180 just to be able to have another week or two to hunt. Different story for elk but I get deer in my yard most of the year and got my deer last year 100 yards from my gate. Only reason I applied is because I'm thinking of trying for muleys.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: saylean on April 19, 2011, 01:55:31 PM: was drawn for deer with 3 pts and elk with 4 pts.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: millertime89 on April 19, 2011, 02:13:12 PM: its too bad that so many extra people enter the multi-season and special permit drawings with no intention or means of actually purchasing the tag if they draw.. Especially since they don't re-draw or offer a second chance purchase for unclaimed tags to the people who'd actually be interested.

but maybe i'm just biased because i didn't draw anything yet this year :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: SeaRun1 on April 19, 2011, 02:22:32 PM: I wish they could figure out a way to get the unused tags out to people who applied that actually want them. I did not draw but was looking forward to trying my hand at all three methods. I did not have any points though.

SeaRun1
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 02:26:49 PM: They planned on not selling all of them. That's why they drew 4000 people for the multi-season deer, and the quota is actually only 2000. But of course this year they're so hard up for money that they are not going to stop sales when/if they hit 2000. They will just go ahead and go over the quota. That's right- who cares if the deer are wiped out from the excessive pressure. The WDFW needs the MONEY!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:09:24 PM: There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. We have us hunters to thank for that!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:09:39 PM: I've applied all six years. I'm 3/6 drawing Deer and 1/6 drawing Elk.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:12:02 PM: Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. We have us hunters to thank for that!

That's not true. We had a lot more deer statewide back in the 1980's.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:13:30 PM: Quote from: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. We have us hunters to thank for that!

That's not true. We had a lot more deer statewide back in the 1980's.

:yeah: a lot more.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:15:23 PM: There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. I stand behind my statement.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:16:54 PM: maybe more whitetail. But DEFINETLY not more blacktail. In fact there is a LOT less blacktail.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:20:05 PM: Agree on the blacktail decrease due to urbanization of the habitat.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:23:24 PM: Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
Agree on the blacktail decrease due to urbanization of the habitat.

Mostly the hair loss disease.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:24:15 PM: I will have to look that up and do a little research.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:30:34 PM: Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:15:23 PM
There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. I stand behind my statement.

That's 100% wrong but I won't argue. Maybe you should read the Game Status and Trend Report:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=01159 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=01159)
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:36:22 PM: Quote from: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:15:23 PM
There are more deer today than there ever have been in history. I stand behind my statement.

That's 100% wrong but I won't argue. Maybe you should read the Game Status and Trend Report:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=01159 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=01159)

I am very familiar and it only goes back to 2001. That is 15 years away from say 1985. In addition it is by region with some being up and some down but again since 2001. There are more deer today than there have been in past history and we can thank us hunters for that! Again I stand behind my statement.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:37:40 PM: WTH??? There were more blacktail deer, more mule deer, and more whitetail deer 10 years ago than there is today!
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:38:08 PM: I still think you should narrow that down to "More Whitetailed Deer then ever before" but whatever.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: grundy53 on April 19, 2011, 03:39:54 PM: Quote from: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:37:40 PM
WTH??? There were more blacktail deer, more mule deer, and more whitetail deer 10 years ago than there is today!

I don't know enough about the whitetail numbers. But I would totally agree about the mulies and blacktails.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:40:52 PM: Perhaps Grundy but I am not sure there are not more Mule deer today. You could have a valid point however.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 03:46:24 PM: This is only back to 2001 but just look at it- there's no doubt there were more whitetail deer in 2001 than in 2009, and numbers have decreased even more since then. Why do you think they have the 4 point minimum this year in GMU's 117 & 121?
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:52:20 PM: That is indicating the sample size for the study. You really don't believe that is the total deer population for region 13 do you? If so then in 2001 from august to september the deer population dropped in one month by over 30 percent? And GMU 117 and 121 is not in region 13 which is all this chart is referencing.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: Eli346 on April 19, 2011, 04:01:49 PM: I'm 3 for 6 on deer and 1 for 6 on elk. I'm also 4 for 7 on black bear spring apps. Pretty lucky so far.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 04:07:23 PM: Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
That is indicating the sample size for the study. You really don't believe that is the total deer population for region 13 do you? If so then in 2001 from august to september the deer population dropped in one month by over 30 percent? And GMU 117 and 121 is not in region 13 which is all this chart is referencing.

Yes, I can read. But it indicates a trend of a decreasing population. That's why they had a much smaller sample size in 2009 than they had in 2001. What proof do you have that there are more deer in this state now than there was at any time in the past?
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 04:12:49 PM: Quote from: dscubame on April 19, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
And GMU 117 and 121 is not in region 13 which is all this chart is referencing.

GMU's 117 and 121 ARE in PMU 13. You really need to check your facts before posting:
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: monster on April 19, 2011, 04:23:34 PM: i got drawn for deer first year i put in. :IBCOOL: Now I'm trying to come up with the 180 :bash: Then to top it off I don't have a front loader.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: sakoshooter on April 20, 2011, 05:25:38 PM: Quote from: bobcat on April 19, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
They planned on not selling all of them. That's why they drew 4000 people for the multi-season deer, and the quota is actually only 2000. But of course this year they're so hard up for money that they are not going to stop sales when/if they hit 2000. They will just go ahead and go over the quota. That's right- who cares if the deer are wiped out from the excessive pressure. The WDFW needs the MONEY!

Based on 2011 WDFW figures, gross revenue:
8000 applicants for deer = $52,000.00
8000 applicants for elk = $52,000.00
4000 multi-season deer licenses = $722,000.00
850 multi-season elk licenses = $153,425.00
Grand Total = $979,425.00

That's just the multi-season license raffle.
Imagine what the rest of the big game and special permit raffles bring in $$$
I don't know either. I can't count that high.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: KimberRich on April 21, 2011, 02:18:58 PM: Is this a multiseason thread or a deer numbers argument? Maybe someone should start a differetn thread to debate the deer numbers. Just a thought. Some interesting info could come out of it as it seems peolpe have different thoughts.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 22, 2011, 09:58:06 PM: Multi-season Deer Permits for my girlfriend and I.
Title: Re: Multiseason odds?
Post by: kenjo on April 23, 2011, 08:10:41 PM: I drew deer and elk multi-season tags this year. I'm glad I have until Sept 1 to come up with $360. I guess I'll sell one of my handguns...