Post by: rosscrazyelk on May 03, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on May 03, 2011, 08:54:13 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on May 03, 2011, 10:05:32 PM
Post by: fair-chase on May 03, 2011, 10:18:08 PM
In my opinion hunts like these should be left in the raffle drawings like buckrun and not in the general pool of special permits. I would hate to see our special permit categories shift into managed ranch hunts.
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2011, 10:19:56 PM
This should help to answer any questions:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf)
Post by: fair-chase on May 03, 2011, 10:41:40 PM
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The landowner hunting permit program shouldComments
be altered to have the State of Washington
select the hunters for all tags and not allow a
private party to sell access to use “landowner
tags.”
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I am in favor of WDFW opening more land for
public hunting, but I do not think that allowing
landowners to charge an access fee to hunt is
considered public hunting.
Department Response
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This issue was discussed thoroughly with a public
hunting advisory group during development of the
Landowner Hunting Permit program (LHP). The
tags that landowners receive in an LHP agreement
are not considered the “public hunting” portion of the
agreement. Rather, these tags are intended to allow
the landowner to hunt their property or have someone
else hunt their property to offset costs associated with
allowing public hunting or to help address game
damage issues on their land (if they accept an LHP
agreement, they cannot make a crop damage claim).
Hunters drawing “public hunting” permits will not be
charged a fee to hunt on the LHP property
Could you decifer this Bobcat. Are the lands considered part of or not a part of the LHP. How do you decifer what is a "public hunting" permit and what is use of a LHP. Does it mean that if I were to draw the Grande Ronde Quality Deer Tag #1016 that they could not deny me acess to the property? This next one was stated previously in the meeting notes...
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Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits
The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting
permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these
permits.
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2011, 10:57:16 PM
Post by: fair-chase on May 03, 2011, 11:02:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 04, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on May 04, 2011, 07:58:14 AM
sssshhhh i was wondering when this would come up. :hello: :hello: things will get interisting after they find out what they have drawn. could be good could be bad . depends on what you know about the country :chuckle: good luck to all j:yeah:
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 04, 2011, 08:14:30 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on May 04, 2011, 02:27:54 PM
Could you say where you got that info?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 04, 2011, 03:18:16 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 04, 2011, 03:25:39 PM
-With Grande Ronde Vista there is a access fee! And it Aint cheap! Would be nice to know this before applying, thanks wdfw >:(You probably already know this, but if not, you can call wdfw and change your choices if you do it before the deadline. And charging a tresspass fee from our permit process if a bunch of B.S! they should not be allowed to take money, what a bunch of crap.
Post by: Bob33 on May 04, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits
The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."
Post by: huntnnw on May 04, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Post by: 3dvapor on May 04, 2011, 05:29:48 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on May 07, 2011, 09:21:09 PM
the ronde tag is a combo of Odom and 4-0 cattle co..its not cheap and its all private no other land to access but theirs..if I remember right they charged $1500 to kill a cow elk last year on 4-0...the ten ten on the other hand is mostly private and various landowners with some nat forest
Tenten is completely private and I bet the few good landholders there will charge a small fortune now too since they know that they have u by the balls if you draw. The unit is really being sectioned off and posted heavily now too.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 07, 2011, 10:12:42 PM
Sounds to me like WDFW says that if you draw this tag, you can't be charged an access fee. Similar to the Buckrun Tag. If you just want to hunt Buckrun during the season, you pay. If you draw the WDFW Tag, you don't...
...what am I missing...? :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on May 07, 2011, 10:25:34 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 07, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf)From what I just read in the meetings notes, it said that the landowner cannot charge for the public hunts that are in the state drawings. Unless I'm missing something, they cannot charge if you draw the tag.
"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits
The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 07, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2011/04/apr0911_07_landowner_hunting.pdf)From what I just read in the meetings notes, it said that the landowner cannot charge for the public hunts that are in the state drawings. Unless I'm missing something, they cannot charge if you draw the tag.
"Grande Ronde Vista Landowner Hunting Permits
The manager of the Grande Ronde Vista will distribute these hunting permits. An access fee may be charged in order to utilize these permits."
That's the way I understand it. I know in the past, if you wanted to hunt the 4-0, you paid a hefty trespass fee, but if you drew the tag, I am pretty sure you didn't. They stopped offering the tag last year (or the year before I think), but this Vista Tag sounds like the same thing...
Like I said, I think it is the same as Buckrun. They get some sort of help from WDFW managing their herd and in return they give up so many tags to the public for free. At least that's how I understood it... :dunno:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on May 08, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
Post by: provider on May 08, 2011, 10:27:25 PM
In return for our WDFW pimping out numerous trophy buck and bull tags to these landowners, the landowners agree not to submit damage claims, and we (public) have an opportunity to apply for (a much fewer than the landowners get to pimp out) public special hunting permits. And these landowners CANNOT charge a fee to hunt them. They can only charge a fee for their LHP's or for anyone else wanting to "access" their property during general seasons.
Post by: bobcat on May 08, 2011, 10:33:47 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 08, 2011, 10:36:07 PM
Post by: 400out on May 10, 2011, 04:44:18 PM
I saw the guy at church but didn't get a chance to ask him today. I'll drop him an email. I still don't think that 4-0 charged him when he drew the tag. Pretty sure he would have mentioned that because he was telling me that I should put my boy in for that hunt.THought you didn't talk to him ;) :spank_butt:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 17, 2011, 03:58:36 PM
I saw the guy at church but didn't get a chance to ask him today. I'll drop him an email. I still don't think that 4-0 charged him when he drew the tag. Pretty sure he would have mentioned that because he was telling me that I should put my boy in for that hunt.THought you didn't talk to him ;) :spank_butt:
I talk to him all the time, just haven't been able to catch up with him since this question came up. I thought I had his email address, but it must have been in my Army computer (which is gone now). Next time I see him though, I'll ask...