Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 07:48:55 AM
give the animal the respect it deserves and count the damn things.
Post by: Utah on May 22, 2011, 07:54:50 AM
Post by: danderson on May 22, 2011, 07:56:17 AM
also for elk hunting make sure you what unit your in, just saying.
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 08:09:30 AM
i have some old timers that i work with and don't even look at the eye guards when counting. needless to say, we have a "discussion" everytime we see a buck.
Post by: danderson on May 22, 2011, 08:17:02 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 22, 2011, 08:23:57 AM
I count them if there over an inch, dang right, or say that its a 3 point with eye gaurds, same thing.One inch is a legal point says it right in the game laws. If it is an inch and that is the final decision to pull the trigger. Then there is a dead deer. It is hard to judge an inch from a long distance though. I have seen several deer shot that have like a half inch to three quarters of an inch and I don't shoot if that is the case. I personally don't call it that close.
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 08:29:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 22, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.
Post by: 3nails on May 22, 2011, 08:49:06 AM
No, a 3 point with eyeguards is not the same as a 4 point. They typical mule deer or blacktail deer will have 4 main points per side. So when someone says they got a 4 point, most of us assume they are talking about a true 4 points on each side, it may or may not have eyeguards. We don't know that unless they specifically say it was a 4 point with eyeguards. And again, a 4 point with eyeguards is NOT a five point. I don't care if an eyeguard counts as a point in meeting the legal definition of a 3 point in this state. It's still just a 2 point with eyeguards.:yeah: That's exactly right!
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.
Post by: hoyt2002 on May 22, 2011, 08:54:03 AM
Post by: 7mag. on May 22, 2011, 08:55:39 AM
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 09:08:41 AM
my point in this thread is just to ask, why. why don't you call it a 4x4 if it has 3 off the main beam and eyeguards. why don't you call the eye guards a point instead of eyeguards. why? i guess when you see a whitetail, you would call it the same?? 3 point with eyeguards??
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Post by: hoyt2002 on May 22, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on May 22, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
I think Bobcat nailed it.:yeah:
Post by: Alan K on May 22, 2011, 09:45:10 AM
With whitetails 99% of the bucks have eyeguards as soon as they are forked. In that case it's safe to assume that someone will know that a five point is in fact a buck with 4 points and an eyeguard.
With blacktails and mule deer, more often than not they don't have eyeguards. When you're describing the caliber of your buck you DON'T include eyeguard points in the number, you tack on "with eyeguards" at the end so that people know the caliber of animal you're talking about. There is a big difference between a 2 point blacktail or mule deer with eyeguards and a 3 point without any. Like what Bobcat said, it doesn't matter what the WDFW calls them, eyeguard points don't give you an idea of the age of the animal, which is what we try to get across when we describe the size of our animals to our buddies.
If someone called me up and said they shot a nice 3 point blacktail and I went over and looked at it and it turned out to be a little forked horn with 1 inch eyeguards I'd probably laugh at their puffery. I've seen some gnarly old BT bucks with several 1" burrs around the bases, and if one of the guys in particular were to count those he'd probably have like a 6x7 buck (4x4 frame, w/ eyeguards, w/burrs), which is clearly NOT the case when you're trying to describe to someone what the buck is.
Somewhat along these lines, it kills me when guys describe first year legal roosevelts down here in SW Washington as 2 points (2 point with 2 eyeguards). 98% of branched bulls have the two eyeguards, so if you just call it a 4 point people will understand what that is because ALL LEGAL BULLS HAVE THEM! When I meet someone new down here and we're talking about the animals we kill we always have to explain the way we are describing the points. :bash:
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 09:56:07 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:07:08 AM
It's about describing your animal so that people will understand the caliber (age class in general) of the animal.
With whitetails 99% of the bucks have eyeguards as soon as they are forked. In that case it's safe to assume that someone will know that a five point is in fact a buck with 4 points and an eyeguard.
With blacktails and mule deer, more often than not they don't have eyeguards. When you're describing the caliber of your buck you DON'T include eyeguard points in the number, you tack on "with eyeguards" at the end so that people know the caliber of animal you're talking about. There is a big difference between a 2 point blacktail or mule deer with eyeguards and a 3 point without any. Like what Bobcat said, it doesn't matter what the WDFW calls them, eyeguard points don't give you an idea of the age of the animal, which is what we try to get across when we describe the size of our animals to our buddies.
If someone called me up and said they shot a nice 3 point blacktail and I went over and looked at it and it turned out to be a little forked horn with 1 inch eyeguards I'd probably laugh at their puffery. I've seen some gnarly old BT bucks with several 1" burrs around the bases, and if one of the guys in particular were to count those he'd probably have like a 6x7 buck (4x4 frame, w/ eyeguards, w/burrs), which is clearly NOT the case when you're trying to describe to someone what the buck is.
Somewhat along these lines, it kills me when guys describe first year legal roosevelts down here in SW Washington as 2 points (2 point with 2 eyeguards). 98% of branched bulls have the two eyeguards, so if you just call it a 4 point people will understand what that is because ALL LEGAL BULLS HAVE THEM! When I meet someone new down here and we're talking about the animals we kill we always have to explain the way we are describing the points. :bash:
Not all legal bulls have double eye guards. This past season my buddy shot a 2 point w/ single eyeguards.
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:08:10 AM
:yeah:I think Bobcat nailed it.:yeah:
Post by: Alan K on May 22, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Single or double, 99% they're the same age though! That's really what we're describing when we give a point count.
I agree. Which is why we don't count the eyeguards. To me saying I killed a 2 point tells everyone its a raghorn. Whereas if I say I killed a 4 point some people might assume I just killed a 2 point with eyeguards but a lot would assume I killed a 4 point with double eyeguards. Either way I don't really care to each their own. I will keep not counting eyeguards but it doesn't bother me when people do.
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:26:16 AM
Single or double (3x3 or 4x4), 99% they're the same age though! That's really what we're describing when we give a point count. Would you call this bull a 2x3? It would be more accurate to describe it as a 4x4 (age class wise) in my opinion.
Actually the more I think about it point count is not a very accurate way to describe age class. I've seen 2 points (4x4) that were a couple years difference. as well as 5x5's and 6x6's. Point count is more indicative of genetics, not age.
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:39:34 AM
Post by: Alan K on May 22, 2011, 10:39:44 AM
Regessing animals throw a kink into this whole thing too, those point counts certainly aren't indicative of age. It's more often seen with bucks rather than bulls. Most bulls down here don't make it anywhere that far. :bash:
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:40:52 AM
For sure, and it has a lot to do with feed too as to whether or not genetics get to show. It's really all we have though, short of estimating age ourselves. The last bull I killed was just a 4 point (2 point :chuckle:) but it had about double the frame and lots more mass than your average first year legal bull in that area. No doubt in my mind it was a 3.5 year old rather than a 2.5 year old. And yeah this thread isn't really going to change the way anything is described!
Regessing animals throw a kink into this whole thing too, those point counts certainly aren't indicative of age. It's more often seen with bucks rather than bulls. Most bulls down here don't make it anywhere that far. :bash:
I agree
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
Single or double, 99% they're the same age though! That's really what we're describing when we give a point count.
I agree. Which is why we don't count the eyeguards. To me saying I killed a 2 point tells everyone its a raghorn. Whereas if I say I killed a 4 point some people might assume I just killed a 2 point with eyeguards but a lot would assume I killed a 4 point with double eyeguards. Either way I don't really care to each their own. I will keep not counting eyeguards but it doesn't bother me when people do.
grundy, you start counting elk that way, then you opened up a BIG can of worms with me. you don't count them that way, it not to each his own. the so called eye guards on an elk ARE a point and will always be a point. get out of that freaken mentality. its stupid. they are there they will always have them, if they don't they have broken them off. period.
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Single or double, 99% they're the same age though! That's really what we're describing when we give a point count.
I agree. Which is why we don't count the eyeguards. To me saying I killed a 2 point tells everyone its a raghorn. Whereas if I say I killed a 4 point some people might assume I just killed a 2 point with eyeguards but a lot would assume I killed a 4 point with double eyeguards. Either way I don't really care to each their own. I will keep not counting eyeguards but it doesn't bother me when people do.
grundy, you start counting elk that way, then you opened up a BIG can of worms with me. you don't count them that way, it not to each his own. the so called eye guards on an elk ARE a point and will always be a point. get out of that freaken mentality. its stupid. they are there they will always have them, if they don't they have broken them off. period.
Like I said to each their own. I know people that feel as passionate as you feel about this issue only they have exactly the opposite view. You have your OPINION and they have theirs. To be honest they could care less what size of can the worms are in... I really don't see why this is such a big deal. Every region of this country count their points different. Is one way better then another? Yes but it depends on which region your in to which method is better. :rolleyes:
Post by: hoyt2002 on May 22, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
I thought this was about mule deer??
Same counting techniques are used on both.
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 11:02:23 AM
Single or double, 99% they're the same age though! That's really what we're describing when we give a point count.
I agree. Which is why we don't count the eyeguards. To me saying I killed a 2 point tells everyone its a raghorn. Whereas if I say I killed a 4 point some people might assume I just killed a 2 point with eyeguards but a lot would assume I killed a 4 point with double eyeguards. Either way I don't really care to each their own. I will keep not counting eyeguards but it doesn't bother me when people do.
grundy, you start counting elk that way, then you opened up a BIG can of worms with me. you don't count them that way, it not to each his own. the so called eye guards on an elk ARE a point and will always be a point. get out of that freaken mentality. its stupid. they are there they will always have them, if they don't they have broken them off. period.
Like I said to each their own. I know people that feel as passionate as you feel about this issue only they have exactly the opposite view. You have your OPINION and they have theirs. To be honest they could care less what size of can the worms are in... I really don't see why this is such a big deal. Every region of this country count their points different. Is one way better then another? Yes but it depends on which region your in to which method is better. :rolleyes:
i hope you don't think i was calling you stupid. i respect what you are saying. yes....i am passionate about this subject. i guess its just the way it is. but if you come across some guy in the woods who's veins are popping out of his neck and is foaming at the mouth, because you just called his 6x6 bull a 5x5, then you will know its me. >:( :bash: :chuckle:
Post by: gasman on May 22, 2011, 11:17:12 AM
This subject comes up every year :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: PolarBear on May 22, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2011, 11:32:36 AM
Post by: jdb on May 22, 2011, 11:34:53 AM
I love reading these threads :chuckle: Some crazy people that think there ideas are right over what the law states. If it is a 1" or more it is a point. End of the story! If it's a 2 point with eye guards. It is legally a 3 point buck! Not a 2 point buck, a 2 point buck is not legal here. People can have diffrent thoughts, but what it comes down to is the law. Not personal idea's :hello:what ever helps you sleep at nite
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
I love reading these threads :chuckle: Some crazy people that think there ideas are right over what the law states. If it is a 1" or more it is a point. End of the story! If it's a 2 point with eye guards. It is legally a 3 point buck! Not a 2 point buck, a 2 point buck is not legal here. People can have diffrent thoughts, but what it comes down to is the law. Not personal idea's :hello:
finally someone with knowledge and logic. i wonder if the ones that count that way, also count their money that way. does 5 dollars mean its only 4 dollars??
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2011, 11:51:37 AM
It does help me sleep, because I know the game laws when I am hunting or guiding. And I follow all laws, not just the ones I pick and choose, like some people. Some people need to read the game laws and learn the legal definition of a point.I love reading these threads :chuckle: Some crazy people that think there ideas are right over what the law states. If it is a 1" or more it is a point. End of the story! If it's a 2 point with eye guards. It is legally a 3 point buck! Not a 2 point buck, a 2 point buck is not legal here. People can have diffrent thoughts, but what it comes down to is the law. Not personal idea's :hello:what ever helps you sleep at nite
Post by: jdb on May 22, 2011, 12:04:48 PM
I agree people do need to read and learn the regs. they are the letter of the law. But just because our game dept. Says its a point dosent mean I have to count it as one, I count it as what it is, an eye guard. I think we all agree that our game dept. collectivly are not the bightest crayons in the box. So why should I change the way I think because a they (whom I dont respect the intelligence of) tell me I have too? I follow they're laws as their put forth,I dont always agree but I follow. But I wont let someone I see as overall clueless(game dept.) tell me how to count.It does help me sleep, because I know the game laws when I am hunting or guiding. And I follow all laws, not just the ones I pick and choose, like some people. Some people need to read the game laws and learn the legal definition of a point.I love reading these threads :chuckle: Some crazy people that think there ideas are right over what the law states. If it is a 1" or more it is a point. End of the story! If it's a 2 point with eye guards. It is legally a 3 point buck! Not a 2 point buck, a 2 point buck is not legal here. People can have diffrent thoughts, but what it comes down to is the law. Not personal idea's :hello:what ever helps you sleep at nite
Post by: PolarBear on May 22, 2011, 12:05:07 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2011, 12:14:20 PM
Post by: Maverick on May 22, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2011, 12:27:06 PM
I wouldn't ever shoot a forked horn with eyeguards. Let them grow a little.
The problems is here a lot of the 2 points are very very old bucks like 5+ years old. That haven't had much genetics. I love to have my family or friends shoot them. It takes those bad lines out of the deer herd. A lot of guys say I would not shoot a forked horn. But when a buck that is 30"x30" steps out and he has eye guards it a little diffrent story.
Post by: grundy53 on May 22, 2011, 12:38:13 PM
Legal definition vs personal definition? If you a looking at it from a legal standpoint as whether it qualifies as "legal" or not that is one thing but a "legal" buck, that has been determined to meet the legal point requirements is then up to interpretation the the harvester as whether he wants to consider it a 4 point or a 6,7,8.... Yes, the legal definition of a point is 1" or greater. I personally have higher standards but in no way would call someone out for not believing in exactly what I feel to be right. Go ahead and count every last "legal" point that you need to to make you feel that you have a bigger buck or bull, I don't feel the need to grow points that I don't see fit to count but that's just me. :twocents::yeah:
Post by: PolarBear on May 22, 2011, 12:40:18 PM
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 12:48:39 PM
I won't shoot a spike or a forkie either. I will leave them for the folks who will, I see no reason to take an animal that I don't want just because I can. The same goes on the last day of season. I'll eat a tag over shooting what I feel is a substandard buck or bull, to me it is a waste and I would rather let him grow.
sorry to hear your just a trophy hunter. last day of the hunt and you wont take an animal.....whatever dude
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 22, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 12:54:26 PM
Post by: Maverick on May 22, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
Post by: 7mag. on May 22, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
i guess i better stop here before i make enemies on a forum i have just joined. sorry if i stepped over the boundry fellas. i enjoy all the topics. just get a little wound up on this one.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, even if it's wrong. :chuckle:
Seriously, though, I think it has to do with the western states and the mule deer and blacktail genetics. They are normaly a 4x4 main frame, and often don't have eye guards. Some states don't recognize eye gaurds as points (as of several years ago), so as a standard, most people seperate eye guards from main frame points. Boone and Crocket doesn't count eye gaurds as a point either, on deer. Neither does the Washington record book, except for scoring, as the eye gaurd is the G1. On a whitetail, I always count the eyegaurds, because they almost always have them, and they are usually the same length or longer than the other points.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on May 22, 2011, 01:43:31 PM
No, a 3 point with eyeguards is not the same as a 4 point. The typical mule deer or blacktail deer will have 4 main points per side. So when someone says they got a 4 point, most of us assume they are talking about a true 4 points on each side, it may or may not have eyeguards. We don't know that unless they specifically say it was a 4 point with eyeguards. And again, a 4 point with eyeguards is NOT a five point. I don't care if an eyeguard counts as a point in meeting the legal definition of a 3 point in this state. It's still just a 2 point with eyeguards.:yeah:
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.
Post by: DBZona on May 22, 2011, 02:20:09 PM
WHO CARES! :chuckle:
This thread reminds me of the one of the guy who got worked up over something so stupid, and that honestly didn't matter. Remember? the one about guys calling antlers horns? and how it pissed them off? Who cares! If someone wanted to call an antler a horn, how should that piss me off? It does not affect me. So if someone wants to call it a 3x3 or a 2 point with eyeguards, who cares.
Point being, if you are going to be offended by petty things as this, then maybe its time to reevaluate what is truly important in our lives. We have bigger fish to fry. There are wolves in our state that are not being accounted for by WDFW. The management of Elk in this state sucks. Get pissed over things like that, not some stupid opinion of what you count as points on a mule deer or if someone calls antlers horns.
Just my :twocents:, but this thread is pointless and stupid.
But I will continue to read because it is funny to see people get pissed off over little things. :chuckle:
Post by: PolarBear on May 22, 2011, 02:52:23 PM
What the hell is that supposed to mean? I raise my own beef so I don't need the meat. I think that it is selfish/stupid to shoot an animal just to shoot it. I've shot my share of spikes and forkies when I was a kid, I have zero desire to do it again even if it means not hunting or eating a tag. I passed up on a half dozen legal bucks last archery season (as well as a couple of small bulls), wound up eating both deer and elk tags and you know what, they tasted pretty damn good! There is nothing wrong with having standards and wanting an actual challenge. I can also guarantee that my daughter's first deer won't be a doe, spike or tiny forkie.I won't shoot a spike or a forkie either. I will leave them for the folks who will, I see no reason to take an animal that I don't want just because I can. The same goes on the last day of season. I'll eat a tag over shooting what I feel is a substandard buck or bull, to me it is a waste and I would rather let him grow.
sorry to hear your just a trophy hunter. last day of the hunt and you wont take an animal.....whatever dude
Post by: Huntnphish on May 22, 2011, 03:20:56 PM
Here is what Bobcat and others are talking about. First buck is a 3X3 with brows and the second image is a 4 point when described over here, the third is a 4 point with brows. This enables most to get a better understanding on the antler configuration, it is not meant as demeaning. ;)
Post by: windygorge on May 22, 2011, 04:10:42 PM
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Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
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Quote from: bobcat on Yesterday at 08:41:24 AM
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.
I think Bobcat nailed it.:yeah:
But if they change it then you'll have a bunch of big old 2 points running around breeding all the does. I like the ability to shoot the big 2 points with eyeguards from a management standpoint.
Post by: KopperBuck on May 23, 2011, 09:34:27 PM
QuoteQuote from: bobcat on Yesterday at 08:41:24 AM
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.I think Bobcat nailed it.:yeah:
But if they change it then you'll have a bunch of big old 2 points running around breeding all the does. I like the ability to shoot the big 2 points with eyeguards from a management standpoint.
Bingo - at least if you're concerned about it from a horn management perspective. I'm beginning to tire of it. Think it's time to move to OR :chuckle: Least I can still shoot for meat down there w/out too many folks complaining about shooting a two pt b/c I'm hungry and have kids to feed. :stirthepot: :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: 6x6in6 on May 23, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
But if your not going to post a picture of your harvest, please let the masses here know that it's a 2, 3 or 4 or more, with or without eyes. :chuckle:
So yeah, I count like Bobcat does too.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 23, 2011, 11:42:19 PM
Post by: Caseyd on May 24, 2011, 12:02:20 AM
Kind of like debating whether you wipe your hiney from front to back or back to front. As long as your "three point" is legal I don't care what you call it.
I don't know about that.....crap on the balls :chuckle:
I've always called them eyeguards :twocents:
Post by: Chesapeake on May 25, 2011, 02:05:32 PM
Brow, bez, trez, dagger, ect...
If you call a 3 point a 3 point and a forky with eye guards a 3 point how are folks suposed to know what your talking about?
If you get a 4x5 elk with a missing bez, then you say its a 4x5 with a missing bez on the 4 point side. Or you call it a raghorn 4x5 ect. A 5x5 raghorn can be worlds different than a 350 inch 5x5. Its easy to specify a little so folks know what your talking about.
I have a young 3 point with double eye guards. To call it a 5x5 would be missleading.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 25, 2011, 03:30:04 PM
I think the original question windygorge was asking is: Why don't you guys here in the west count eyeguards on mule deer?
And I think the answer is: Because a lot of muleys don't have them, and counting an itty-bitty eyeguard on a buck and saying he is a 4X4 does not give an accurate description of the deer.
if you don't get it, then refer back to Huntnphish's pictures... :dunno:
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nuff said..
Post by: PolarBear on May 27, 2011, 07:07:02 AM
Post by: JPhelps on May 27, 2011, 07:14:46 AM
We also use other information so you get a good idea what the buck truly is. For instance my partners buck from last year would be described as a 4 point with 2" eyeguards with an extra sticker on one of the bases, pretty decent back and front forks, 24" wide, decent mass, symmetrical. I would not call this buck a 6x5 and leave it at that, it would be misleading and you don't know what the buck truly was.
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Post by: sakoshooter on May 27, 2011, 09:26:37 AM
No, a 3 point with eyeguards is not the same as a 4 point. The typical mule deer or blacktail deer will have 4 main points per side. So when someone says they got a 4 point, most of us assume they are talking about a true 4 points on each side, it may or may not have eyeguards. We don't know that unless they specifically say it was a 4 point with eyeguards. And again, a 4 point with eyeguards is NOT a five point. I don't care if an eyeguard counts as a point in meeting the legal definition of a 3 point in this state. It's still just a 2 point with eyeguards.
By the way, I sure wish they would change the law so that eyeguards don't count in meeting the 3 point minimum for mule deer in this state. It defeats the purpose of the restriction. They're just allowing certain 2 point bucks that have the misfortune of growing eyeguards to be taken when they shouldn't be. If they're wanting to protect that age class of buck, then the minimum should be a true 3 point.
Agreed.
Post by: KopperBuck on May 27, 2011, 09:40:14 AM
I'm always amazed at how long these threads can go. This question was answered on page 1 in post #7 very well and others afterward have backed that description up and yet there are still people arguing over the way points get counted. :o Happens every year around this time of year.
Yup, and funny stuff. Chalk it up to SDD.
Post by: d-rock on May 27, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
Regardless of why or how,
That makes it pretty easy I think.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 27, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
But this is to illustrate my point:
This is a picture of PathfinderJR's first buck. Here in the west, we call this a 2X3. It is a young, immature mule deer, and the description 2X3 describes that accurately.
BUT, look closely. It actually has TWO inch-long eyeguards on it's left antler.
My son was 9 when he shot this buck. YES, they are legal points. YES, if it came to a question of legality, they are "countable". But did my 9 year old walk around telling people that he shot a "5 point mule deer"?
No. Because it's not.
Post by: Woodchuck on May 27, 2011, 11:16:43 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 27, 2011, 11:18:51 AM
7 pointer :chuckle:
Yeah....Oh, and since his G3 on his right was actually busted off when he shot him, should we call him a 3X5? An 8 point....? :dunno:
Post by: Woodchuck on May 27, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 27, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Why not? We have a certain person on here who claims to have shot a 200" buck, he means that if it hadn't broken off 10" of tine and if you allow for the extra 10" above what the official score was. Adding 10" of lie and 10" of what should have been = 200". LOL! Some folks feel they need to get it no matter what, if it is actually there or not. :chuckle:7 pointer :chuckle:
Yeah....Oh, and since his G3 on his right was actually busted off when he shot him, should we call him a 3X5? An 8 point....? :dunno:
Post by: Huntnphish on May 27, 2011, 03:37:57 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on May 27, 2011, 11:56:21 PM