Post by: MIKEXRAY on May 30, 2008, 07:10:11 AM
Post by: Sagedawg on May 30, 2008, 07:16:40 AM
Sage
Post by: bowpredator on May 30, 2008, 07:20:52 AM
Rodger
Post by: Bofire on May 30, 2008, 07:25:06 AM
Carl
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2008, 07:28:33 AM
They get alot of folks because I saw one target that had so many holes in it, it didn't even look real anymore.
Post by: zackmioli on May 30, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 30, 2008, 07:53:54 AM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on May 30, 2008, 08:09:52 AM
Post by: mossback91 on May 30, 2008, 08:17:14 AM
Post by: snohohunter on May 30, 2008, 08:22:45 AM
They took the truck, guns, etc.....they ended up getting the truck back, but that was it.
Post by: DeKuma on May 30, 2008, 08:24:20 AM
When I was 18, we were coming out around Greenwater and they had a decoy out in a field along FS70. The truck ahead of us stopped and got out to shoot it, when we told him not to do it. He flipped us off and got in and drove off. It was tucked back against the trees, and at this time, we did not know it was a decoy. I had just gotten my first deer call and was trying to get the deer to respond to it. I got out of the truck and started creeping up on it and blowing the call softly. I kept thinking to myself that this deer looks odd and he's just standing there! I decided to try and scare him off, so I threw a stick at it. It just stood there! I looked back toward the truck and shrugged. Took two more steps and all hell broke loose!
Wardens came out of everywhere, some with guns drawn!! I about peed myself. They escorted me back to the vehicle, where another handful were standing there. They were nice about it all, but they thought I was going to shoot it. I forgot I still had my .44 on my hip!
They read us a small riot act about our friend in the truck ahead of us, but we finally convinced them we did not know them. Then my dad and I had to assure them that I was just a stupid kid playing with a deer call and never had intentions of shooting anything. They let me off with a warning, and sent me home to change my soiled britches.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 30, 2008, 08:34:57 AM
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Post by: Snowman on May 30, 2008, 08:55:12 AM
Post by: shanevg on May 30, 2008, 10:01:05 AM
But yeah, I have seen it once, I came in to camp and everyone was telling me about it so I wanted to go out and see it. A couple of buddies drove out with me and right as we were coming around the corner we heard a shot and came around to see three trucks come roaring up to a parked truck with lights shining everywhere. So we just got uot of there, never actually got to see the decoy. That was near Winthrop.
Post by: GoldTip on May 30, 2008, 10:15:47 AM
Turns out one side of the road was a 2 point or less restriction and this decoy was a 4 point, on the 2 point side of the road. They dinged her for $75, let her keep her license and she learned a good lesson. The wardens did congratulate her for having done everything else correct, ie: not shooting from the vehicle, being greater then 10' from the road when shooting and putting on her hunters orange before heading up for the deer.
Post by: ThePascoKid on May 30, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
Post by: Snowman on May 30, 2008, 11:42:15 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 30, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
Post by: tlbradford on May 30, 2008, 11:59:05 AM
Post by: GoldTip on May 30, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 30, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Post by: Dman on May 30, 2008, 12:37:21 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2008, 12:55:47 PM
true but can't shoot a 4 point in a 2 point or less area.
I think what Passion is saying is that she DIDN'T shoot a 4 point deer. She shot a decoy and there is no law that says you can't shoot a decoy. Maybe if she would have just said that she knew it was a decoy all along and was just shooting at it to test her abilities. But the point is if there had been a real 4 point deer there she would have done the same thing and so she deserved the ticket. There's no excuse for not knowing the law.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 30, 2008, 01:00:01 PM
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She shot a decoy and there is no law that says you can't shoot a decoy.
:hello:
Post by: Alchase on May 30, 2008, 01:00:57 PM
"Ya that doe was spotlighted last night by a bunch of poachers. There has been a monster 4x4 buck hanging out just inside the park boundary and they were hoping no poacher would get him" The guy standing next to me was caught of guard and did a double take to the guy on the couch. The second guy on the couch pipes in:
"That big buck has been showing up every night around 8:00 pm, he is huge"
Now I had that distinct feeling that these guys were definitely trying to pull a fast one on us, and why would they tell me that? We continue down to the shower, and my son (8 at the time) pipes up: "Dad were those guys telling the truth?" I asked why he thought that? He says: "I just felt they were joking with us" I told him "I do not know", but wanting him to learn how to be respective to the Rangers and their authority I told him they were probably tired of dealing with poachers all day long. A couple of days later we are eating lunch in town and someone left a copy of the local paper. There on front page is a headline "poachers caught shooting mechanical buck inside Pearygin state park", and there was a picture of a gorgeous 4x4 buck right there on the front page. My son puts two and two together and asks me "Dad, did those Rangers really want us to go shoot that fake buck"? I tried to contain my anger at the lame attempt to bating me into poaching, and told my son that if someone has the intent to poach it really does not matter if the Rangers lead you that way they are the ones who still have to pull the trigger.
Inside, I was totally pissed that they would assume I would be dishonest and poach.
Post by: Ray on May 30, 2008, 01:08:25 PM
QuoteShe shot a decoy and there is no law that says you can't shoot a decoy.
:hello:
Tell that to the judge. After spending lots of cash (attorneys ?) and time wasted on the deal. 75$ is not a lot of money. It's not even half a days pay to a lot of people. Going down to the courtroom would be more annoying than just paying it off.
Once an official authority tickets you then they got you by the balls when it comes to time wasting, attorneys and court.
The real moral of the story is to try and be aware of the regulations and stick by them. Try not to let buck fever take over as well.
Post by: WARHORSE on May 30, 2008, 01:24:02 PM
Post by: WARHORSE on May 30, 2008, 01:25:58 PM
Id walk out there and pet it.....you would touch it with intent and they would get you for sexual assault! :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2008, 01:49:07 PM
Post by: Ray on May 30, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
If houndhunter or Timber and I stalk one and get real close and take its picture, you guys can't laugh at us. ;)
I would not laugh. I bet that I have looked at a few before and never realized it. :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: bankwalker on May 30, 2008, 03:00:53 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 30, 2008, 03:11:44 PM
Post by: Dman on May 30, 2008, 03:13:27 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 30, 2008, 03:40:29 PM
I'll probably never forget that one.
Post by: Vek on May 30, 2008, 11:52:25 PM
Post by: hogsniper on May 30, 2008, 11:59:22 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 31, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
Post by: mkcj on May 31, 2008, 02:00:47 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 31, 2008, 06:37:37 AM
That just pisses me off... >:( So has anyone in western washington actually legally taken a grouse?
Post by: DeKuma on May 31, 2008, 07:28:45 AM
Post by: actionshooter on May 31, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
Fake Grouse on a gravel road!!!??? :yike:I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe its not illegal on non-gov property like timber land.
That just pisses me off... >:( So has anyone in western washington actually legally taken a grouse?
Post by: tlbradford on May 31, 2008, 01:07:13 PM
Fake Grouse on a gravel road!!!??? :yike:
That just pisses me off... >:( So has anyone in western washington actually legally taken a grouse?
Um, maye 2/10. Probably 95% are legal if thetimber land roads are considered o.k.
Post by: actionshooter on May 31, 2008, 01:10:07 PM
Fake Grouse on a gravel road!!!??? :yike:Timberland roads are private property and state land is a public roadway. Thats been my understanding. I have heard of the fake grouse at Cap Peak.
That just pisses me off... >:( So has anyone in western washington actually legally taken a grouse?
Um, maye 2/10. Probably 95% are legal if thetimber land roads are considered o.k.
Post by: Tony 270WSM on May 31, 2008, 01:38:47 PM
So private timberlands or okay to shoot from a road? Not talking about out the window of your truck, but if you get out and set up on the side of the road... is that legal?
Or how about any land where it is gated and you walk in? Can you shoot off a road you are walking on, that has no vehicle traffic?
Post by: boneaddict on May 31, 2008, 01:42:56 PM
Bobcat is the man that knows the regs, maybe he can shed some light. They are alot stricter on it in Idaho. I think you ahve to be 20 feet off the shoulder of any road. :dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on May 31, 2008, 01:47:52 PM
Discharging a firearm from, across or along a maintained portion of any public highway, regardless of the surface is prohibited........public highway is later defined as any road which is maintained by public funds.
I believe Idaho is any maintaine droads, and I think its 30 feet instead of defined as along. What is along?
Post by: tlbradford on May 31, 2008, 02:17:00 PM
I don't know fellas, the minute I come aroundt he corner in the road and am looking down a gun barrel, I don't want to know what my redneck mind would think.
Just speaking for myself, it is standing on the edge of the road shooting into the woods. Not shooting down the road.
Post by: Huckleberry on May 31, 2008, 02:23:04 PM
As for grouse on timberlands: The companies own the "roads" which makes them private and therefore exempt. On some state/federal lands gravel roads still count as roads so shooting in or across them isn't ok. Just know who owns the roads and whether they're public or Private and you'll be ok. When in doubt a call to the sheriff works and they'll let you know.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 31, 2008, 03:09:28 PM
I've videoed a lot of decoy operations. It's pretty good duty. ALL of the officers I've worked with on decoy operations have contacted those who commit the violation, but do NOT attempt to take the animal (ie, the headlight shining instance, with the guns cased and inaccessible in the vehicle), chew them out for the violation, do not cite them for that violation (but may for another, ie, DUI, smoking dope, loaded weapon, etc.), and cut them loose scott-free without a citation - often to be thought of as *censored*s BY THE VIOLATOR THEY JUST CAUGHT - AND CUT LOOSE WITHOUT A TICKET.
In that case, from their perspective you are already getting a good deal, and aren't entitled to be treated gently and kindly by the officers who are letting you off; and who have no way of determining that unlike all the other criminals, you are the noble one with a heart of gold and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth. Their job is to catch criminals, you committed a crime that was probably documented on video, they caught you - AND LET YOU GO. Pretty good exercise of discretion by officers who would be 100% correct in citing you for the violation that you committed. If you take your moral indignation at being CORRECTLY accused of committing a crime you didn't INTEND to commit out of the equation, it is your bruised ego causing you to decide the officers who treated you VERY WELL are jerks, *censored*s, pick your word. Remember, they enforce the law as written; they don't make the laws; and ANY time you are caught and let go by a law enforcement officer, even if they use a stern tone of voice or make you think one of them wants to cite you, you have been treated well. My opinion.
BTW, good cop/bad cop works really well, which is why they do it. You'd be amazed how many crimes are confessed to the good, sympathetic nice gamey - who then arrests you. DUH. My opinion, valid as anyone else's. Polarbear got a good deal, too; depending onthe circumstance, either an interference, or obstruction charge would have been a perfectly legitimate response.
As for "I didn't shoot a real deer", shoot at the decoy and you'll quickly learn that you aren't cited for taking a deer illegally. When you shoot a decoy you are cited for taking simulated wildlife illegally, the penalty for which is exactly the same as for taking the real thing. :tung: Take includes attempting, poor marksmanship doesn't get you off. :chuckle:
It is NOT entrapment, the courts have consistently decided, unless the decoy is something that would NOT occur normally in that area. (A 30" mule deer rack on a blacktail decoy, in a clearcut outside Longview WOULD be entrapment!) Should you go to court and contest it, be advised the video will probably show a much different story to the judge or jury than your recollection; take your bruised ego and moral indignation at being correctly accused of committing a crime you had no intent to commit out of the equation, and an impartial third party who doesn't know you will surprisingly conclude the officers acted appropriately. :IBCOOL:
I've seen several instances where indignant violators who felt they were treated poorly by officers were shown the video, by the supervisor they come in to file a complaint with; in every case, they end up embarassed for their complaint, most apologize to the supervisor and often ask them to thank the officers. :hello:
Post by: Alchase on May 31, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
The second pic is from on the right just past the turn to Pearygin Lake.
Post by: Alchase on May 31, 2008, 04:06:36 PM
Post by: gramps on June 01, 2008, 07:00:02 PM
Post by: Rick on June 01, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
they use to do that up in northbend by the spur 10 gate. my dads friends shot it up from the road and got busted
A guy I used to work with got busted at the spur 10 gate. He begged me to take him hunting and I decided to take him out to Wheyerhauser for the late hunt. We had hunted all of the first day and got back to the trailer and decided to head to North Bend for some dinner. It was about 6:30 in late November so it was pitch Black.
We were in his truck heading down to NB. We came around a corner and his headlights flashed through a clearcut. He looks out and sees a nice 3pt about 30 yds out in the clearcut. He stopped the truck with the headlights clearly on the deer. He gets out with his .22 pistol and decided hes gonna shot the deer. I told him that is was against the law and to get his dumb ass back in the truck. He argued with me for about 30 seconds and after me telling him to get the F*** back in the truck about 5 different times he lets loose with the .22,he emptied all 10 rounds in the magazine at the deer.
After no reaction from the deer I knew we were screwed. A few seconds later all the wardens showed up. They had us both at gunpoint and started asking us what we were doing. I was ready to choke the life out of my "buddy".
They knew I was pizzed so they took me back to one of their trucks and were talking to me. They handcuffed him and he had to stand in the rain for about 20 minutes. :chuckle:
I told the Warden I had nothing to do with any of it,and he said "yeah we know we saw the entire thing,we heard you telling him not to shoot the deer"
He asked me if I would write a statement,and I couldn't get the pen and paper fast enough. I sat in the nice heated truck filling out paperwork while the *censored* buddy of mine sat there shivering. :IBCOOL: When I was done the warden asked if he could give me a ride back to camp, he took me back to my buddies trailer,where I got all my stuff out of it and loaded it into my truck and headed home,leaving Scot standing in the middle of the road in Wheyerhauser.
He ended up losing his truck,a chainsaw,a Browning .300 Win Mag,his Ruger .22 pistol,and all the tools in his truck. He got 4 tickets. One for shooting from the county road,hunting after dark,hunting with an illegal weapon (.22),and hunting with artificial light. IIRC the fines totaled $1200.
I got an ass chewing from my Dad when he found out what happened. I remember him asking me a couple different times if I knew what kind of guy Scot was. Being 19 and knowing everything I told him Scot was an good guy (little did I Know :bdid:)
My Dad even called and talked to the warden just to be sure I wasn't feeding him any BS. Thankfully,the warden confirmed my story,or I'd probably still be wearing my ass for a hat to this day.
Post by: boneaddict on June 02, 2008, 06:06:59 AM
Nicely put DOUBLELUNG!
Alchase....seen more than one buck there. ;)