Post by: Sabotloader on May 02, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
I did not know when this was going to happen, but apperently Knight choose the 2011 NRA show to unvail the new bullet line.
I am not sure if Knight has dropped their Red Hot line and made this switch or if they are going to offer both. I do know the people in charge at Knight are really sold on the bullet. They have been hunting and testing it for at least 6 months now.
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http://www.knightrifles.com/bloodline-info (http://www.knightrifles.com/bloodline-info)
I have been using the bullet for three years now and hunting with it for the last years. It operates on a totally different theory than we normal humans are use to. It is not exactly a mushrooming bullet... It mushrooms to a given angle but slings off it's petals in the organs causing additional damage to adjacent organs. The petals are so light they can go anywhere in muscle tissue but in the vital areas they will run out about 6-8" into the organs. The bullet, besides creating a great deal of 'hydrostatic shock' to the organs it also causes a terrible trauma and shock to the animal. The remaining core of the bullet then acts as a Keith Nose conical and continues through the animal, most often exiting and helping create a really good blood trail if you were to need one.
Cool bullets…
Post by: dawhunt on May 02, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
Bob
Post by: Sabotloader on May 02, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
Bet they want some $$$$ for those.
Bob
Premium bullets are expensive, right along with Barnes, Noslers (if they still made a partition ML bullet), even Power Belts are expensive.
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 02, 2011, 08:57:47 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on May 03, 2011, 06:09:11 AM
Post by: dawhunt on May 03, 2011, 06:58:41 AM
Kinda wondering id you will be getting shrapnel in your meat?
Me too.What happens when it hits a shoulder bone ??
Bob
Post by: Sabotloader on May 03, 2011, 07:31:47 AM
Kinda wondering id you will be getting shrapnel in your meat?
Me too.What happens when it hits a shoulder bone ??
Bob
You guys have listed one of the most common questions on this bullet... and I was concerned myself about this very point, and actually so was Knight.
The bullet is designed to retain the petals through hide and bone. It has has to hit a fluid source to shed its petals. Then the petals are so light they can only travel 6-8" in the fluid state. If they encounter muscle tissue or anything that dense they do not have the energy to penetrate more than an inch or so.
There is a video showing the bullet passing through car windshield glass then through an air gap and then into ballistic gel. The bullet passes through the glass intact with only a bit of damage to the nose, then through the air gap into the gel and even with the damaged nose it opens in the gel and creates a tremendous 'hydrostatic shock'
I have taken a couple of deer with the bullet and I actually had the butcher look for petals in his processing - none found they remained in the gut pile.
Post by: grundy53 on May 03, 2011, 08:17:07 AM
Kinda wondering id you will be getting shrapnel in your meat?
That sounds like it would really hurt :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Sabotloader on May 03, 2011, 12:26:38 PM
Kinda wondering id you will be getting shrapnel in your meat?
That sounds like it would really hurt :chuckle: :chuckle:
Here are the videos - but they are really dark and hard to see... Lehigh is in the process of getting them lightened up and a narration as to what is happening added... I was going to wait for those - when they are ot I will repost them... I have no ideal why they double posted - but click on the pictures with the play bar in them...
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Post by: whacker1 on May 03, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on May 03, 2011, 03:04:20 PM
Interesting concept.....Look forward to hearing more
Here are some pictures that I might offer…
This little buck was shot with a Lehigh at 60-70 yards… I was above him and he was quartering to me. I could see him through the timber and the brush but when I would pull down on him I could not get a clear scope picture there was always brush or branches in the way. The only clear shot I could get was in the neck. So I pulled down on the base of the neck and body. The cross hair was laid just under where I thought the spinal cord might be. I pulled the trigger and when the smoked clear – I could not see hide nor hair of the animal – did not here him bolt or anything – just could not see him.
When I walked down to the landing he was laying right where he was shot. The shot was high and a little further back than was planned but it was effective. He had not moved a step – dropped right on the spot. You can see that he bled out right there on the spot.
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This picture show him skinned out – did not lose any meat… So I tell everyone it was great shot on my part.
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This picture shows the exit wound. What you cannot see is that one of the petals penetrated between the bones in the neck and punched a hole in the spinal cord. The animal could not move it was paralyzed. Another petal that I found came directly up and stopped just where the skin meats the meat.
This doe was shot this season with a Lehigh @ 190+ yards. It was a normal shot into the chest cavity…
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Here she is hanging…
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When I got into her to clean her the organs in the chest cavity were dark red jello. There was a portion of the heart left but nothing else was recognizable.
Those bullet just plain work… and no! no petals were found in the processing of the deer, both shots were complete pass throughs.
Post by: HntnFsh on May 03, 2011, 04:44:51 PM
When, if I'm understanding this right.This bullet shouldnt have shed any petals because it didnt hit a fluid source.
I love the concept.Just not sure if I'm undersatnding whats happening the way its explained.
Post by: Sabotloader on May 03, 2011, 05:46:25 PM
Ok,now I'm really confused.How did the petal penetrate between the bones in the neck and puncture the spinal cord?And the other petal went up and stopped next to the hide.
The nose has six petals on it. Each of the six petals can become a mini projectile - they can not go very far but if they hit a vital organ they can cause a lot of harm to the organ.
It is my belief that the bullet entered through the hide then muscle tissue, both which have a fluid content, but usually not enough to cause the petals to bend back to 40*, but the bullet probably began to open, then it hit a major artery which did cause it to open completely. I believe at that point one of the petals went down and got into the spinal cord while another went some what straight up into the tissue under the skin. When we looked we could not find any of the petals in the animal. I do not know where the other 4 went.
Here is a close up of the area... I have labeled what I think is a petal exit spot and you can see the amount of blood the the bullet contacted.
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When, if I'm understanding this right.This bullet shouldnt have shed any petals because it didnt hit a fluid source. [/quote]
I think the combination of wet tissue and then the hit on the major artery in the neck triggered the opening of the bullets and the release of the petals.
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I love the concept.Just not sure if I'm undersatnding whats happening the way its explained.
Believe me I am not an expert on describing the operation of the bullet, other than it works… If you look at the video of the bullet going through the glass, then the air space, then how quickly it opens when it hits the jell. It doesn’t take much time to work…
You guys think it would help to have Lehigh Dave, the bullet maker, explain the operation.
This is an explanation found on the Lehigh Defense web site
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Lehigh first introduced the controlled fracturing (CFA) technology in 2004. We brought this concept to market after years of development and testing; Lehigh has redefined the perfect hunting bullet. The bullets are designed to penetrate through the hide and muscle and then when the bullet is presented with greater hydraulic force the petals begin to expand, fracture, and radiate outward. The base is now back to bore diameter and continues to track straight and true with an energy efficient wadcutter nose penetrating though the offside hide to provide a blood trail should you need one. While the base is penetrating along initial impact axis, the razor sharp petals are radiating outward devastating organs and tissue in their path. We have done the math and seven holes are better than one!
Post by: HntnFsh on May 03, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
Post by: BerettaShooter on October 28, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on October 28, 2011, 04:47:05 PM
Anyone shooting these in a Knight Big Horn? I am wondering how they fit down the bore.
I have shot them in my MK and using the mmp HPH-24 sabots for the .452-250 grain bullet or the MMP Orange .457-.458x50 sabot for the .458 bullets. They load just like I want them to in that gun.
This is a .458-300 in the Orange sabot
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I have also shot them in my Big Horn but it is a 52 cal.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on January 27, 2012, 08:26:32 PM
Anyone shooting these in a Knight Big Horn? I am wondering how they fit down the bore.
I shoot them in a MK-85 and I have shot the 458's in a Bighorn with MMP HPH-24 sabots.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on July 27, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 27, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
When you buy a box of these bullets, they come with the red sabots i believe, will these fit the Disc Extreme's barrel or will I have to get different sabots?
The color of the sabot is dependent on the size of the bullet and the caliber of the rifle. If you are referring to a .458 bullet and a 50 cal gun you are correct Red Sabot.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on August 01, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
I guess the question I am asking is, will the red sabot be too tight in the 50 cal disc extreme's barrel? I have read on here that the Knight bullets seem to be pretty tight going down the bore. Should I get the orange sabots?
Thanks.
Post by: Sabotloader on August 01, 2012, 12:46:24 PM
Sabotloader,
I guess the question I am asking is, will the red sabot be too tight in the 50 cal disc extreme's barrel? I have read on here that the Knight bullets seem to be pretty tight going down the bore. Should I get the orange sabots?
Thanks.
They and the Orange shold be the same thing with a different die.... The load just right in my 50 Knight barrels... Try the red ones and let me know I can send you a couple of Orange...
Is your barrel a new barrel?
Post by: gutsnthegrass on August 01, 2012, 02:31:43 PM
Thanks again.
Post by: Sabotloader on August 01, 2012, 03:46:16 PM
Yes sir, brand new gun, never been shot. The wife bought it for me a few months ago, I just haven't been able to shoot it yet, been busy with kids sports. Just now getting around to getting everything so I can find a load that works for it. Thanks for all the great advise that you have posted in this forum, I have read a ton of stuff that you have helped guys out with.
Thanks again.
Since you have a new gun- you bore is coated with a Bore Coat to help resist fouling - it is not the final answer but it sure helps with fouling and cleaning.
When you get ready to try loading - just pull the breech plug out and push a bullet and sabot throught to see how it goes. Puah it all the way out the breech.