Post by: beau6hunter on April 21, 2011, 02:54:08 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on April 21, 2011, 08:37:49 AM
Post by: boots on April 21, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
Post by: X-Force on April 21, 2011, 10:55:57 PM
Where are Golden trout in this state?
Post by: Dustin07 on April 22, 2011, 08:19:54 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 22, 2011, 11:49:41 AM
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php/26597-golden-trout-grayling (http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php/26597-golden-trout-grayling)
I think they are going to give you the most trouble out of all the species.
A co-worker just went to chelan with her husband and a guide and they caught a boat load of lakers.
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 11:52:39 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on April 22, 2011, 11:57:29 AM
Where are you going to legally catch a bull trout in WA?
Do you have to "keep" the specimen? I know of legal rivers that have them. C&R?
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 12:02:31 PM
It's a serious question...not trying to be a smartass.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 22, 2011, 12:04:48 PM
Where are you going to legally catch a bull trout in WA?The Skagit, for example, it's legal to retain a Bull trout in excess of 20" in certain stretches and certain times of the year.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 22, 2011, 12:07:09 PM
Legal to target bull trout?Now that's kind of a different question. "Target."
It's a serious question...not trying to be a smartass.
I think what I posted above applies to incidental catching, but I'm not certain of that.
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 12:08:53 PM
Where are you going to legally catch a bull trout in WA?The Skagit, for example, it's legal to retain a Bull trout in excess of 20" in certain stretches and certain times of the year.
Legal to target bull trout?Now that's kind of a different question. "Target."
It's a serious question...not trying to be a smartass.
I think what I posted above applies to incidental catching, but I'm not certain of that.
But those in the Skagit above 20" would be considered Dolly Vardens...sea run bull trout. Not a true Bull trout.
It is completely legal to target Dollys in various places.
Post by: Dustin07 on April 22, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
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Freshwater: It is unlawful to totally remove
salmon, steelhead, or Dolly Varden/bull trout
from the water if it is unlawful to retain those
fish, or if the angler subsequently releases the
salmon, steelhead, or Dolly Varden/bull trout.
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You May Not:
Fish in closed waters.
Retain wild STEELHEAD or DOLLY VARDEN/
BULL TROUT except where specially authorized
in the special rules.
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Possess Dolly Varden /Bull trout in the
field in such condition that the species and total
length cannot be determined.
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Freshwater areas are open 24
hours per day when open.
All FRESHWATER areas are CLOSED to
fishing for SALMON, Dolly Varden/
Bull Trout , Green sturgeon ,
LAMPREY, and GRASS CARP unless
listed as open in Special Rules.
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Release of wild STEELHEAD and Doll y Varde n/Bull Trout is required year-round, except where retention is specifically authorized in the Special
Rules. In freshwater areas (except in the Columbia River between the Buoy 10 line and the Rocky Point/Tongue Point line) SALMON , STEELHEAD, and
DOLLY VARDEN/BULL TROU T to be released may not be totally removed from the water.
Post by: Dustin07 on April 22, 2011, 12:14:53 PM
also flipping through the regs, looks like:
Baker River min 20"
SUIATTLE RIVER
WhiteChuck River
Cascade River
Snohomish River
Skykomish River
Sultan River
Wallace River
and there are more but i'm bored now, lol. however I am seeing a trend in the geographical location of keeper Dollys.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 22, 2011, 12:15:43 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 22, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00930 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00930)
Post by: singleshot12 on April 22, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 01:40:03 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on April 22, 2011, 04:59:58 PM
If anyone else knows why the whole state is closed for dollys except for retention of 20+ dollys in the skagit I should would like to know why?. There are more of them egg sucking char than ever now.
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 05:26:28 PM
If anyone else knows why the whole state is closed for dollys except for retention of 20+ dollys in the skagit I should would like to know why?. There are more of them egg sucking char than ever now.
They do that to protect the endangered bull trout.
Folks cant tell the difference between bull trout and dollys so you release everything.
Post by: couesbitten on April 22, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
I'm not even sure why dollys or bulls are listed as trout when they are char.
Brook trout and Lake trout are char also.
Post by: beau6hunter on April 22, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 23, 2011, 06:16:27 AM
If you know where and how to catch all these fish why are you asking for tips and spots. :dunno:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 23, 2011, 06:28:48 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on April 23, 2011, 07:09:21 AM
If anyone else knows why the whole state is closed for dollys except for retention of 20+ dollys in the skagit I should would like to know why?. There are more of them egg sucking char than ever now.
They do that to protect the endangered bull trout.
Folks cant tell the difference between bull trout and dollys so you release everything.
Personally after fishing and studying these fish myself for over 30 years I believe the Dolly Vardon and Bull Trout are still the same fish and always have been. And only change in appearance slightly whether they be land-locked, resident tidal, or ocean migratory.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 23, 2011, 07:28:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2011, 07:53:28 AM
If anyone else knows why the whole state is closed for dollys except for retention of 20+ dollys in the skagit I should would like to know why?. There are more of them egg sucking char than ever now.
They do that to protect the endangered bull trout.
Folks cant tell the difference between bull trout and dollys so you release everything.
Personally after fishing and studying these fish myself for over 30 years I believe the Dolly Vardon and Bull Trout are still the same fish and always have been. And only change in appearance slightly whether they be land-locked, resident tidal, or ocean migratory.
How's about a steelhead or a rainbow...
The only hand I have in this debate is whether or not the Dolly counts for that slam as a bull trout, and really I don't care about that either...
If you know where and how to catch all these fish why are you asking for tips and spots. :dunno:
That's the best question of the whole thread.
Good luck on your quest, sounds like you know what to do..
here here...
Post by: beau6hunter on April 23, 2011, 09:22:53 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 23, 2011, 09:34:20 AM
As far as showing me how to catch fish... :chuckle: your funny!
Post by: beau6hunter on April 23, 2011, 11:54:08 AM
Post by: Dustin07 on April 23, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
one quick google search of "dolly vardon vs bull trout" yields a LOT of info though!!
http://library.fws.gov/Pubs1/bulltrout.pdf (http://library.fws.gov/Pubs1/bulltrout.pdf)
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Taxonomic work, published in 1978 and
accepted by the American Fisheries
Society in 1980, identified bull trout as
distinct from the Dolly Varden. Compared
to Dolly Varden, bull trout are
larger on average, with a relatively
longer and broader head. Bull trout are
mainly an inland species, while
Dolly Varden are more common in
coastal areas. In Washington, both
species are present in the Puget Sound
area.
Post by: beau6hunter on April 24, 2011, 08:35:23 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 24, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php/16152-Bull-Trout-vs-Dolly-Varden/page3 (http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php/16152-Bull-Trout-vs-Dolly-Varden/page3)
Go back to page one of this link if you dare. :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
I really don't think there has been enough studies or proof that makes them separate species.. A Dolly is a Dolly just like a Rainbow is a Rainbow which have differant strains of the same species and look differant depending on where they live. But what do I know i'm just a biologist without a degree :dunno: :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 25, 2011, 08:17:02 AM
Wouldn't saying rainbows are rainbows and Dolly's are char being more comparable when you're having the apples to apples discussion? Many different species of rainbow trout, from Kamloops to beardslee to redbands to different steelhead to blah blah blah....dolly, bull, brook trout, lake trout? Different "subspecies" maybe or "strains" or whatever you want to call them?
I'm not a biologist and I don't have a degree in anything so I'm asking a legit question, not trying to be a smartass.
Post by: Dustin07 on April 25, 2011, 08:28:22 AM
dustin- i am from yakima county and the game depertment here tells me the fish im catching are dolly varden? but they are huge! and there is no way for them to reach the coast from where i fish! now im a lil concerned that i need to find another money hole for bulls instead of dollys!
yeah I didn't even know there was a difference until people brought it up on this thread. I now it makes me wonder if the fish I caught were Dollys or Bulls (either way, all were C&R).
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 08:31:04 AM
I wouldn't call the Steelhead,Kamloops,Beardslee,or Redbands differant species of Rainbow though but would call them "strains".......Don't mean to come off as a smarty or know it all either, just like to discuss something I feel isn't legit.
And I'll also admit that I am slightly bitter about loosing a great fishery and also hate it when I can't keep them *censored*s off my hook while trying to target a legal species for dinner.
As far as I know they haven't tagged one of these so-called endangered species of char to see if they do travel all the way into the Puget sound so Until there is more evidence the Dolly and Bull are not genetically the same and prove how far they travel I will continue to remain skeptical.
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 25, 2011, 11:13:13 AM
I think it has been proven. In that thread people were saying the only way to truly tell them aprts was taking scale samples or counting scales along the lateral line or something like that. You'd have to read it, I don't remember exactly what they are saying. But then again its just a bunch of dudes from the internet. :chuckle:
I have caught a few while fishing for steelhead that would make a substantial meal for 4. These were in places that were open to retention too I believe.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 12:11:17 PM
The way I see it is a couple bio's came to the conclusion somehow that there are two species of dollys with one not doing so good in a couple streams and not knowing where and how far they travel decided to shut down most of the state to the fishing and retention of them.
Post by: Whitenuckles on April 26, 2011, 02:03:01 PM
Hey Beau6, if you have the time and after you have reached your goal, see if you can make that all 3 cutthroat species that reside in this state just to say you did it. :)
I thought there were 4. Coastal, West Slope, Lahontan, and Twin Lake. :dunno: Oh, and what about the sea run coastals?
Post by: beau6hunter on April 26, 2011, 03:40:21 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 26, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
Post by: beau6hunter on April 26, 2011, 07:09:48 PM
Post by: sooperfly on April 26, 2011, 07:25:31 PM
Did somebody say goldens? My favorite fish to chase in the mountains. I've probably posted these before, but oh well!
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Post by: Button Nubbs on April 26, 2011, 07:39:30 PM
Post by: beau6hunter on April 28, 2011, 11:28:04 PM
Post by: elkf3v3r on April 29, 2011, 06:26:32 AM
Post by: beau6hunter on April 29, 2011, 11:49:27 AM