Post by: hntr on June 17, 2011, 10:33:28 AM
I am new to the forum, and have enjoyed lurking for some time.
I am considering a purchase of a White River Hancock Permit, but wonder if it is worth the money, time or effort to hunt in that area for deer ( or elk, or...).
Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks
Post by: arrowflinger on June 17, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
Post by: cem3434 on June 17, 2011, 12:44:22 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 17, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
I am considering a purchase of a White River Hancock Permit, but wonder if it is worth the money, time or effort to hunt in that area for deer ( or elk, or...).
Well you are out of luck for this year. I believe they sold out in mid February or early March. They usually start selling around December 1. For the White River Farm there is a small portion of GMU 454 which is open for elk, but the majority of the farm is the White River GMU which is permit only. As far as deer goes I would probably pass on the permit if that's all your going for. There is usually a pretty healthy bear population in there though.
I see you are in Renton. If I were you I would go for the Snoqualmie Tree Farm permit (also Hancock and the same cost as White River) near North Bend. Very healthy deer and bear population and the elk numbers are on the upswing in the area and you can hunt all three species during the general season.
Post by: cjensen on September 27, 2011, 05:57:31 PM
Post by: link on September 27, 2011, 06:21:48 PM
Post by: cjensen on September 27, 2011, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 27, 2011, 10:09:36 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on September 28, 2011, 08:11:11 AM
The area gets a lot of pressure and not really a lot of animals. I am not a local but a good friend of mine is, he says the Mucks kill a lot and lots of locals shining deer and elk up there... I wouldn't walk in, there will be a bunch of guys driving around which to me would be a frustrating experience.
Post by: notellumcreek on September 28, 2011, 08:58:28 AM
Post by: 7mag. on September 28, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
Post by: hawksfan75 on September 28, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 28, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
Despite my best efforts, I have yet to find a website with any information about these permits. Do you guys have any that they send out with the permits? In the absence of a website, is there somewhere I can pick up some brochures or other information?
There is no website.
If you go to Work Sports in Enumclaw they will have a brochure. You can also have them mailed to you 1-800-782-1493 and leave a message telling them which tree farm info you want.
Post by: rjn cajun on September 30, 2011, 08:27:24 PM
Post by: sako85 on October 02, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
Post by: liljozie495 on October 03, 2011, 09:46:33 PM
Post by: bigtex on October 08, 2011, 09:47:58 AM
How many tree farms Hancock operates with these passes?
From what I know:
White River
Snoqualmie
Kapowsin
Eatonville
They are in King and Pierce Counties
There may be some others...
Post by: Arteman on October 08, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Post by: bigtex on October 08, 2011, 10:46:07 AM
I don't know anything about the area but my older brother has a buddy who's son drew a bull permit for that White River area this year, funny thing is that they haven't even gone up to scout at all, my brother is going with them so I asked him if they bought the permit and he said no and that they won't need it. Like I said, I don't know the place but I think they are fools for not getting one. Probably should have posted this in the Elk hunting thread but i was just talking to him about permit subject the other day.
HEAVILY patrolled by Hancock Security, WDFW Enforcement and USFS Law Enforcement.
Post by: bigtex on October 09, 2011, 04:09:34 PM
How many tree farms Hancock operates with these passes?
From what I know:
White River
Snoqualmie
Kapowsin
Eatonville
They are in King and Pierce Counties
There may be some others...
Where can I find more information on each tree farm? What GMU? Number of licenses? Etc.
Research on here.
There is no website. Hancock will mail you info about the individual farm you want info on, but doesn't really go into hunting info with the exception of basically saying you can hunt. Hancock 1-800-782-1493
Post by: Gundy on October 09, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
1) It is NOT heavily patrolled. There is only one watchman and 3 different access gates. I cant even count the hours ive put in up there this year and I have yet to see ANY type of patrol.The person who said it was heavily patrolled is wrong. Period.
2) There are PLENTY of deer in there. I have gotten a deer out of there every year i have hunted and so have all of my friends that buy the permit.
3) There is still quite a bit of area to hunt elk and the elk pop is solid. The Mucks have affected it but they dont put any effort into it so....
Its a great permit with thousands and thousands of acres at your disposal. Anyone who says otherwise, to be frank, dont know what the hell theyre talking about.
Post by: bigtex on October 09, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
1) It is NOT heavily patrolled. There is only one watchman and 3 different access gates. I cant even count the hours ive put in up there this year and I have yet to see ANY type of patrol.The person who said it was heavily patrolled is wrong. Period.
Gundy,
You have had 9 posts on here. I will give you some slack, you will soon learn who I am and what I do from the other posts. Several state and federal law enforcement agencies do patrol the White River Tree Farm, in fact WDFW is required to patrol a certain amount of hours in order to get extra funding from Hancock. The local USFS Officer also patrols that area. The requirement from Hancock for WDFW to patrol those lands should give you some idea that there is some "extra" patrolling going on then your typical public land area. You are correct Hancock only has one security guard per tree farm. However as I have said, state and federal law enforcement agencies do patrol the area. Just because you haven't run into LE doesn't mean they aren't there. I know some people that hunt Hancock lands and run into WDFW almost daily, others almost never see them. If you don't see them it doesn't mean they are not there.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on October 09, 2011, 04:54:35 PM
Post by: Gundy on October 09, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
1) It is NOT heavily patrolled. There is only one watchman and 3 different access gates. I cant even count the hours ive put in up there this year and I have yet to see ANY type of patrol.The person who said it was heavily patrolled is wrong. Period.
Gundy,
You have had 9 posts on here. I will give you some slack, you will soon learn who I am and what I do from the other posts. Several state and federal law enforcement agencies do patrol the White River Tree Farm, in fact WDFW is required to patrol a certain amount of hours in order to get extra funding from Hancock. The local USFS Officer also patrols that area. The requirement from Hancock for WDFW to patrol those lands should give you some idea that there is some "extra" patrolling going on then your typical public land area. You are correct Hancock only has one security guard per tree farm. However as I have said, state and federal law enforcement agencies do patrol the area. Just because you haven't run into LE doesn't mean they aren't there. I know some people that hunt Hancock lands and run into WDFW almost daily, others almost never see them. If you don't see them it doesn't mean they are not there.
I dont give 2 *censored*s how many posts I have had. I am up there on almost a daily basis and have yet to see any patrol people this year. In all my years up there I have seen the Hancock patrol maybe 3 times, WDFW once and NEVER seen USFS. Thats all I can go on while telling another fellow about the area. Im fairly certain you dont have the permit and are basing your facts on heresay. If im wrong about that, then so be it. I WISH they would patrol it more to be honest.
Post by: lewy on October 09, 2011, 05:14:52 PM
Post by: sisu on October 09, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
Lets keep it civilized.
Post by: link on October 09, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
I don't know anything about the area but my older brother has a buddy who's son drew a bull permit for that White River area this year, funny thing is that they haven't even gone up to scout at all, my brother is going with them so I asked him if they bought the permit and he said no and that they won't need it. Like I said, I don't know the place but I think they are fools for not getting one. Probably should have posted this in the Elk hunting thread but i was just talking to him about permit subject the other day.
HEAVILY patrolled by Hancock Security, WDFW Enforcement and USFS Law Enforcement.
This is the post that started the whole "security" issue? This guy said "no he didn't buy a permit and they won't need it". Who just assumed he was talking about hunting on Hancock property without buying a permit? Hell, he's probably headed up to Crystal mtn. or Huckelberry, or one of a dozen other spots in the White River unit not owned by Hancock.
Post by: bigtex on October 09, 2011, 06:17:12 PM
I don't know anything about the area but my older brother has a buddy who's son drew a bull permit for that White River area this year, funny thing is that they haven't even gone up to scout at all, my brother is going with them so I asked him if they bought the permit and he said no and that they won't need it. Like I said, I don't know the place but I think they are fools for not getting one. Probably should have posted this in the Elk hunting thread but i was just talking to him about permit subject the other day.
HEAVILY patrolled by Hancock Security, WDFW Enforcement and USFS Law Enforcement.
This is the post that started the whole "security" issue? This guy said "no he didn't buy a permit and they won't need it". Who just assumed he was talking about hunting on Hancock property without buying a permit? Hell, he's probably headed up to Crystal mtn. or Huckelberry, or one of a dozen other spots in the White River unit not owned by Hancock.
This thread is about the Tree Farm, not the White River GMU...
Post by: Buckhunter24 on October 09, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
Post by: jordanwlee on August 01, 2013, 09:58:57 PM
Post by: muzbuster on August 02, 2013, 06:27:09 AM
https://hancockrecreationnw.com/white-river/about/about-white-river
Post by: trophyhunt on August 02, 2013, 06:45:56 AM
Post by: westside bull on August 02, 2013, 01:45:25 PM
I'm almost 100% sure but I thought they change the rules on walking/biking in on their lands now! I'm pretty sure you have to have a permit just to be on the hancock properties even in the white river unit. They do not own all the unit, there is plenty of areas out side their boundary, I think the best area's are out side their property.White river hancock you can buy walk in day pass's. Ton's of land to hunt bear on beside's hancock timberlands its a big unit!
Post by: grousegetter on August 24, 2013, 02:11:09 PM
Here is the website for the recreation passes. You can buy them here and they mail you a packet with everything you need.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on August 26, 2013, 10:19:11 AM
Can you walk or bike into Hancock within 454 without the permit? I know some areas you can and some you cant? :dunno:no there is foot pass permits and also vehicle permits, at least for greenwater area.