Post by: xd2005 on June 04, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
So I've decided it needs to be 4x4, Access cab size (not crew, but full back seat), 6.5'+ bed, and automatic. I'm leaning (heavily) gasoline and probably 1/2 ton.
Now it's just deciding what to get and I'm completely torn, so thought I'd throw it out to you guys for your thoughts.
I do have Consumer Report (CR) ratings, so I've had that influence me some. They are not too hot on the Dodge Ram or Nissan Titan, so I've shied away from them. The truck will be used as a daily commuter (although it's only a couple mile trip for me to work and back) and for hunting/camping trips, and general stuff aroudn the house. My hope is one day to throw a camper on the back (nothing big, just something to keep me and the family dry and warm while hunting).
My main focus has been on the Chevy Silverado 1500 (although I drove a 2500HD, which I liked but not at 10-11 MPG), Ford F-150, and Toyota Tundra.
My thoughts thus far:
Silverado - CR isn't too hot on it for a few years, so I have a little hesitation.
F-150 - All around fine truck. Not much to complain about.
Tundra - Smooth ride (seemed car-like...at least the 2010 I drove). I like the look, particularly of the older models. Looked like it had the lower payload capacity of most of the full-size trucks, which provides a little concern due to the potential of a camper.
Finally, I'm still stuck debating new vs. used. Pretty much everyone has 0% financing or cash back incentives on new, but they're also still in the $30k+ range. Used, since they don't have the incentives, it seems like it takes quite a few years for there to be much of a difference between the new and used. Because of that, I'm kind of thinking either bite the bullet and get new or go 5+ years old and pay <$15k and hope it works out for the next 5, give or take, years.
Since I know just about all of you have gone through this process, what lessons have you learned and advice do you have?
Thanks!
Post by: butcher98951 on June 04, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
Post by: coop2424 on June 04, 2011, 07:07:42 PM
Post by: xd2005 on June 04, 2011, 07:15:49 PM
I Just got a new tundra and absolutely love it and could not be happier. It has airbags on the rear which has allowed me to haul some pretty heavy loads and it was like nothing was in there. Also got to love the smooth ride and the resale value if you ever have to sell it.
Which engine did you get?
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on June 04, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
Post by: mebco09 on June 04, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
I was a Chevy guy, up until the bailout.
My thought was: Chevy always had better motors, better looks (maybe) and got better mileage.
When I bought my latest pickup, which is a Ford, I realized what I was missing! The new Fords are tight trucks. Nice quality and well thought out. The Chevys? loose and cheaply built. For years driving chevys, I just lived with the door lock mechanisims that fell out, uncomfortable seats, crappy heater controls, oil leaking from behind the dash, slipping transmissions etc. Chevy has good motors with lots of power and as good mileage as you can expect, but in my old age, I really like not having to fiddle around with little stuff on a new truck the way I did with all my Chevs.
Post by: coop2424 on June 04, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
I Just got a new tundra and absolutely love it and could not be happier. It has airbags on the rear which has allowed me to haul some pretty heavy loads and it was like nothing was in there. Also got to love the smooth ride and the resale value if you ever have to sell it.I got the 5.7 and So far have been extremly happy with it. It for sure has some power. It probably is more power than I need right now but I do not see the point of the 4.6 to get 1-2 better gas mileage if that. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Which engine did you get?
Post by: xd2005 on June 04, 2011, 08:32:56 PM
Post by: 383man on June 04, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
You won't go wrong with a Ford.
I was a Chevy guy, up until the bailout.
My thought was: Chevy always had better motors, better looks (maybe) and got better mileage.
When I bought my latest pickup, which is a Ford, I realized what I was missing! The new Fords are tight trucks. Nice quality and well thought out. The Chevys? loose and cheaply built. For years driving chevys, I just lived with the door lock mechanisims that fell out, uncomfortable seats, crappy heater controls, oil leaking from behind the dash, slipping transmissions etc. Chevy has good motors with lots of power and as good mileage as you can expect, but in my old age, I really like not having to fiddle around with little stuff on a new truck the way I did with all my Chevs.
that seems a bit objective, i am on my 3rd silverado now, upgrading from a 2001 standard cab, to a 2007 extended cab, to now a 2009 crew cab, loved them all, they have all been tight trucks, no issues, seats are comfy as hell, the heater controls in both are dual climate control electronically controlled units, spectacular control. and the 6 speed hydrostatic transmission is smooth as it gets, and my half ton truck is rated for 9500lbs. I tow a 6500lb toy hauler with 2 quads and loaded down and it pulls it with ease. I assume your chevy's were older models, but the new trucks are amazing, if you ask me that is...lol
Post by: Armadillo on June 04, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
So I was looking at the Edmunds.com True Cost to Own section (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2011/tco.html?style=101307070 (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2011/tco.html?style=101307070)) and it shows the maintenance on the F-150s to be almost twice as much as the Tundra and Silverado. Anyone know why?
I really do think hands down chevys are smoother riding and more quality than fords. Its all about how well you maintain them and how you treat them but typically ive always seen more maintanance done to family owned fords than family owned chevs
Post by: Caseyd on June 04, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Honestly, you won't go wrong getting either one. Just comes down to which one YOU like better (body style, interior etc) :twocents:
You are on the right track of looking at the options of new vs used. Like you said if you go used you are going to have to get a couple years old to not end up paying the same. Then you have to worry about warranty left etc....Just focus on actual amount paid not monthly payment.
Dad just got a new crew cab ltz chevy at 0% zero down. Talked em down 8k. Theres always room to talk or walk ;)
Post by: SeaRun1 on June 04, 2011, 10:29:11 PM
On a Turkey trip up to Okanagon awhile back I got 19.1 mpg for the trip. I have no complaints with the truck except for the Ipod/radio interface which I think is horrible.
SeaRun1
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on June 04, 2011, 10:44:21 PM
Post by: FC on June 04, 2011, 10:50:44 PM
So I was looking at the Edmunds.com True Cost to Own section (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2011/tco.html?style=101307070 (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2011/tco.html?style=101307070)) and it shows the maintenance on the F-150s to be almost twice as much as the Tundra and Silverado. Anyone know why?
Easy: Ford builds junk, GM and Toyota do not! Of those I would recommend the Toyota, look at some of the access cabs. Personally I would try and find one with a 3.4l V6 for a little bit better gas mileage but the V8 is a good motor and pretty easy to maintain.
My best advice would be to mentally pick the trucks you like and then go find and drive 3 of each to get a good idea of how they should feel.
Post by: KFhunter on June 04, 2011, 10:52:06 PM
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Post by: PolarBear on June 04, 2011, 11:00:18 PM
Post by: FC on June 04, 2011, 11:03:09 PM
FC, you got it backwards.
20+ years as a mechanic, I beg to differ.
Post by: PolarBear on June 04, 2011, 11:17:03 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:21:46 PM
Easy: Ford builds junk, GM and Toyota do not!
I agree with 1/3 of this statement. I've worked with a FLEET of Fords, Chevy's and Dodges. They all got pounded to hell. If you look around and count the vehicles that have survived to four years, Fords beat the Chevy's and Dodges combined... by FAR.
Since the OP mentioned Toyota, I say go with them! Here's my plug: Toyota is the #1 car driven by millionaires. Not even Lexus--just Toyota. They're more expensive, but they're worth it. Or you could say that domestics are cheap... for good reason.
This January I bought a 2003 Toyota Tundra access cab with 4wd for $6,000. It had 200,000 miles, but I didn't bat an eye. It was well maintained and it shows. Still no problems with it. I get 17.5-18mpg but I do mostly freeway driving.
Also, to the OP: good call on the 4wd. Don't waiver on this, esp as a hunter and esp in the PNW. Too many hills and the week or two that you have snow every year makes them well worth it.
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:23:53 PM
As a stockholder I beg to differ. My Ford stock is worth many times that of GM. They didn't get to be #1 in the US auto biz by building crap, period.
:yeah:
Though to be fair, you can't just go off stock price alone... If you want to do some pecker sizing you'd need to look at market capitalization (share price x shares outstanding).
If I were to buy a domestic I'd buy Ford just to reward them for not selling their soul to the Obamanation.
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:24:31 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:29:18 PM
Since I know just about all of you have gone through this process, what lessons have you learned and advice do you have?
One of the best decisions I've ever made in life is to not buy a new car. Sure you can customize it, and 0% financing is tempting.
However, unless you're completely debt free, have a sizeable and growing retirement fund, and can pay cash outright for it, I say it is foolish to buy a brand new car. Simply for the depreciation factor.
Believe it or not you can get a lower price by paying cash for a brand new vehicle. There is no such thing as "free financing." Big business doesn't loan money for free, period. The stealership pays for the financing and that in turn affects how low they'll go on a new car.
What do I know... I just count beans :'(
Post by: FC on June 04, 2011, 11:39:21 PM
As a stockholder I beg to differ. My Ford stock is worth many times that of GM. They didn't get to be #1 in the US auto biz by building crap, period.
Actually that is exactly what they did! They are the Walmart of the auto industry, they built a ton of junk cars and sold them cheap. Don't get me wrong, GM cars are crap, their trucks are decent, Ford rear wheel drive cars are pretty good but everything else they make is pretty much crap, very poorly engineered with tons of EGR related and electrical failures. Toyota makes good cars and trucks period! Yes they have had their own recall fiasco recently but last I knew it was still nowhere even close to the size of Ford's last few safety recalls.
Bean Counter, if you are having your Fords outlast your Dodge and Chevy trucks you need to see WTF is going on with your fleet maintenance! I've done a ton of fleet maintenance and that is ass backwards of what you should be seeing. The order should run Toyota, Dodge, GM and then Ford for truck lifespan. If running Diesels it will likely be Dodge, Ford and then Chevy.
Post by: Caseyd on June 04, 2011, 11:40:13 PM
Opportunity cost?
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:51:33 PM
Someone who has to go into debt to finance something costing $40,000 should consider a cheaper option. Put me on the hot seat about my Toyota... If I spend $6,000 on a truck with 200,000mi and wind up replacing the transmission AND the engine, am I going to get anywhere close to that $40,000 new truck as a total investment? :twocents:
Post by: Bean Counter on June 04, 2011, 11:56:04 PM
Bean Counter, if you are having your Fords outlast your Dodge and Chevy trucks you need to see WTF is going on with your fleet maintenance! I've done a ton of fleet maintenance and that is ass backwards of what you should be seeing. The order should run Toyota, Dodge, GM and then Ford for truck lifespan. If running Diesels it will likely be Dodge, Ford and then Chevy.
I'm no mechanic--but I play one on t.v. Just kidding though I do change my own oil, spark plugs, etc.
Yes, they were mostly diesels. I highly doubt the mechanics had it out for Dodge and Chevy. They probably got scrapped when the cost for the next maintenance or repair exceeds the value of the vehicle. I didn't count those beans--just telling you I saw 2x+ more Ford's than D and C combined.
Post by: FC on June 05, 2011, 12:23:05 AM
Yes, they were mostly diesels. I highly doubt the mechanics had it out for Dodge and Chevy.
I would doubt that too but they may not be well educated in how to work on them all and their standard procedures may well be lacking. Me and every guy I ever trained to maintain diesels always drained the water out of the fuel filter any time they opened the hood to do an oil change or more to it. Little things like that, I always re-routed all the wiring for the Ford glow plug relay too, Ford finally put a recall out on those since they kept catching fire :) All those little things really make trucks live longer, if you know all the dirty secrets and how to beat them before an actual failure it makes a big difference.
Post by: chongo469 on June 05, 2011, 12:48:19 AM
Post by: NWBREW on June 05, 2011, 03:56:16 AM
I would go with Ford or Tundra. No second thoughts.
Post by: rtspring on June 05, 2011, 04:13:29 AM
I have owned a FORD car or truck since highschool ( 20 years ago) Not one of them has spent one day in a garage other than regular tune up and or maintenance. NOT ONE. I have had both cars and trucks. So if i were to buy the crap you are trying to tell everyone one here then I must be the luckiest guy in the world.
Ok your a mechanic, they all are subject to breakdowns here and there. But for you to sit there and try to feed us that FORD is garbage? I beg to differ with you and your words of wisdom. Because I think your full of B.S.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 05, 2011, 06:34:34 AM
Post by: PolarBear on June 05, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
FC, So FORD is the "WALMART" of the auto industry huh?:yeah:
I have owned a FORD car or truck since highschool ( 20 years ago) Not one of them has spent one day in a garage other than regular tune up and or maintenance. NOT ONE. I have had both cars and trucks. So if i were to buy the crap you are trying to tell everyone one here then I must be the luckiest guy in the world.
Ok your a mechanic, they all are subject to breakdowns here and there. But for you to sit there and try to feed us that FORD is garbage? I beg to differ with you and your words of wisdom. Because I think your full of B.S.
Post by: TheHunt on June 05, 2011, 08:42:37 AM
Post by: swanny on June 05, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
Post by: netcoyote on June 05, 2011, 09:24:26 AM
I've owned big trucks and little trucks, Chevy, Dodge, and Nissan. To address xd2005's original point is a little difficult because there are so many factors to consider in a decision like this and he didn't get into all of them. A few things about his post though:
I wouldn't put a lot of weight on a Consumer Reports evaluation of trucks. We used to be subscribers of their magazine and I got tired of seeing their obviously biased puff-pieces and there evaluations based on features like the number of cup-holders and crap like that. Better to get opinions from guys like the mechanics and fleet guys with practical experience.
XD, if you are serious about putting a camper on that rig, you better be thinking definitely about a 3/4 ton frame or better. Manufacturers are leery about buyers putting heavy campers on high ground clearance rigs and will usually post some kind of notice to that affect on a new rig. If you are only thinking about a light weight pop-top, it's less of a deal.
Also have to agree with Bean Counter on the value of buying a good used rig. I bought a new Dodge Ram diesel in 2002. Got a stripped down version, but it has served well and hauled a lot of horses. As I learned more about the Rams with the Cummins engine I decided to buy two others but went the used route. Bought a '98 and a '01 both with a shade under 100k on the clock. You get a lot of truck for your money and the resale really holds well since you can run the Cummins for so long. Yea, I know about the weak fuel pumps and automatic transmissions on Dodges. We have replaced two injector and two lift pumps and still have not had transmission problems. Still a lot cheaper than a new rig.
The truck I've put the most miles on has been the 1997 Nissan that I bought new. I've got over 160k miles and it still looks and feels new. Everything is tight and does not leak fluids. Of course I don't tow much with it, just an occasional fishing boat trailer or utility trailer but it's great for getting up into those high places with overgrown trails.
Only had one Chevy and it was underpowered for what we wanted to use it for (haul horse trailer). My bad. I didn't spend enough time with that truck so I won't add to the Dodge/Chevy/Ford war....just passing on my experience.
Post by: Bofire on June 05, 2011, 11:31:40 AM
Carl
Post by: alecvg on June 05, 2011, 12:24:42 PM
Post by: mossback91 on June 05, 2011, 12:33:40 PM
Post by: FC on June 05, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
FC, So FORD is the "WALMART" of the auto industry huh?
I have owned a FORD car or truck since highschool ( 20 years ago) Not one of them has spent one day in a garage other than regular tune up and or maintenance. NOT ONE. I have had both cars and trucks. So if i were to buy the crap you are trying to tell everyone one here then I must be the luckiest guy in the world.
Ok your a mechanic, they all are subject to breakdowns here and there. But for you to sit there and try to feed us that FORD is garbage? I beg to differ with you and your words of wisdom. Because I think your full of B.S.
So here is where I get rude and call it like I see it: If you have been driving for 20 years and you have never had any kind of breakage you are either a liar or you buy a new one every other year. Cars are mechanical things, they all break eventually! I'm sure your 20 years of "experience" far outstrips mine...I only have experience with a few thousand cars and trucks after all. Please continue to buy Fords, on behalf of all mechanics I thank you!
Post by: xd2005 on June 05, 2011, 12:50:10 PM
I'm currently considering a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab. The only big downside is the miles, at 90,XXX. It's from a "car lot" vs "dealer" which I'm also always leery of (no particular reason), but seems to be priced about $5k under KBB.
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 05, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
Post by: alecvg on June 05, 2011, 02:33:22 PM
FC, So FORD is the "WALMART" of the auto industry huh?
I have owned a FORD car or truck since highschool ( 20 years ago) Not one of them has spent one day in a garage other than regular tune up and or maintenance. NOT ONE. I have had both cars and trucks. So if i were to buy the crap you are trying to tell everyone one here then I must be the luckiest guy in the world.
Ok your a mechanic, they all are subject to breakdowns here and there. But for you to sit there and try to feed us that FORD is garbage? I beg to differ with you and your words of wisdom. Because I think your full of B.S.
I love how people get so personal about this stuff, makes me laugh every time! :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 05, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Thanks all for your opinions!
I'm currently considering a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab. The only big downside is the miles, at 90,XXX. It's from a "car lot" vs "dealer" which I'm also always leery of (no particular reason), but seems to be priced about $5k under KBB.
That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.
Post by: xd2005 on June 05, 2011, 03:25:56 PM
That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.
I believe this is a lease return actually. I can definitely "do better" as far as miles goes, but it would probably be hard to not pay significantly more for fewer miles (this is lower value already due to miles, and is listed well below KBB).
I'm not necessarily sold on the vehicle yet, but there are some mitigates to the high mileage, such as the fact that it's probably a lot of freeway driving in order to get that many miles on it that fast.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 05, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
Post by: 383man on June 05, 2011, 07:00:56 PM
As a stockholder I beg to differ. My Ford stock is worth many times that of GM. They didn't get to be #1 in the US auto biz by building crap, period.
as a stockholder, you would be wrong with your assumptions. right now, even after the bailout, GM stock is at 29 dollars a share, ford stock is at 14, GM has always outperformed Ford in the stock market, do you just make this stuff up? look at etrade and confirm it. they are not #1 in the u.s., they sell the most F-150's, GM has always been the #1 auto maker in the u.s., until the last few years, when Toyota surpassed them, ford is still lower than both. quit making up facts man. but on a lighter note, any brand is gonna have a great truck, and whatever you pick will work great for you, to each his own...
Post by: ribka on June 05, 2011, 07:49:13 PM
GM stock just cost the US taxpayers 14 BILLIONS dollars!!!!!!. That is money out of MY pocket.
Plus GM products are sub standard in quality. Every GM fleet car in last 20 years we have had has had major mechanical malfunctions under 50 K. SOme under 20 K. Built and runs like a rock
I do not want to drive a rock I want to drive a dependable truck like a Toyota or Ford.
My Toyotas go 200 k before I worry about any problems besides tires and oil changes. Same with Honda cars I have owned
So I have to support lazy UAW workers who show up to work drunk and stoned and build a crappy vehicle. I am going to trust my family's safety in that vehicle?
I have to pay for UAW 's free health care for life while I pay over $500 a month for my health care? And if purchase a GM product Part of the proceeds go to re elect DEMS like Patty Murray? Screw that!
No brainer. Why would I put more money in Obama's pockets?? He is screwing up our once great country :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Obama’s Vote Buying Cost Taxpayers A Bundle
Posted on June 3, 2011 by Conservatives on Fire 15
Remember Obama’s bail out of General Motors and Chrysler? Of course you do. How could anyone possibly forget? The news media and Obama himself have declared the bail out a great success. Well, it was a great success for Obama and the Democrats but not so great for the taxpayers. Our President likes to refer to the bail out as a “government bail out”. As if the government used its own money. The government doesn’t have its own money. What the government has is your money, which they dearly love to spend. And they don’t even ask your permission. So, was the bail out a resounding success as Obama and the media say? Maybe it wasn’t all that great. Michael Whipple, writing for the Canada Free Press, has a somewhat different opinion. this is an article that is worth your time to read. Here are a few excerpts:
So even though all the media hype is pushing Obama’s mantra of what a great thing it was to destroy the constitution in taking over the auto industry, the US is still short $14 billion. Obama says “it helped save jobs, rescue an industry at the heart of America’s manufacturing sector and position it to be more competitive in the future.” according to the Washington Post. Geithner said ““We cannot guarantee their success, and at some point they may stumble. But we’ve given them a better shot,”.
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A UAW-controlled auto retiree health care fund was owed $20 billion by GM before the bailout.
Under the White House-dictated terms, UAW-appointed fund managers got back half of what they were owed in cash, whereas taxpayers who were owed $19.4 billion didn’t get a dime back in cash.
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It should be noted that the UAW is one of the most politically active of all unions. The union gave $2,119.937 to the 2008 campaigns 99% of which went to Obama and the Democrats. They gave another $1,106,500 in this past 2010 election cycle 100% of which went to Democrats. That is a total of $3,226,437 in just the last two election cycles. That does not include the phone banks, neighborhood canvassing and get out the vote efforts. Since 1990 the UAW has donated $26,510,252 of which 99% went to Democrats.
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The real bailout was the union money laundering scheme that keeps union dollars flowing into Democrat campaign coffers. That is the Chicago way of redistributing the wealth. Taking from the unsuspecting taxpayer to give to the union campaign supporters.
And on top of all of that:
The government is subsidizing purchases of the GM Volt to the tune of $7,500 each. By the way that $7,500 is being supplied by you the taxpayer and is not being considered in the overall loss figures on the GM union payoff scam.
Wow! The taxpayers got a real bargain, didn’t they? Right! You are $14 billion in the hole, but gee, just think of all the votes that Obama bought for himself and other Democrats. They are taking real good care of you, don’t you think?
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Post by: Bean Counter on June 05, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
I like them all, but overall, I would say I am a chevy guy. I love the looks, and driving it is like driving in a lazy boy compared to all the fords I have drivin. If it were me, I would go chevy or toyota.
I can't argue with this. Chevy trucks seem to be a lot smoother off road than Ford's in my experience. Also, the asthetics of the Chevy interior seem to best the Ford.
Post by: Bean Counter on June 05, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.
I believe this is a lease return actually. I can definitely "do better" as far as miles goes, but it would probably be hard to not pay significantly more for fewer miles (this is lower value already due to miles, and is listed well below KBB).
I'm not necessarily sold on the vehicle yet, but there are some mitigates to the high mileage, such as the fact that it's probably a lot of freeway driving in order to get that many miles on it that fast.
One other thing about Toyota stealerships is a buyers pre purchase inspection. They run about $100 and I find them well worth the money. I don't know whether Ford does them or not but obvioulsy if you're buying a lease return at the stealership itself and it has a warranty, you can skip this step.
Post by: 383man on June 05, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
Post by: ribka on June 05, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.
I believe this is a lease return actually. I can definitely "do better" as far as miles goes, but it would probably be hard to not pay significantly more for fewer miles (this is lower value already due to miles, and is listed well below KBB).
I'm not necessarily sold on the vehicle yet, but there are some mitigates to the high mileage, such as the fact that it's probably a lot of freeway driving in order to get that many miles on it that fast.
One other thing about Toyota stealerships is a buyers pre purchase inspection. They run about $100 and I find them well worth the money. I don't know whether Ford does them or not but obvioulsy if you're buying a lease return at the stealership itself and it has a warranty, you can skip this step.
Chevy= Obama 2012
Post by: 383man on June 05, 2011, 08:47:36 PM
:dunno:
Post by: Bofire on June 06, 2011, 08:06:52 AM
Its all out car test from start to finish RUN THE HE&& OUT OF THEM!!!!
Carl
Post by: Woodchuck on June 06, 2011, 08:29:50 AM
Thanks all for your opinions!Call your shop and get a quote for the 100,000 mile tune up ;) I would bet that had something to do with why they have it. If it is the 3 valve engine count on it being more. I consider it a bad omen when they sell a "broken spark plug removal tool" :dunno:
I'm currently considering a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab. The only big downside is the miles, at 90,XXX. It's from a "car lot" vs "dealer" which I'm also always leery of (no particular reason), but seems to be priced about $5k under KBB.
Post by: Alchase on June 06, 2011, 08:41:52 AM
Won't buy Chevy because of the bailout Government Motors!
Oh, Ya? Dodge was bailed out also and they are made in Canada!
So, Ford just opened their new "State of the art" transmission manufacturing plant in CHINA!! Now all those $4k transmitions will speak Chinese when you take out a loan to replace them.
So What Toyota's are hideous looking!
Your Nissan is a piece of crap!!
LMAO :hello:
Post by: dscubame on June 06, 2011, 08:45:01 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 06, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
:)I would never, NEVER, buy a leased or rental fleet car or truck, because I know how I drive rentals!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Its all out car test from start to finish RUN THE HE&& OUT OF THEM!!!!
Carl
I actually didn't know mine was a rental return until AFTER I bought it. The Carfax had all the previous owners listed is how I found out.
Post by: chongo469 on June 06, 2011, 09:10:29 AM
http://www.uaw.org/node/169 (http://www.uaw.org/node/169)
Post by: C-Money on June 06, 2011, 09:45:40 AM
Post by: quadrafire on June 06, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
I really think we need a separate forum for hunting rigs. :twocents::chuckle:
But it provides some good intertainment!
Post by: whacker1 on June 06, 2011, 10:32:08 AM
Thanks all for your opinions!
I'm currently considering a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab. The only big downside is the miles, at 90,XXX. It's from a "car lot" vs "dealer" which I'm also always leery of (no particular reason), but seems to be priced about $5k under KBB.
XD - I have been looking at new 1/2 tons for a few years, but haven't pulled the trigger. I have done a ton of research. I currently drive a 97 F150 with 167k miles on it. So it is getting to be time, but I keep putting it off.
Here is my pro / con on the 2009 version. First what motor is in it? 5.4 or 4.6?
Pro - new 6 speed transmission, which is the reason that I have been looking at 2009 & 2010
con - Jury is still out as to whether there are any issues with it.
Pro - slightly better highway mileage if it is geared correctly reports of 1/2 mile to 3 mile per gallon - should be same in town mileage if you do a lot of stop light driving.
con - Ford played with the rearend gears, so some are geared incorrectly. Most are 3.55's and 3.73's, but some are the 3.30 variety, which I think gets too high for what many of us do with our rigs during huntin season. those higher gears would be great for a 2 wheel drive in California that never leaves the highway, but too high for what I do with mine.
Pro - New body style
Con - pay more for the used 2009 & 2010 vs the 2004-2008 variety
My two cents overall - Chevy's of similar years should do a little better in town mielage and maybe 1 mile per gallon on the highway.
Both Chevy and Ford had weak transmissions in the 1/2 tons pre 2009 editions, however mine is still holding on, but it is not strong.
I have made the decision that if I buy another 1/2 ton that it will be a 2009 or newer F150, unless I find out that the transmissions go sideways. I may drag my current F150 out for another 40k miles though. If I decide to buy a diesel, I will be looking for 2006 Chevy to go pre-emissions and 6 speed alison transmission. But by the time I buy the 2006's will be getting high mileage, so that theory is going by the way side every day.
Post by: jackelope on June 06, 2011, 10:45:56 AM
:chuckle:
I have worked for Chevy dealers, Dodge dealers, and Toyota(very very briefly). I can tell you that they all break. Toyotas definitely break less frequently than the other 2. I can also tell you that the tow trucks are at the Ford dealer just as often as they are here at the Dodge dealer. They all have their weaknesses. Dodge trucks eat up front ends, Chevy transmissions suck, Fords like to eat up EGR's, etc. I'm considering buying a 2005 Ford F150 supercrew as my next rig. I need 4 real doors and don't want to spring for a new Dodge. We've got a really nice used one on the lot here with only 50k miles on it. I'm at 150k miles on my 2002 Silverado. It's a great truck and has been since it had 30k miles when I bought it 5.5 years ago. I have put brakes on it a couple times, shocks all around at about 120k, I put a transmission in it at 130k and that's about it. I'm a spazz about maintenance and as long as you take care of these things, they're all good. There's always vehicles with issues...always...I don't care what brand name and I don't care how good you think they are, plain and simple...everything breaks at one point or another. That's what warrantys are for and that's why technicians do what they do and I do what I do.
p.s. my truck is so much better than yours and my dad could kick you dad's butt.
Post by: quadrafire on June 06, 2011, 12:24:29 PM
Just change this to Your favorite Truck Sucks :chuckle:
p.s. my truck is so much better than yours and my dad could kick you dad's butt.
Post by: xd2005 on June 11, 2011, 08:57:33 PM
Post by: sebek556 on June 11, 2011, 09:25:19 PM
Post by: Bofire on June 12, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
Carl
Post by: swanny on June 12, 2011, 10:44:02 AM
f150 raptor crewcab :drool::yeah: :tup:
Post by: jackelope on June 12, 2011, 01:35:25 PM
:)Someone who is supposed to know :dunno: told me that the 2010 Chev I have with the tow package and 6 speed auto, they said the Ford, Dodge and Toyota Tundra, with the 6 speed all have the same tranny. as my Chev??No.
Carl
Post by: xd2005 on June 12, 2011, 09:00:56 PM
It's $1,445 for 72mo, 75k mile.
Post by: FC on June 13, 2011, 12:10:23 AM
Post by: rtspring on June 13, 2011, 12:33:13 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 13, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
So when I buy the truck and they ask if I want the Extended Service Plan, what answer do I give? :dunno:
It's $1,445 for 72mo, 75k mile.
My guess, at that price, is that it's not a very comprehensive contract coverage wise. Good contracts that cover "everything"(and I use that term loosely) mostly cost more than that.
Just a hunch. I think those contracts are great as long as you know what you're getting(read the fine print) and that the term of it makes sense for what you plan to have/keep/use the truck for...in other words if you're going to buy a 5 year contract and only put 10k miles a year, don't buy a 5 year 100k miles contract. I just used this for an example so not being specific here.
A transmission will cost you $3-4k or more so you can quickly make your money back on them if needed. Simple things like window motors or water pumps are +/- $500.
Post by: Woodchuck on June 13, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 13, 2011, 05:42:11 PM
Just keep this in mind on those service contracts. They only stay in business because they pay out less money than they take in. If you put the same amount of money a month that you would make on your payment for that into a designated savings and keep up on that no car bill would kill you, and in the end if you dont use it, it is still your money not someone else's :twocents:I would not disagree with that at all. They can definitely be like car insurance, you spend a bunch of $$ on it...hopefully you don't ever need it. It is a good insurance policy though. $1450 over the course of 60 months equates to about $24 a month not including interest. $24 a month is a lot easier to swallow than a sudden unexpected $1000 repair bill though, which is I think why they are as popular as they are with a lot of folks. Plus service writers can smack the crap out of the service contract company given the opportunity.
:chuckle:
Post by: Mike450r on June 13, 2011, 06:07:24 PM
Post by: dscubame on June 13, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
Post by: xd2005 on June 13, 2011, 06:28:33 PM
1. I don't want to drain a bunch of my savings. Working for a bank, I know job security doesn't exist so I would rather have my cash now and time to go through it than a paid for truck and no cash to cover life.
2. I'll hopefully get around 3% on my re-finance. I fully expect inflation and rising rates in the future to get the country out of this mess, so I'm expecting that the 3% will become very cheap money in a year or two.
Post by: elkaholic_74 on June 14, 2011, 09:14:18 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 14, 2011, 09:24:34 AM
Post by: MDGrand on June 14, 2011, 09:52:03 AM
You really can not go wrong if you get a new one as most of them have really stepped up to the plate.
Things to keep in mind though...
Dodge.. I have yet to hear of ANY improvements to their transmissions. From my understanding, and hearing from my hunting buddies.. they are great trucks, but the tranys always go at some point and almost always WAY before a Chevy or Ford.
Chevy.. Stepping up MUCH better when it comes to the looks and internal components. Chevy always made a good engine and pretty damn good trany.. they had for years the basics down but I always had friends that would bitch about how the stuff INSIDE the truck fell apart.. i.e. window moldings, vents, etc. It cheapend a solid platform. Today, with a new chevy, I do not think you have anything to worry about. BUT.. they do cost a bit more.
Ford... ALL around for years the best truck. Maybe not as solid of an engine at times than the Chevy, but the inside and fit and finish were better. Today, the newer trucks will go forever and they constantly improve their engines. There is a REASON why they have sold more trucks hands down than the other 2.. If they really were inferior, people would buy one of the other two. Dodge, Chevy fans, say what you want, but the price point has been pretty negligble for years now, yet neither competitor wins the sales war. There is a reason.
Tundra.... good truck. BUT.. more expensive and they seem to want to play in the 1500-2500 arena.. but do not do either of them WAY better than anyone else. I have buddies that are Toyota fans thus their loyalty to getting a Tundra.. and I have to admit, I have not heard any real problems.. but when really put to work and when comparing initial cost.. you can save 5-10K buying the Ford/Chevy/Dodge... that extra 5-10K can go torward a camper, rifle, ATV.. etc.
:twocents: :)
Post by: xd2005 on June 14, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
xd... we're waiting for photos.... :drool:
LOL...so am I. I actually haven't seen the truck itself yet. Should be picking it up tonight. It was a dealer trade so they had to get it yesterday then install running boards and spray in a bed liner today.
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 14, 2011, 02:10:10 PM
xd... we're waiting for photos.... :drool:
LOL...so am I. I actually haven't seen the truck itself yet. Should be picking it up tonight. It was a dealer trade so they had to get it yesterday then install running boards and spray in a bed liner today.
I hope it doesn't look something like this! LOL!
Post by: xd2005 on June 14, 2011, 02:15:13 PM
I hope it doesn't look something like this! LOL!
Oh it's ok...I got running boards :chuckle:
Turns out I have to wait another day. Apparently they had difficulty in getting it from the other dealership so they were late with putting on the running boards and getting the bed liner done. Another day of waiting it is...
Post by: Mookie on June 14, 2011, 09:04:02 PM
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The only thing that kinda got under my skin is the dealer wrote up the loan at 4.99% vs. the promo 4.9%...but it's only 9 bps and I'm planning to refinance anyways (just did the financing with them for the additional $1k). That said, they originally wrote it up for 5.875% and said that's the lowest rate available (60 month). I knew I'd seen 4.9% and I knew I qualified for the best rate so I pushed her on it and she finally "went to check" with someone else and came back and said I was right, but it was 4.99%. I figured I had simply seen it wrong or confused it with another manufacturer or something so I gave her the benefit of the doubt. Got home and checked and sure enough 4.9%. Since this was their second "goof" (first one was the person sending me a quote that doubled the $3,000 rebate. Manager quoted after the rebate, she thought he quoted before the rebate. So she had a bit of egg on her face and knew my trust level with them was low). Tried to get free all-weather mats out of it but no luck :chuckle:
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