Post by: Coastal_native on May 30, 2011, 11:03:04 PM
Seriously...illegal mole trapping...I mean seriously, c'mon Washington. That piece of legislation isn't worth the paper it's written on. My second idea involved a lawn chair, a spot light, a pitchfork, and a six pack.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on May 30, 2011, 11:08:49 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on May 30, 2011, 11:14:42 PM
I thought what I read said "body gripping" traps. Examples being the scissor and spear styles.
I hope you're right. I want the little sucker dead, not in a cage. I'm not gonna kill all the earth worms and grubs in my yard just to rid myself of a mole either
Post by: TheSkyBuster on May 30, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
Unlawful traps — Penalty.
(1) It is unlawful to use or authorize the use of any steel-jawed leghold trap, neck snare, or other body-gripping trap to capture any mammal for recreation or commerce in fur.
(2) It is unlawful to knowingly buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange, or offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange the raw fur of a mammal or a mammal that has been trapped in this state with a steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap, whether or not pursuant to permit.
(3) It is unlawful to use or authorize the use of any steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap to capture any animal, except as provided in subsections (4) and (5) of this section.
(4) Nothing in this section prohibits the use of a Conibear trap in water, a padded leghold trap, or a nonstrangling type foot snare with a special permit granted by the director under (a) through (d) of this subsection. Issuance of the special permits shall be governed by rules adopted by the department and in accordance with the requirements of this section. Every person granted a special permit to use a trap or device listed in this subsection shall check the trap or device at least every twenty-four hours.
(a) Nothing in this section prohibits the director, in consultation with the department of social and health services or the United States department of health and human services from granting a permit to use traps listed in this subsection for the purpose of protecting people from threats to their health and safety.
(b) Nothing in this section prohibits the director from granting a special permit to use traps listed in this subsection to a person who applies for such a permit in writing, and who establishes that there exists on a property an animal problem that has not been and cannot be reasonably abated by the use of nonlethal control tools, including but not limited to guard animals, electric fencing, or box and cage traps, or if such nonlethal means cannot be reasonably applied. Upon making a finding in writing that the animal problem has not been and cannot be reasonably abated by nonlethal control tools or if the tools cannot be reasonably applied, the director may authorize the use, setting, placing, or maintenance of the traps for a period not to exceed thirty days.
(c) Nothing in this section prohibits the director from granting a special permit to department employees or agents to use traps listed in this subsection where the use of the traps is the only practical means of protecting threatened or endangered species as designated under RCW 77.08.010.
(d) Nothing in this section prohibits the director from issuing a permit to use traps listed in this subsection, excluding Conibear traps, for the conduct of legitimate wildlife research.
(5) Nothing in this section prohibits the United States fish and wildlife service, its employees or agents, from using a trap listed in subsection (4) of this section where the fish and wildlife service determines, in consultation with the director, that the use of such traps is necessary to protect species listed as threatened or endangered under the federal endangered species act (16 U.S.C. Sec. 1531 et seq.).
(6) A person violating this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
RCW 77.15.192
Definitions.
The definitions in this section apply throughout RCW 77.15.194 through 77.15.198.
(1) "Animal" means any nonhuman vertebrate.
(2) "Body-gripping trap" means a trap that grips an animal's body or body part. Body-gripping trap includes, but is not limited to, steel-jawed leghold traps, padded-jaw leghold traps, Conibear traps, neck snares, and nonstrangling foot snares. Cage and box traps, suitcase-type live beaver traps, and common rat and mouse traps are not considered body-gripping traps.
(3) "Person" means a human being and, where appropriate, a public or private corporation, an unincorporated association, a partnership, a government, or a governmental instrumentality.
(4) "Raw fur" means a pelt that has not been processed for purposes of retail sale.
(5) "Animal problem" means any animal that threatens or damages timber or private property or threatens or injures livestock or any other domestic animal.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on May 31, 2011, 05:08:07 AM
http://www.rodenator.com/ (http://www.rodenator.com/)
Much more fun :IBCOOL:
Post by: runamuk on May 31, 2011, 06:11:54 AM
C'mon....Rasbo has not responded yet? He's the mole master. :yike: or try this....Rasbo left for Lyons ferry for catfishing he will be back next week I am sure he will chime in then ;)
http://www.rodenator.com/ (http://www.rodenator.com/)
Much more fun :IBCOOL:
but yes the mole traps you buy at feed stores are actually illegal to use...this state is awesome huh :bash:
Post by: BobW on May 31, 2011, 06:14:49 AM
It was done in the same law the made it illegal to trap bear or bait bear, or run them with dogs, same with cougar.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on May 31, 2011, 07:31:01 AM
Post by: Machias on May 31, 2011, 08:01:23 AM
Coastal_native This waste of paper was brought to you by the voters of the state of Washington.
It was done in the same law the made it illegal to trap bear or bait bear, or run them with dogs, same with cougar.
Actually it was a seperate law, I-713 in 2000, the ban on hounds and baiting was in 1996, I 655. :'(
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2011, 08:06:25 AM
Post by: THunt on May 31, 2011, 08:15:00 AM
Post by: Hunterman on May 31, 2011, 09:04:15 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Oldguy on May 31, 2011, 09:09:55 AM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on May 31, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
A .410 works great..
Hunterman(Tony)
Don't forget the lawn chair. My grandfather used to do that. Sit near the mole hill with the .410 and wait for some new dirt to push up and BLAM. No more mole.
Post by: Houndhunter on May 31, 2011, 09:41:10 AM
Post by: Humptulips on May 31, 2011, 10:15:25 AM
You can thank Lisa Watne who was the leader of HSUS in the state at the time. They brought you the Initiative and lied to the voters about the consequences of the Inititive. They received a big fine from the Election Commission but because they set up a shell organization to run the campaign the fine was never paid and they suffered no consequences. Guess they knew they were going to lie and get fined.
And yes they give out tickets but it seems only to people that made a living trapping moles.
Think this is fair. A trapper in Grays Harbor gets an $11,000 fine for breaking the law on a first offence but the grounds crew for the Capitol gets a warning.
We been trying to fix this for 10 years with no luck. You can thank Rep. Hans Dunshee and Rep. Kevin Van De Wege for blocking any efforts to change the law.
Post by: D360 on May 31, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Post by: Curly on May 31, 2011, 10:34:54 AM
Doesn't being Native American give you any defense for using traps? ..............
Anyway, on all seriousness, I'd use the scissor trap if I were you and not worry about it too much. The state is likely not going to enforce the law on you. They have gone after professional mole exterminators that use the traps but I haven't heard about them ticketing a homeowner. Hell, they didn't even write-up the governor.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 31, 2011, 10:39:03 AM
Post by: Coastal_native on May 31, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
No, Curley, I don't think mole control was a reserved right in our treaty :chuckle:
Yes, pianoman, I'll give the poison peanuts a try, but I haven't heard anything positive about them...and hopefully I don't kill my dog in the process. I'll post pics of my success...after I iron the kinks out of his carcass that is :rolleyes:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 31, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
Post by: rasbo on June 12, 2011, 11:03:33 AM
Post by: Coastal_native on June 12, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: furbearer365 on June 12, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 17, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
Thanks all, for the advice and history of the initiative.
No, Curley, I don't think mole control was a reserved right in our treaty :chuckle:
Yes, pianoman, I'll give the poison peanuts a try, but I haven't heard anything positive about them...and hopefully I don't kill my dog in the process. I'll post pics of my success...after I iron the kinks out of his carcass that is :rolleyes:
A friend of mine tried the little poison peanuts on her place, when she checked to see if any had been taken, she found a bunch of broken shells, some little tiny, crushed beer cans and a note asking if they could get some more by Friday night to go with the game..... :tup:
Post by: Bofire on June 18, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
>:( Another way is a 30/06 or so size of empty brass, fill it with black powder, get some Rocket igniters at the hobby store, put tape on the metal ends bend them over and shove the igniter into the powder, pinch the case mouth shut, wrap a couple wires on the igniter leads, get yer radio shack mecury switch, run a wire to it and the a lead from it (long lead!!) run both the wires to yer truck battery, stuff the shell and the switch in to dirt hill, make sure the mecury switch is set, go to yer truck, hook the wires to yer battery (50 feet away or more) sit in yer chair, open a cold one and wait for Mr mole to set off the mine. :IBCOOL: or the lawn chair and 12 gauge works, 410 is too small!! :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2011, 12:06:43 PM
Post by: phishisgroovin on June 18, 2011, 12:12:32 PM
Post by: Curly on June 18, 2011, 12:25:17 PM
I used to have heavy trap I could set over mole hills, held a 12 gauge shell pointed straight down and had a little foot trigger that released trip hammer with a sharp point, shot the shell straight down, killed the mole when he moved the dirt!! Loaned it to a friend, when his neighbor found out what it was he called the cops and they stole my trap!!:chuckle: But I like the idea with the 30/06 brass and black powder. :tup: :chuckle:
>:( Another way is a 30/06 or so size of empty brass, fill it with black powder, get some Rocket igniters at the hobby store, put tape on the metal ends bend them over and shove the igniter into the powder, pinch the case mouth shut, wrap a couple wires on the igniter leads, get yer radio shack mecury switch, run a wire to it and the a lead from it (long lead!!) run both the wires to yer truck battery, stuff the shell and the switch in to dirt hill, make sure the mecury switch is set, go to yer truck, hook the wires to yer battery (50 feet away or more) sit in yer chair, open a cold one and wait for Mr mole to set off the mine. :IBCOOL: or the lawn chair and 12 gauge works, 410 is too small!! :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: Humptulips on June 18, 2011, 03:09:18 PM
I used to have heavy trap I could set over mole hills, held a 12 gauge shell pointed straight down and had a little foot trigger that released trip hammer with a sharp point, shot the shell straight down, killed the mole when he moved the dirt!! Loaned it to a friend, when his neighbor found out what it was he called the cops and they stole my trap!!
>:( Another way is a 30/06 or so size of empty brass, fill it with black powder, get some Rocket igniters at the hobby store, put tape on the metal ends bend them over and shove the igniter into the powder, pinch the case mouth shut, wrap a couple wires on the igniter leads, get yer radio shack mecury switch, run a wire to it and the a lead from it (long lead!!) run both the wires to yer truck battery, stuff the shell and the switch in to dirt hill, make sure the mecury switch is set, go to yer truck, hook the wires to yer battery (50 feet away or more) sit in yer chair, open a cold one and wait for Mr mole to set off the mine. :IBCOOL: or the lawn chair and 12 gauge works, 410 is too small!! :chuckle:
Carl
Lucky you and your neighbor didn't get arrested. Set guns have been illegal for a long long time and dangerous too. A couple years ago a kid got shot by his grandfathers mole set gun in GH County.
fill mole hole with alot of propane and tape a sparkler on a long stick and light propane. Mole dead.
This sound pretty dangerous also. It's amazing what people are resorting to because of this law. Scary too!
Post by: RadSav on June 18, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
If you know someone with an old "Halon" fire extinguisher that works probably the best. But, it is not nearly as fun as propane.
Post by: steen on June 18, 2011, 04:25:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
My Dad always used a shovel. Packed the hill down and watched for when they dig. He'd scoop them out with a swipe of the shovel and wack 'em. He rid the whole neighborhood of them.
Does he just stand there waiting? I could see him standing there for a long time waiting. He must be a patient man. I couldn't do it...I'd freak out waiting.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 18, 2011, 04:42:16 PM
Post by: Humptulips on June 18, 2011, 11:04:28 PM
i need to get a picture of my buddies mole gismo ... It shoots a 12 ga. shell and it works awesome but do not want kids around it ... he puts a garbage can over it and you cant hear the shot go off ... works awesome ...he needs to make and sell the dang things ....
Hello, illegal as heck. Doubt you would sell very many before the cops would swoop down on you.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 19, 2011, 08:09:19 PM
fill mole hole with alot of propane and tape a sparkler on a long stick and light propane. Mole dead.
Ever seen the movie "Caddy Shack?"
Post by: xd2005 on June 19, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
My Dad always used a shovel. Packed the hill down and watched for when they dig. He'd scoop them out with a swipe of the shovel and wack 'em. He rid the whole neighborhood of them.
That's how my grandpa taught me to do it when I was a teen. Got a few of them that way...usually it was more luck than patience :)
Got one last year by flooding him out. He had been digging so I threw the hose down the hole and cranked it up. Next thing I know a mole is floating out of the hole gasping for breath. Quick smack with the shovel and I (or should I say it) was done :IBCOOL:
Post by: Curly on June 19, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
My Dad always used a shovel. Packed the hill down and watched for when they dig. He'd scoop them out with a swipe of the shovel and wack 'em. He rid the whole neighborhood of them.
That's how my grandpa taught me to do it when I was a teen. Got a few of them that way...usually it was more luck than patience :)
Got one last year by flooding him out. He had been digging so I threw the hose down the hole and cranked it up. Next thing I know a mole is floating out of the hole gasping for breath. Quick smack with the shovel and I (or should I say it) was done :IBCOOL:
I'm really loving reading about these little vermin getting what they deserve. 8) Way to go. :tup:
Post by: D360 on June 26, 2011, 07:53:34 PM
Post by: xd2005 on June 26, 2011, 07:59:21 PM
Just got two tonight, good old 12 gauge :tup:
Where are their tags??? :chuckle:
Post by: D360 on June 26, 2011, 11:38:45 PM
Post by: Machias on June 27, 2011, 07:38:22 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 27, 2011, 08:05:13 AM
Post by: Machias on June 27, 2011, 08:30:47 AM
Post by: rasbo on June 27, 2011, 09:06:18 AM
Maybe the state should have a special permit drawing for moles for any weapons.there were so bad here the state let some hound hunters come in to cut down the population.After losing two dogs to the mean bastage's they gathered the hounds and left.
Post by: Gobble Gobble on June 27, 2011, 09:24:51 AM
Post by: D360 on June 27, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
But were you wearing blaze orange? ;)I was in the Battle Ground Unit don't need orange. I had my mole hunting camo on, cut off shirt, shorts, romeos lol
Post by: rasbo on June 28, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
Post by: Curly on June 28, 2011, 08:13:22 AM
I just noticed two new mole mounds in my back yard this morning when I left for work. I'm going to have to shoot the little *censored* tomorrow. >:( I just hope he doesn't do any more damage today while I'm away. :bash:
Post by: runamuk on June 28, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
Post by: ouchfoss on June 28, 2011, 09:25:33 AM
You should get a SCI scorer and get that in the books and then a good full body mount to show it off. Thats definetly a trophy mole. Congrats Rasbo
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 28, 2011, 09:27:41 AM
Post by: Machias on June 28, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Post by: rasbo on June 28, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
I only use box traps for moles and I release all of them I catch.....in Rasbo's neighbor's yard. :chuckle:breaking news,mule skinner found with a 330 conibear attatched to his junk... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Machias on June 28, 2011, 04:13:43 PM
Post by: runamuk on June 28, 2011, 04:30:27 PM
I only use box traps for moles and I release all of them I catch.....in Rasbo's neighbor's yard. :chuckle:breaking news,mule skinner found with a 330 conibear attatched to his junk... :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yike:
getting hazardous out there
Post by: Goldeneye on June 28, 2011, 06:00:32 PM