Truck buying

[383man]

As a stockholder I beg to differ.  My Ford stock is worth many times that of GM.  They didn't get to be #1 in the US auto biz by building crap, period.

as a stockholder, you would be wrong with your assumptions. right now, even after the bailout, GM stock is at 29 dollars a share, ford stock is at 14, GM has always outperformed Ford in the stock market, do you just make this stuff up? look at etrade and confirm it. they are not #1 in the u.s., they sell the most F-150's, GM has always been the #1 auto maker in the u.s., until the last few years, when Toyota surpassed them, ford is still lower than both. quit making up facts man. but on a lighter note, any brand is gonna have a great truck, and whatever you pick will work great for you, to each his own...

[ribka]

Here we go again with Obama Motors  luver

GM stock just cost the US taxpayers 14 BILLIONS dollars!!!!!!. That is money out of MY pocket.
Plus GM products are sub standard in quality. Every GM fleet car in last 20 years we have had has had major mechanical malfunctions under 50 K. SOme under 20 K. Built and runs like a rock

I do not want to drive a rock  I want to drive a dependable truck like a Toyota or Ford.
My Toyotas go 200 k before I worry about any problems besides tires and oil changes. Same with Honda cars I have owned

So I have to support lazy UAW workers who show up to work drunk and stoned and build a crappy vehicle. I am going to trust my family's safety in that vehicle?

I have to pay for UAW 's free health care for life while I pay over $500 a month for my health care? And if purchase a GM product Part of the proceeds go to re elect DEMS like Patty Murray? Screw that!

No brainer. Why would I put more money in Obama's pockets?? He is screwing up our once great country


Obama’s Vote Buying Cost Taxpayers A Bundle
Posted on June 3, 2011 by Conservatives on Fire 15

Remember Obama’s bail out of General Motors and Chrysler? Of course you do. How could anyone possibly forget? The news media and Obama himself have declared the bail out a great success. Well, it was a great success for Obama and the Democrats but not so great for the taxpayers. Our President likes to refer to the bail out as a “government bail out”. As if the government used its own money. The government doesn’t have its own money. What the government has is your money, which they dearly love to spend. And they don’t even ask your permission. So, was the bail out a resounding success as Obama and the media say? Maybe it wasn’t all that great. Michael Whipple, writing for the Canada Free Press, has a somewhat different opinion. this is an article that is worth your time to read. Here are a few excerpts:
So even though all the media hype is pushing Obama’s mantra of what a great thing it was to destroy the constitution in taking over the auto industry, the US is still short $14 billion. Obama says “it helped save jobs, rescue an industry at the heart of America’s manufacturing sector and position it to be more competitive in the future.” according to the Washington Post. Geithner said ““We cannot guarantee their success, and at some point they may stumble. But we’ve given them a better shot,”.
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A UAW-controlled auto retiree health care fund was owed $20 billion by GM before the bailout.
Under the White House-dictated terms, UAW-appointed fund managers got back half of what they were owed in cash, whereas taxpayers who were owed $19.4 billion didn’t get a dime back in cash.
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It should be noted that the UAW is one of the most politically active of all unions. The union gave $2,119.937 to the 2008 campaigns 99% of which went to Obama and the Democrats. They gave another $1,106,500 in this past 2010 election cycle 100% of which went to Democrats. That is a total of $3,226,437 in just the last two election cycles. That does not include the phone banks, neighborhood canvassing and get out the vote efforts. Since 1990 the UAW has donated $26,510,252 of which 99% went to Democrats.
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The real bailout was the union money laundering scheme that keeps union dollars flowing into Democrat campaign coffers. That is the Chicago way of redistributing the wealth. Taking from the unsuspecting taxpayer to give to the union campaign supporters.
And on top of all of that:
The government is subsidizing purchases of the GM Volt to the tune of $7,500 each. By the way that $7,500 is being supplied by you the taxpayer and is not being considered in the overall loss figures on the GM union payoff scam.
Wow! The taxpayers got a real bargain, didn’t they? Right! You are $14 billion in the hole, but gee, just think of all the votes that Obama bought for himself and other Democrats. They are taking real good care of you, don’t you think?
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[Bean Counter]

I like them all, but overall, I would say I am a chevy guy.  I love the looks, and driving it is like driving in a lazy boy compared to all the fords I have drivin.  If it were me, I would go chevy or toyota.

I can't argue with this. Chevy trucks seem to be a lot smoother off road than Ford's in my experience. Also, the asthetics of the Chevy interior seem to best the Ford.

[Bean Counter]

That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.

I believe this is a lease return actually. I can definitely "do better" as far as miles goes, but it would probably be hard to not pay significantly more for fewer miles (this is lower value already due to miles, and is listed well below KBB). 

I'm not necessarily sold on the vehicle yet, but there are some mitigates to the high mileage, such as the fact that it's probably a lot of freeway driving in order to get that many miles on it that fast.

One other thing about Toyota stealerships is a buyers pre purchase inspection. They run about $100 and I find them well worth the money. I don't know whether Ford does them or not but obvioulsy if you're buying a lease return at the stealership itself and it has a warranty, you can skip this step.

[383man]

well ribka, I can tell you I deeply want to get into yet another heated battle on this topic, no sarcasm, i love it. but lets not trash this guys thread whos just trying to get solid information on a good truck, if you would like to continue this conversation, p.m. me, or start up again on the ford vs. chevy thread we were hashing it out on last time. I started it too, so i'll finish it, sorry OP.

[ribka]

That's a lot of miles for an '09. I, myself would keep looking. Don't know where you're from, but you can do better. Look into lease returns. My last 2 Ford F150's have returns. Still under warranty too. Dealers go to auctions and get these trucks everyday.

I believe this is a lease return actually. I can definitely "do better" as far as miles goes, but it would probably be hard to not pay significantly more for fewer miles (this is lower value already due to miles, and is listed well below KBB). 

I'm not necessarily sold on the vehicle yet, but there are some mitigates to the high mileage, such as the fact that it's probably a lot of freeway driving in order to get that many miles on it that fast.

One other thing about Toyota stealerships is a buyers pre purchase inspection. They run about $100 and I find them well worth the money. I don't know whether Ford does them or not but obvioulsy if you're buying a lease return at the stealership itself and it has a warranty, you can skip this step.

Chevy= Obama 2012

[383man]

ribka= 

 

[Bofire]

 :)I would never, NEVER, buy a leased or rental fleet car or truck, because I know how I drive rentals!!!!
Its all out car test from start to finish RUN THE HE&& OUT OF THEM!!!!
Carl

[Woodchuck]

Thanks all for your opinions!

I'm currently considering a 2009 Ford F-150 XLT Supercab. The only big downside is the miles, at 90,XXX. It's from a "car lot" vs "dealer" which I'm also always leery of (no particular reason), but seems to be priced about $5k under KBB.

Call your shop and get a quote for the 100,000 mile tune up  I would bet that had something to do with why they have it. If it is the 3 valve engine count on it being more. I consider it a bad omen when they sell a "broken spark plug removal tool" 

[Alchase]

I love these threads, they always boil down to this,
Won't buy Chevy because of the bailout Government Motors!
Oh, Ya? Dodge was bailed out also and they are made in Canada!
So, Ford just opened their new "State of the art" transmission manufacturing plant in CHINA!! Now all those $4k transmitions will speak Chinese when you take out a loan to replace them.
So What Toyota's are hideous looking!
Your Nissan is a piece of crap!!
 
LMAO
 
 

[dscubame]

Could have considered this jewel coming from India but it looks like it may have been a pipe dream.  Or how about the volkswagen, its a one ton. 

[CAMPMEAT]

:)I would never, NEVER, buy a leased or rental fleet car or truck, because I know how I drive rentals!!!!
Its all out car test from start to finish RUN THE HE&& OUT OF THEM!!!!
Carl

I actually didn't know mine was a rental return until AFTER I bought it. The Carfax had all the previous owners listed is how I found out.

[chongo469]

Ribka.....I see you slamming the UAW in your previous post....You do know the UAW affects Ford to right? So those same lazy, drunk, stoned, auto workers you are talking about are working on your precious Ford also.....

http://www.uaw.org/node/169

[C-Money]

I have a 04 Ford F-350 and a 08 Toyota Tundra. They work great. Had to replace the front Calipers, rotor, and pads on the Ford. I would recommend either. The reason we have the Tundra is because our 01 Suburban began having electrical issues that continued to spread over a week and was gonna be HUGE $$ to repair. So we went (limped) the Suburban to Parker Toyota and got our Tundra. It is a great truck!

[quadrafire]

I really think we need a separate forum for hunting rigs. 

But it provides some good intertainment!