Post by: Cougeyes on April 27, 2011, 06:11:37 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on April 27, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on April 27, 2011, 06:41:23 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on April 27, 2011, 06:44:04 PM
Post by: HenrySeattle2002 on April 27, 2011, 06:45:22 PM
So, as a group, if one gets the tag, everyone gets the tag? 4 person group, 1 tag for 4 people or 4 tags?
The only caveat to that is...if say you have a group of 5, and they give out 10 permits...if they've already drawn 6 permits (with 4 remaining) and your number comes up. You get passed over. So you limit your chances even more when you submit as a group.
Post by: Hunterman on April 27, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
Yes if one person in the group draws the permit then everybody in the group draws the permit.
WRONG...If there is only one tag is left and member of a GROUP draws it,,the tag goes to the next SINGLE draw name..The game folks are not going to incress the permit just because a group member is drawn..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 27, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on April 27, 2011, 07:05:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 27, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
They round up. SO if yo have 13 and he has 12 you would have 13 together.Not quite. The average is rounded to the nearest whole number:
"If the first member has one point, the second member has two, and a third member has four, then two points are used in the drawing for that application. The averaged points are rounded to the nearest whole number. "
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 27, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 27, 2011, 07:17:38 PM
so if a group has a .5, i.e 9 points between them averaqges to 4.5 do they go in with 4 or 5 points?The question of rounding .5 up or down is not specifically answered by WDFW but by standard math convention .5 rounds up, so 4.5 should be considered 5.
Post by: bobcat on April 27, 2011, 07:17:52 PM
If you really want to draw a permit, you're better off applying separately, but only if you are willing to hunt alone, or if you know your partner is able to go along to help, even if he isn't able to hunt for himself.
Personally, this year, due to gas prices and a lack of money to spend, I am not going to apply for anything separately, because I want a partner to split the expenses with. Well, with the exception of moose. For a moose hunt I don't mind racking up the credit card.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 27, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
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Well, with the exception of moose. For a moose hunt I don't mind racking up the credit card.
Its worth it. Sheep and goat too I would think.
Post by: bobcat on April 27, 2011, 07:29:24 PM
QuoteWell, with the exception of moose. For a moose hunt I don't mind racking up the credit card.
Its worth it. Sheep and goat too I would think.
Yeah, sheep too, but I don't apply for mountain goat. I think I could do a sheep hunt by myself if I had to. But moose I definitely would not want to be by myself.
Post by: Bob33 on April 27, 2011, 07:34:57 PM
Post by: link on April 27, 2011, 07:57:40 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 27, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
Could I have been screwed out of a tag if our number came up with one tag left, it showed we were a group, and they moved on? :dunno:Not if your group was one.
Post by: bobcat on April 27, 2011, 08:07:52 PM
Geez, I just think I made that sound much more complicated than it is!
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 27, 2011, 08:14:15 PM
But you are correct it is rounded to the nearest whole number.
Post by: fair-chase on April 27, 2011, 08:22:34 PM
It shouldn't make a difference if you submitted your application as a group leader, and ended up being the only person in the "group". Either way, when your number comes up, your first choice is looked at, and if there are permits left, the number of people in your group has to be compared to that number to see if there are enough permits for the group. So either way they (the computer) is going to look at how many are in the group. In this scenario you are only a "group" of one, so it's no different than if you had submitted your application as an individual.
Geez, I just think I made that sound much more complicated than it is!
I would hope that is the case. It could also be possible that the application is just floating in space due to it not being completed yet. I.E. you applied as a group leader but the rest of your group that you listed did not complet the process and was therefore it was not fully submitted. I think you would have to contact WDFW, or better yet the company contracted to run the drawing to get a real answer. You might also look at your points on WDFW website and see what it says about the status of that draw. I have one from 1998 I believe that still says "draw not run yet" not really sure what that's all about but could be the same scenario.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2011, 09:01:55 PM
Thoughts on this....I have 13 points dad has 12 for deer, we'll probably have 12 due to the average of the two and I dont see them rounding to the higher number 13.....is it worth it to put in as partners ? I know if it comes down to the last permit being drawn and I or my dad were selected we wouldn't get it since there is 1 tag for 2 hunters. That, and him having one less point are the reasons i can see why I shouldn't do a group hunt. Are there other reasons why I should select one over the other?You should put in with your dad in my opinon, think of the memories you'll have with a special hunt with you dad. The points you both have give you guys a great chance at drawing. Good luck
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on April 27, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
Hunt with your dad, it will be much better if you are both carrying the same tags.
Post by: bobcat on April 27, 2011, 09:06:01 PM
The way I understand it is that when you and others apply as a group, you all are on one group application, all your names on one tag and the number of permits multiplied by your average points. So your group tag has to get drawn. You are not all individuals and if or gets drawn all get drawn. That's what I have been told when I asked this same question awhile ago. Is this wrong?
No, that's how it is.
Post by: Cougeyes on April 27, 2011, 09:06:56 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on April 27, 2011, 09:08:58 PM
Of you getting a tag if you go individual. And who wouldn't tag along to
Help the old man out ; )
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2011, 05:21:31 AM
Thanks for the info, I learned quite a bit, I figured they wouldn't round up, just a way to screw ya over I guess. So that answers my question I will be putting in as a group since our points will average to 13 which is what i'd be sitting with as an individual anyway.:yeah:exactly, good choice and best of luck in the draw.
Post by: huntindork on April 28, 2011, 10:18:47 AM
Either way I think I would apply by myself and take him with you or visa versa. That way you can possibly go on two great hunts together in the next couple years. IF you both happen to get drawn the same year in the same area that would just be a bonus.
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2011, 10:42:51 AM
The only thing is that there is a better chance of one:yeah:
Of you getting a tag if you go individual. And who wouldn't tag along to
Help the old man out ; )
Go solo. That way there are two names in the hat, and you don't have to worry about getting a group application drawn without enough tags to go around. My friends and I do that: we love to go with our buddies that draw to help them out even if we can't hunt.
Post by: Todd_ID on April 28, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
With a group of 2 there are 2 names in the hat with 13 points each (assuming they round up in this instance). If either name is drawn, then the name is checked to see if it's a solo or group application. If it's a group, then the number of tags left remaining is checked against the number in the group. As long as there are enough tags remaining, then both hunters get a tag and both points accumulated reset to 0.The only thing is that there is a better chance of one:yeah:
Of you getting a tag if you go individual. And who wouldn't tag along to
Help the old man out ; )
Go solo. That way there are two names in the hat, and you don't have to worry about getting a group application drawn without enough tags to go around. My friends and I do that: we love to go with our buddies that draw to help them out even if we can't hunt.
I say try to hunt with your Dad. I can't begin to think of all the hunts I have missed my Dad on since he passed.
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2011, 11:06:35 AM
Post by: Todd_ID on April 28, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
Todd, that's not the way it works. With a group there is only one name in the hat.OK, sorry for the mis-information. That was just the way I understood it.
Post by: steen on April 28, 2011, 04:36:45 PM
Post by: fremont on April 29, 2011, 03:13:51 PM