Post by: adamR on June 19, 2011, 08:23:26 PM
I guess it just sucks knowing that I'm already putting in my scouting hours while someone from the other side is going to be told exactly where to go and get lucky on some bull that they don't really deserve.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on June 19, 2011, 08:29:18 PM
Post by: Armadillo on June 19, 2011, 08:33:38 PM
Post by: predatorpro on June 19, 2011, 08:35:06 PM
Post by: bearmanric on June 19, 2011, 08:35:29 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 19, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: Raul Duke on June 19, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
There is a introduction tread, and a search option. SKIP ALL THAT> I JUST DREW A TAG AND WHO CAN HELP ME. seems to be the way to do things. I LIVE ON THE WESTSIDE< & DREW A TAG ON THE EASTSIDE. I DON"T HAVE TIME TO SCOUT> JUST "HELP ME OUT"
HW has a great community, but get out there and put in the work.
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2011, 08:44:01 PM
If you want to send photos or videos that would even be better because then I can sit in my armchair while watching TV and decide which one I should go shoot. When I get it down, I'll call you to help me pack it out. I may give you a few bucks for your time. Thanks dude.
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on June 19, 2011, 08:46:54 PM
Post by: adamR on June 19, 2011, 08:47:42 PM
Post by: rtspring on June 19, 2011, 08:48:30 PM
I thought we were all hunters and we love the same sport? I was taught to help other because you know what? You yourself might need a helping hand.
I started the PEACHES RIDGE BULL TAG topic long ago and caught hell from alot of folks, some PM"S that if the dude was standing in front of me it would of gotten ugly. Have we really come this far in hunting that we won't help anyone except those that we know like family? There are 120 tags for this area. Are all 120 going to get shot, I bet a whole hell of alot that the answer is no. So that means there is still some to be hunted.
So you stop to maybe help a guy with a flat, DO YOU ASK HIM HOW MANY POSTS HE HAS ON FLATTIRES.COM I would hope not...
Not trying to start a war here but I'm a little upset that this is what the sport I love has come to be....
and to say someone don't deserve a bull? are you kidding me? So now you have to scout a 100 miles and spend 500.00 on trail cams, haull in 5 tons of salt and wear out two pair of hiking boots... in order to justify you shooting a bull????
by the way one of the people I am helping has 2500 posts and some have 5 dont matter to me, but guess I was raised different than some....
I hope you get your bull, good luck..........
Post by: 6x6in6 on June 19, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 19, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 19, 2011, 08:50:50 PM
Adam, I drew a tag in that unit. I didn't do any research before I applied, and I'm too lazy to scout. I just want to go shoot a big bull without a lot of hassle - got it? When you're out scouting, make note of where the bulls are and PM me the GPS coordinates of each (if you can include a score, all the better cuz' I'm not that good and I want a MONSTER.):chuckle: :chuckle: :yeah:
If you want to send photos or videos that would even be better because then I can sit in my armchair while watching TV and decide which one I should go shoot. When I get it down, I'll call you to help me pack it out. I may give you a few bucks for your time. Thanks dude.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 19, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2011, 08:53:31 PM
Also, people need to use common sense when giving information on specific areas to hunt. You may not want to do it on the open forum; instead, do it through private messages. That way the whole world will not see it. And think about it, anything you post on here will be available to anyone and everyone on the internet, FOREVER. Try a Google search and you'll be amazed at how many hunting-washington threads come up in the results.
I also do not care in the least if they post in the Introduction thread first. Honestly, I have to say I never read that thread anymore. If someone wants to make a post and tell about themselves, fine. If not, I understand.
Post by: adamR on June 19, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
You ever heard of the term sportsmanship, brotherhood, friendship, helping hand??? Sure there are a few on here that pop in get info and never come back, oh well that society. To many people in this world got their head stuck up there ass and its all about me me me me me. Over what a set of antlers? Cry me a river!
I thought we were all hunters and we love the same sport? I was taught to help other because you know what? You yourself might need a helping hand.
I started the PEACHES RIDGE BULL TAG topic long ago and caught hell from alot of folks, some PM"S that if the dude was standing in front of me it would of gotten ugly. Have we really come this far in hunting that we won't help anyone except those that we know like family? There are 120 tags for this area. Are all 120 going to get shot, I bet a whole hell of alot that the answer is no. So that means there is still some to be hunted.
So you stop to maybe help a guy with a flat, DO YOU ASK HIM HOW MANY POSTS HE HAS ON FLATTIRES.COM I would hope not...
Not trying to start a war here but I'm a little upset that this is what the sport I love has come to be....
and to say someone don't deserve a bull? are you kidding me? So now you have to scout a 100 miles and spend 500.00 on trail cams, haull in 5 tons of salt and wear out two pair of hiking boots... in order to justify you shooting a bull????
by the way one of the people I am helping has 2500 posts and some have 5 dont matter to me, but guess I was raised different than some....
I hope you get your bull, good luck..........
"its all about me, me, me, me" hmmmmm seems to me coming to a site and asking about help for me, and not helping someone else (which is what I am complaining about) is pretty much what you were just bitching about in your response, thats wierd?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 19, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
Post by: predatorpro on June 19, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on June 19, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
I love these threads. :chuckle:
I was thinking the same thing... :)
I think people in society today are used to social networking and the acquiring of knowledge very quickly. If somebody draws a tag, they want to know everything right now. Not many people will put in the work anymore.
There are a lot of people asking for info with their first post. It is funny to me.
Good site, this is... Knowledgeable, I am...
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 19, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
Post by: adamR on June 19, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
there are a few areas i put in for that i dont know i wont lie lol but those are for things like moose, my deer and elk units i put in for i know pretty well tho, it can be pretty hard to not put in for a great area tho even if you dont know it
I understand that, i don't know the entiat but someday I would like to get drawn for it. However, I think you should contribute and help someone else with info on a unit or simply insert your opinion a couple times... and If you don't have the time for that GET OUT AND SCOUT YOURSELF!!!
Post by: Instinct on June 19, 2011, 09:12:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 19, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
Personally I don't think it matters one bit if someone signs up and the same day asks for information on an area. What makes a difference to me is how they ask the question, and if it's done in a respectful way. Then if they follow up and respond to the feedback they do get. Some people you never even hear from again after one or two posts.
Also, people need to use common sense when giving information on specific areas to hunt. You may not want to do it on the open forum; instead, do it through private messages. That way the whole world will not see it. And think about it, anything you post on here will be available to anyone and everyone on the internet, FOREVER. Try a Google search and you'll be amazed at how many hunting-washington threads come up in the results.
Agree with bobcat 100% share with them if you want if not just skip it. I love to help people out and will always help if I can. The only thing I hate is giving info on here and then never hearing anything on the site. They just go blank, never to come back again. This year has a ton of new members poping up with questions. For the oil tags no problem sharing anything I know, not like i am going to draw one in my life :chuckle: for deer and elk people just get general info.
PM'S are very nice!!! Keeps some things from everyone and guest from reading stuff without contributing to the site.
Post by: 50CalJim on June 19, 2011, 09:18:43 PM
Well theres advice then theres advice. If I were to give out advice to someone who has very few posts it would be broad and pretty much tell them to scout the area. But if it were a season veteran then I would be more specific. Its amazing how many people put in for these tags and no clue about the area they drew. I have been in units in September and had guys driving around actually learning the unit and gave them some ideas on maps. Everyone wants a big deer, elk, etc but putting in the effort makes it all the more rewarding.Hey Sky I think I would be considered a "Seasoned Veteren". :rolleyes: So since I drew the Alta Muzzy tag can i have all your Honey holes,GPS coordinates,Etc... Thanks in advance. :sas:
Post by: 6x6in6 on June 19, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
EXACTLY!!!!Personally I don't think it matters one bit if someone signs up and the same day asks for information on an area. What makes a difference to me is how they ask the question, and if it's done in a respectful way. Then if they follow up and respond to the feedback they do get. Some people you never even hear from again after one or two posts.
Also, people need to use common sense when giving information on specific areas to hunt. You may not want to do it on the open forum; instead, do it through private messages. That way the whole world will not see it. And think about it, anything you post on here will be available to anyone and everyone on the internet, FOREVER. Try a Google search and you'll be amazed at how many hunting-washington threads come up in the results.
Agree with bobcat 100% share with them if you want if not just skip it. I love to help people out and will always help if I can. The only thing I hate is giving info on here and then never hearing anything on the site. They just go blank, never to come back again. This year has a ton of new members poping up with questions. For the oil tags no problem sharing anything I know, not like i am going to draw one in my life :chuckle: for deer and elk people just get general info.
PM'S are very nice!!! Keeps some things from everyone and guest from reading stuff without contributing to the site.
Post count don't mean squat to me. Ya feel like sharing, share. You don't, then don't.
I'll openly share info on areas I used to hunt and do not anymore. I'll share info on places that I might or currently hunt via PM.
Post by: Bean Counter on June 19, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Adam, I drew a tag in that unit. I didn't do any research before I applied, and I'm too lazy to scout. I just want to go shoot a big bull without a lot of hassle - got it? When you're out scouting, make note of where the bulls are and PM me the GPS coordinates of each (if you can include a score, all the better cuz' I'm not that good and I want a MONSTER.)
If you want to send photos or videos that would even be better because then I can sit in my armchair while watching TV and decide which one I should go shoot. When I get it down, I'll call you to help me pack it out. I may give you a few bucks for your time. Thanks dude.
I didn't ask for much more than that--only that you spray paint the animals antlers so I'm sure I"m killing the right one. Or you could slap a target on its ass. :chuckle:
:stup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 19, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Adam, I drew a tag in that unit. I didn't do any research before I applied, and I'm too lazy to scout. I just want to go shoot a big bull without a lot of hassle - got it? When you're out scouting, make note of where the bulls are and PM me the GPS coordinates of each (if you can include a score, all the better cuz' I'm not that good and I want a MONSTER.)
If you want to send photos or videos that would even be better because then I can sit in my armchair while watching TV and decide which one I should go shoot. When I get it down, I'll call you to help me pack it out. I may give you a few bucks for your time. Thanks dude.
I didn't ask for much more than that--only that you spray paint the animals antlers so I'm sure I"m killing the right one. Or you could slap a target on its ass. :chuckle:
:stup:
Now we know what bean counter has been doing wrong :chuckle: Your shooting at the wrong end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bean Counter on June 19, 2011, 09:31:38 PM
I know I'm new to the site but I haven't asked for alot of advice because I've looked around and seen that it is common courtesy to have a few posts before something like that is done. However, I'm noticing that since the permits came out there are alot of new comers that don't care. Particularly in an area real close to my home where I also got drawn. Why are we giving advice to someone with less than 20 posts and wants to know exactly where to find there bull?
I guess it just sucks knowing that I'm already putting in my scouting hours while someone from the other side is going to be told exactly where to go and get lucky on some bull that they don't really deserve.
There are a lot of people replying here who say that its fine and dandy to share info, but then lament when the person doesn't show up again.... Well what do you think the point of a post count is? It shows someones commitment to sticking around!
If I were a mod I'd find the best one of these threads and make it a sticky... and then put a note in the new registration page regarding forum etiquette... :twocents:
Post by: HUNT on June 19, 2011, 09:37:08 PM
So how many post do you have to have before you get any help? The whole reason I joined this site was because I drew a bull permit in 09 and someone told me to check out this site because it has some good guys with good info. I think the majority of guys that post needing help with tags come back and help other members out. I know if someone on this site helps me out I remember it and try to help them later if I can.
Same for me D-Rock I joined in 2009 after I drew a bull permit. Some guys were kinda smart asses about things at first, but I waded through it and met some great guys. I try to help guys out when I can and even hunted with one.
Nothing wrong with asking for a little help as long as they help themselves.
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2011, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
I havent laughed this hard in a long time.Adam, I drew a tag in that unit. I didn't do any research before I applied, and I'm too lazy to scout. I just want to go shoot a big bull without a lot of hassle - got it? When you're out scouting, make note of where the bulls are and PM me the GPS coordinates of each (if you can include a score, all the better cuz' I'm not that good and I want a MONSTER.)
If you want to send photos or videos that would even be better because then I can sit in my armchair while watching TV and decide which one I should go shoot. When I get it down, I'll call you to help me pack it out. I may give you a few bucks for your time. Thanks dude.
I didn't ask for much more than that--only that you spray paint the animals antlers so I'm sure I"m killing the right one. Or you could slap a target on its ass. :chuckle:
:stup:
Now we know what bean counter has been doing wrong :chuckle: Your shooting at the wrong end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: one more on June 19, 2011, 09:46:53 PM
Some people are shy in person, but can ask for info here easily.
Not everyone wants to advertise on the board that they can't hike in several miles, or haul out the heavy meat those same several miles. Maybe when people ask for info and help they are really asking for hunting partners --- big, strong partners.
Or maybe they just need a little "local knowledge".
Everyone starts from "scratch".
Diane
Post by: sebek556 on June 19, 2011, 10:31:47 PM
My point is if you want to help then help, some people may have very good reasons for not being able to scout.
If you dont wanna help then dont. simple huh?
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 19, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
Post by: Winchester670 on June 19, 2011, 11:49:51 PM
I joined this site back in 09 because it was my first year hunting and i had no idea what i was doing i got a lot of great tips and a lot of not so great ones. I see nothing wrong with helping someone, you might have forgotten this but those animals dont have your name on it, they belong to the citizens of washington and we all have an equal right to hunt them. So as stated before if you dont want to help dont.
Post by: NWBREW on June 20, 2011, 12:10:19 AM
This year seems to be worst. Look how many Guest are reading those post. Rick
That is a fact. The advise you put on here will be read by hundreds of people....not just the one asking for it. I don't mind someone asking but it will be very general in my response. Not all hunters are the same.....there are some very sloppy people that buy tags and call themselves hunters that I would not want to be associated with. You want help...you gotta earn my trust. Don't get me wrong.....I will help, just not everyone that asks. just my :twocents:
Post by: C-Money on June 20, 2011, 12:32:01 AM
Post by: huntnnw on June 20, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
Post by: RadSav on June 20, 2011, 01:48:20 AM
"Horse Pucky" as Colonel Potter used to say. If you are giving information on a post it's available for everyone to read regardless of how many posts they have been involved with. Hell, I wasn't even a member when I stumbled upon a post that gave me some helpful insight. That's the reason I joined.
Perhaps there should be a rule stating you must have killed over 25 elk before you can thik about giving advise. Maybe 50 deer. Maybe a liberal education should be required!!! Perhaps proof you didn't vote for Obama. Number of posts??? Ridiculous.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 20, 2011, 02:40:32 AM
Asking for tips or advice on this forum is no different than calling the Bio, Wildlife "Officer" as long as it is not the week before season, I see nothing wrong with doing a little research.
That is how I found this forum, at the time I was visiting 6 or 7 of them, this is the only one I still check in on regularly... :twocents:
Besides, when you have under 100 posts yourself, what are you complaining about ?
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when you are up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
Post by: PA BEN on June 20, 2011, 03:37:28 AM
So how many post do you have to have before you get any help? The whole reason I joined this site was because I drew a bull permit in 09 and someone told me to check out this site because it has some good guys with good info. I think the majority of guys that post needing help with tags come back and help other members out. I know if someone on this site helps me out I remember it and try to help them later if I can.Same here I drew my '08 moose tag and someone told me about this web site. I joined and started looking at 49 moose threads. My first post was in someone else's moose thread. I did start my own moose thread. Lots of fun and good people, what a ride to have that tag. I've helped and been helped by some good people on here. Fun site I love to hunt and fish and talk to people who do. BTW, newbee's don't bother me, I don't see what the big deal is. They will eather stay or go away. Hell you don't even need to be a member to read the info posted on here. This State is to big to scout and then apply for a tag, I do the apply hope to draw then scout.
Here's my cow tag thread and a guy w/4 posts dropped a good dime on me You guys keep this stuff up and there won't be any new guys.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,77905.msg959473.html#new (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,77905.msg959473.html#new)
Post by: RadSav on June 20, 2011, 04:01:47 AM
Post by: zackmioli on June 20, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
But it really gets old reading all the negative feedback these new members get right from the start.all that negative feedback they get right away might be THE reason or a contributing factor to why they are never heard from again. cant really say i blame some of them either, come to a new place and asking for some advice to just get bashed and made fun of right away....doesnt really put out the warm welcome mat that this community should keep at its front door.
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Post by: rasbo on June 20, 2011, 04:26:34 AM
Post by: Geno on June 20, 2011, 05:29:15 AM
Post by: adamR on June 20, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
As far as oil tags, obviously those are different because there are so few of them per year and such an awesome tag that why not help them. When you do help them you aren't really affecting someone else's hunt because there aren't that many hunters and plently of animals.
And for calling me out because I have less than 100 posts and I'm complaining about it. As I said, I know I'm new and don't have alot of posts but I also haven't asked for much advice, I think it's slightly disrespectful to those of you with so many points for me to rush in here and ask you everything I can.
I'm also all for helping out kids, Youngbuckhunter and I have been talking alot of his alkali hunt. I'm not completely against helping someone.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 07:04:36 AM
Post by: Raul Duke on June 20, 2011, 07:14:41 AM
So now you have to scout a 100 miles and spend 500.00 on trail cams, haull in 5 tons of salt and wear out two pair of hiking boots... in order to justify you shooting a bull????
Not at all. Just come on a local hunting website, and ask to be a charity case. If you drew a big tag. Everyone else is entitled to help you fill it.
Other wise its just hunting.
Post by: CedarPants on June 20, 2011, 07:17:06 AM
Advancements in technology have created great scouting opportunities in the form of these hunting forums. Back in my granddad's day if you wanted advice you went down to the local diner and spent time talking with the locals. You weren't chastised for asking for pointers, as this was part of hunting. It was a community, people united and shared info and stories and had a good time doing it.
Now, the 'local diner' has evolved into chat forums. There is nothing wrong with that. If someone walked into a diner back in the day asking for pointers, the person that refused to share friendly info was the one that was seen as disrespectful - not the person asking the questions. Nothing is different here in the forum. This is where people come to talk hunting. To share stories. To share info. To make friends. To carry on our traditions and to unite as a community. If you don't want to be a part of that and are more interested in tearing people apart because of the number of posts they do or don't have, then go find someplace else to vent your frustrations.
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2011, 07:33:21 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 20, 2011, 07:37:24 AM
I am flying in to Washington in October. I haven't scouted at all. Can someone tell me where I could shoot a mature muley? I prefer 160" plus. Thanks.
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Woodland Park Zoo, Oh, and don't forget your Discovery Pass if needed..... :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2011, 07:38:57 AM
I am flying in to Washington in October. I haven't scouted at all. Can someone tell me where I could shoot a mature muley? I prefer 160" plus. Thanks.
Woodland Park Zoo, Oh, and don't forget your Discovery Pass if needed..... :chuckle:
:chuckle: Thanks! I'm not very good with directions...could someone pick me up at the airport and drive me there? [/quote]
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
I know I'm new to the site but I haven't asked for alot of advice because I've looked around and seen that it is common courtesy to have a few posts before something like that is done. However, I'm noticing that since the permits came out there are alot of new comers that don't care. Particularly in an area real close to my home where I also got drawn. Why are we giving advice to someone with less than 20 posts and wants to know exactly where to find there bull?
I guess it just sucks knowing that I'm already putting in my scouting hours while someone from the other side is going to be told exactly where to go and get lucky on some bull that they don't really deserve.
Look, I'm no old timer here, but I've settled into my seat pretty comfortably and I've come to love the site, what it offers, and the people who've made me feel welcomed. You're complaining of people with too few posts asking for advice, yet you have made less than 100 yourself. It's great that you've joined the forum and it's great when anyone does, regardless of the reason. Unlike the stupid news channel forums where everyone gets pissed off about their gripe of the day, this is a place where people can go to be with other people of like interest - hunting. If you don't want to give away your favorite hunting spot, there's no requirement to do so. But, getting your sac twisted because a fellow hunter asks for advice is probably a little petty. Keep it light, have a good time, embrace other hunters and their common interests. Don't look for something to get pissed at. They have komo.com for that crap. I wish you the best of hunting luck and hope to see your bull pic this fall.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 20, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
[/quote]I am flying in to Washington in October. I haven't scouted at all. Can someone tell me where I could shoot a mature muley? I prefer 160" plus. Thanks.
Woodland Park Zoo, Oh, and don't forget your Discovery Pass if needed..... :chuckle:
:chuckle: Thanks! I'm not very good with directions...could someone pick me up at the airport and drive me there?
How about bus money instead ?
Post by: shedcrazy on June 20, 2011, 07:44:56 AM
I love these threads. :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: CedarPants on June 20, 2011, 07:45:13 AM
Post by: cld40 on June 20, 2011, 07:45:46 AM
this guy has 11 posts and is helping another person with quite a few more...
i dont have many posts, but i can tell you, i joined this site for the information, and good stories and pictures, i have not posted much, i drew toutle last year, got a lot of great info on here, but with it found my own way on that hunt, its just a baseline, the information you get here.
so for me , thats what this site is for, does'nt matter the # of posts, to me, if i can help i will, and when i get help, i really appreciate it...
Post by: piledup on June 20, 2011, 08:02:57 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
All I can say is for those that do get helped, please Pay It Forward to others as well. Thank you
:tup: :yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on June 20, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
How can we expect our sport to survive if we do not welcome newcomers? :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 08:18:27 AM
I think hunters should help each other when possible and it's up to each person on here if they want to offer advice or not. I don't really like slamming someone for asking. On the other hand, if you do ask for help you are well advised to do it with respect and tactfulness because you are asking someone to give up some info they have invested time and money in learning.:yeah: All for one,...
How can we expect our sport to survive if we do not welcome newcomers? :dunno:
Post by: CedarPants on June 20, 2011, 08:21:57 AM
Post by: CavemantheHunter on June 20, 2011, 08:34:14 AM
I would have been on this site long ago if I had ever heard of it. The only reason I found it was because after being notified that I was drawn for my bull tag, I started googling areas to get maps for the Toutle area and some of these discussion threads popped up. Of course I read them and saw that they were full of my people giving support and good advice to each other. I was excited to join and hopefully can give advice and get advice now for years to come. My point - I would have never found this site if I was not doing research for my upcoming permit hunt. And to say that it was disrespectful for me to ask for advice right after signing up to this site is complete bs. Should I have went to all of the discussion threads and posted 100 comments before having the nerve to ask for some advice. Anyway, in your world this site is a closed group and should not grow and allow new people to come and feel comfortable posting. I have gotten some great advice and talked to some genuine people and great hunters here and I look forward to doing that for a long time. Both on the giving and receiving end of advice.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 08:37:48 AM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on June 20, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
Post by: CavemantheHunter on June 20, 2011, 08:50:21 AM
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Post by: rasbo on June 20, 2011, 08:55:31 AM
( writing with Nigerian accent) Send me 1000.00 us dollars western union and i will give you exact direction to find elk in your state. Because I am an honorable man.:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: TheHunt on June 20, 2011, 09:01:21 AM
One item that has irritated me was that I helped a "Low poster" on his OIL moose hunt. All I requested was that he email me a photo of his kill. The story behind it would be nice. I got NOTHING!!! I told him were there was 7 camp sites. How to hunt it? The roads to glass.
I guess he was too busy cutting up his meat.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 20, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
I once made a comment to a newbee that with his first post was asking for help, I think at the time I had like 2,000 or so posts. I started to get a mindset that newbees should not sign up just to ask for help. I let him know how I felt. I then found out that it was a 12 year old boy needing help on a hunt .......... talk about beeing kicked in the nuts. I try to help people via PM when they ask for help now. You usually wont see or hear much about me helping people because it is all through PM. That gave me another outlook on stuff for sure. The more people I can help with info whether it is positive info about a certain area or unit or negative because it is ovver run with people I still try to help out. I like good carma. Helping people is good carma. But understan that I will not lie to people I just tell the truth about what they are asking.Ouch ..bet that hurt .... :o
Post by: HoofsandWings on June 20, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
Great thread...Did he respond to your PM? I have found that some of the users of this site don't look for PM's or look very rarely.
One item that has irritated me was that I helped a "Low poster" on his OIL moose hunt. All I requested was that he email me a photo of his kill. The story behind it would be nice. I got NOTHING!!! I told him were there was 7 camp sites. How to hunt it? The roads to glass.
I guess he was too busy cutting up his meat.
I gave some advice for Toutle once and the guy did not read the PM until after the season.
Post by: MADMAX on June 20, 2011, 09:49:52 AM
Isn't that what its all about really ?
I have been given good info from guys on here and have done the same and payed it fwd.
I have met a couple of you and the folks I have met were stand up guys.
Also, guys I have spoken to on th phone were more than helpful.
I think its the way it should be, no-one ever helped me when I came out here from Boston and learned to hunt elk.
I have helped many folks since those early years and enjoy doing so.
Post by: cem3434 on June 20, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
Fastforward one year and I am helping guys that got drawn for the permit that I had last year. I have helped guys that don't have very many posts as well as people who have hundreds/thousands of posts. To me its all about the way they ask for information. Some guys contacted me before putting in for a permit because they seen that I was drawn that permit last year, so I was more inclined to give them more information.
I think that the site should be changed where you cant post under the general forum until you post an introduction of yourself, but that is probably pretty cumbersome for the mods on this site. I too hate the people who's first post is, I got drawn for a permit and I want somebody to tell me where to find an animal.
The bottomline is, the forum is open to everyone and you can either choose to help someone or decline to. It's up to you! :twocents:
Post by: PolarBear on June 20, 2011, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: colockumelk on June 20, 2011, 10:31:12 AM
Also I asked for advice on places to hunt the Westside for Archery elk. I'm originally from Ellensburg and have never hunted or ventured into the West Side of the PCT. Furthermore I'm in the Army and stationed on the East Coast so I can't exactly scout out areas. So I asked for some places such as GMU's and Trailheads (basic broad info) and by PM what I got in return was grid coordinates, names of basins and some pretty detailed information. So now because of members on this site once I draw my bull tag on the East side I now have a place to start hunting and some good knowledge about the West Side. Without this advice I'd waste the first hunting season or 3 just trying to figure out where elk exist. So with all this help how can I not return the favor.
On the other hand I've had places ruined before by helping out. Generally speaking if someone is too lazy to even hit the search button on a forum then they are probably the inconsiderate lazy slob hunter we all to often see. So I don't want them hunting anywhere near me. But if they have done their research and this is just part of their overall research then I'll give some stuff up.
But.... there are places I will never give up. Such as if its a shared honeyhole or area. It's completely disrespectfull to my brother and friends to give up a secluded spot to the world since its not "my" spot. Its our hunting groups spot. Furthermore if someone has given me advice on where to go aka the advice I got from members on here I will NEVER give those spots up. Again its not my spot its someone elses spot that they were kind enough to share with me. I would never disrespect that person by giving someone else those spots. The only time I give up somewhat detailed info is if its my spot and my spot only. But generally I just give up general parts of a GMU. Such as go up to Lost Lake in the Manastash. That is a spot that only I go to in my group so I have no problem steering people there. Plus I don't hunt it anymore.
Generally I just try to feel the person out and decide how much or what info I'll give up.
Post by: Cascade on June 20, 2011, 10:33:52 AM
However, I won't give out honey holes for this exact reason.
The next year they had 11 people in their camp and all of them were hunting the area that I told them about. This same thing happened when I told a guy about a spot in the Mt. Adams wilderness where we have taken some dandy benchlegs. I will never again give out specifics to another newbie. There are a couple of longtimers on her that I wouldn't hesitate to help but unless you have been on here a while and I have a good feel of whether you are trustworthy or not, not gonna happen.
Post by: Swatson on June 20, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Post by: BuckHunter23 on June 20, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
Don't judge a member by the number of posts they have. Not everyone has the the gift of gab, that many of you possess, and some are just shy and pick their opportunities carefully. Be smart about the information you provide, and don't give out your honey hole unless you want a bunch of people to show up or are done with it yourself. If this site is gonna be a Good Ol’ Boys club, then restrict the access and don't let just anyone join. Hopefully that never happens, because I enjoy this site and hope to continue to do so. And hopefully as I gain more knowledge from my own experiences, I can start to offer up advice to some of you.
:twocents:
Post by: CavemantheHunter on June 20, 2011, 10:45:30 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 10:47:10 AM
Thank you Swatson and BuckHunter23, I could not agree more. If I would have even known this site had ever existed, I would have been on it a long time ago sharing stories and reading yours. In doing my homework and searching for information on the Toutle hunt I came across this site and didn't hesitate to join. There are great people on here with a lot of passion and a lot of knowledge and it is a cool thing to be a part of.:yeah: :tup:
Post by: TheHunt on June 20, 2011, 10:48:45 AM
Post by: Special T on June 20, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
Post by: goosegetter79 on June 20, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
THANKS,
It's because of peoples one and only posts (like the above) that things go wrong. Now if the person had said, Hi guys i've been hunting x amount of years and finally got my OIL tag. Does someone have any info on the area I live too far to do much scouting so any help is much appreciated. I think if someone words it that way it would have been much better for his first and only post. :twocents:
Post by: Deer slayer on June 20, 2011, 12:58:17 PM
Post by: HOYT6.0 on June 20, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
If it's a special permit hunt I have no problem helping and have been doing that. I like to see people succeed in their permits. If people ask for help on hunting tactics I will help. I like to see people get out and enjoy their hunts. So another words I help just about anybody that asks. So if you need help with the toutle coweeman parts of the Lewis River just ask.
Deerslayer helped me on my toutle cow tag. Didnt even need to ask. Good guy and is welcome in my camp any time. Ive been hunting for elk for almost 30 years now. 10 in washington and the rest in Oregon. I dont post a whole lot, but I do help when I can. :tup:
Post by: Deer slayer on June 20, 2011, 03:06:59 PM
If it's a special permit hunt I have no problem helping and have been doing that. I like to see people succeed in their permits. If people ask for help on hunting tactics I will help. I like to see people get out and enjoy their hunts. So another words I help just about anybody that asks. So if you need help with the toutle coweeman parts of the Lewis River just ask.
Deerslayer helped me on my toutle cow tag. Didnt even need to ask. Good guy and is welcome in my camp any time. Ive been hunting for elk for almost 30 years now. 10 in washington and the rest in Oregon. I dont post a whole lot, but I do help when I can. :tup:
Do you serve 7&7's? If so PM me directions to your camp. I might even come pack out your animal for that kind of price. :tup:
Post by: 2legit2quit on June 20, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 20, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
Been on bowsite for 10 years, just found this one... Won't ask for help, DIY attitude, will always give help to fellow brethren though. A lot of nerve? Nope, and will keep tabs on this thread for sure.
Most people here are helpful, very few are not. This is the best hunting site I've been on. Don't make your judgement on one post.
Post by: MADMAX on June 20, 2011, 03:57:58 PM
Right on !!!!!
I'm there also if any needs info PM me on most elk areas except blues and NE I can at least try
Post by: stickinmaster on June 20, 2011, 04:05:29 PM
Post by: Wader on June 20, 2011, 04:50:47 PM
I know I'm new to the site but I haven't asked for alot of advice...
Yeah, you waited a whole 36 posts before asking for help with your wife's bear tag and offered nothing in return for the help you requested.
If you'll pardon me for 10 minutes, I'm going to pop up to the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum and play one of the word games. Then I'll come back here with 37 posts and be fully licensed to ask for help like you. By this time tomorrow I'll have over 100 posts and will then be entitled to tell YOU what you can and can't do here.
Ah, I'm just funnin' you. :tung: I see your point, but don't forget: Some of those who are new to this forum are NOT new to hunting and might be willing to contribute here (provided you don't run them off).
Post by: seth30 on June 20, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
Post by: Swatson on June 20, 2011, 05:00:53 PM
I know I'm new to the site but I haven't asked for alot of advice...
Yeah, you waited a whole 36 posts before asking for help with your wife's bear tag and offered nothing in return for the help you requested.
If you'll pardon me for 10 minutes, I'm going to pop up to the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum and play one of the word games. Then I'll come back here with 37 posts and be fully licensed to ask for help like you. By this time tomorrow I'll have over 100 posts and will then be entitled to tell YOU what you can and can't do here.
Ah, I'm just funnin' you. :tung: I see your point, but don't forget: Some of those who are new to this forum are NOT new to hunting and might be willing to contribute here (provided you don't run them off).
WHAT????? You're new to this site and know how to hunt!!!!! I doubt that!
Post by: longknife on June 20, 2011, 05:03:21 PM
Its superficial people that think they own that opening morning shot, because you can spend all your time and money on an area. Then get all bent because someone walks in at the rite time,(the guy that woke up late) and shoots it first,,,GROW UP! Its a sport, dont want to give info, dont, but dont be upset because someone else is good natured, and wants to help.
Post by: steen on June 20, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Post by: Wader on June 20, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
WHAT????? You're new to this site and know how to hunt!!!!! I doubt that!
OK, you got me; I admit it: Only people with at least 87 posts on this site know how to hunt. I'd ask those folks for help on how to hunt, but...I don't have enough posts yet...they'd be mad that I asked.
Post by: dreamingbig on June 20, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on June 20, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
Post by: Caseyd on June 20, 2011, 10:34:06 PM
Personally I don't think it matters one bit if someone signs up and the same day asks for information on an area. What makes a difference to me is how they ask the question, and if it's done in a respectful way. Then if they follow up and respond to the feedback they do get. Some people you never even hear from again after one or two posts.
Also, people need to use common sense when giving information on specific areas to hunt. You may not want to do it on the open forum; instead, do it through private messages. That way the whole world will not see it. And think about it, anything you post on here will be available to anyone and everyone on the internet, FOREVER. Try a Google search and you'll be amazed at how many hunting-washington threads come up in the results.
I also do not care in the least if they post in the Introduction thread first. Honestly, I have to say I never read that thread anymore. If someone wants to make a post and tell about themselves, fine. If not, I understand.
I didn't read all the responses....but I think this has been the best response!
The other day a gentleman signed up and asked for some advice about a moose tag. He explained a little about himself, children and recent hunts.
Told him that there was some people around who have had the tag in the past and he could probably learn from the site. Recomended that he share some stories and photos and get to know those that are willing to help. Shortly after he shared a story about his spring bear hunt in the blues.
To me that is someone who is willing to give and take.
Post by: one more on June 20, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
Diane
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 20, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: bloodhound on June 21, 2011, 01:30:07 AM
i hope everyone gets the best opportunity to get an animal, and hope they they feel the same towards me. every animal harvested is my best memory with my best friend. happy late fathers day pops!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 21, 2011, 06:08:29 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on June 21, 2011, 07:01:55 AM
8)
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2011, 07:11:21 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2011, 07:16:29 AM
Post by: CedarPants on June 21, 2011, 07:19:58 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 21, 2011, 09:18:20 AM
Its all fun and games, until somebody loses an eye !
Post by: PolarBear on June 21, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Post by: MADMAX on June 21, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
damm funny place
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 21, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
Post by: runamuk on June 21, 2011, 12:16:28 PM
how about we just thumb wrestle to sudden death :dunno:
I know this guy and he is the one upper of all times...he has done everything and done it harder, better, and longer than anyone else (get your minds out of the gutter *censored*)besides if it was that I'd be too busy to type :chuckle:
.... if you were in the military he was a top secret super sniper for 30 yrs... if you rode bulls he rode elephants for 30yrs...if you have the flu he has ebola....his guns are always bigger and better......and its always a 30 yr career :rolleyes: we added up one days worth of 30 yr stories and he was 600 yrs old to have done everything he said he did :o :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnfmly on June 21, 2011, 12:26:59 PM
OMG dude this is getting downright hilarious :chuckle:Who are you talking about?
how about we just thumb wrestle to sudden death :dunno:
I know this guy and he is the one upper of all times...he has done everything and done it harder, better, and longer than anyone else (get your minds out of the gutter *censored*)besides if it was that I'd be too busy to type :chuckle:
.... if you were in the military he was a top secret super sniper for 30 yrs... if you rode bulls he rode elephants for 30yrs...if you have the flu he has ebola....his guns are always bigger and better......and its always a 30 yr career :rolleyes: we added up one days worth of 30 yr stories and he was 600 yrs old to have done everything he said he did :o :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on June 21, 2011, 12:29:38 PM
how about we just thumb wrestle to sudden death :dunno:
I was in a marathon thumb wrestling match once. It lasted 36 hours and ended when I broke the guys thumb. :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on June 21, 2011, 12:32:06 PM
So you held hands with a guy for 36hrs, huh, so are you the one that was at the combine demo derby that another poster is looking for?? :chuckle:
how about we just thumb wrestle to sudden death :dunno:
I was in a marathon thumb wrestling match once. It lasted 36 hours and ended when I broke the guys thumb. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnfmly on June 21, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
:chuckle:So you held hands with a guy for 36hrs, huh, so are you the one that was at the combine demo derby that another poster is looking for?? :chuckle:
how about we just thumb wrestle to sudden death :dunno:
I was in a marathon thumb wrestling match once. It lasted 36 hours and ended when I broke the guys thumb. :chuckle:
Post by: Caseyd on June 21, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Post by: Swatson on June 21, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Post by: Swatson on June 21, 2011, 05:45:42 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2011, 05:56:56 PM
Are these two serious? Kinda like an internet DV!
There is a reason I am not on MM :tup: They can play all they want but a timeout might be coming if it gets to nasty :tup:
Post by: huntnnw on June 21, 2011, 05:59:55 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on June 21, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
Post by: huntnnw on June 21, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on June 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Dont lump us all in with your ranting saying he is a crock and one upper/I have seen some of his animals he has takin.And i have always found him to be a good guy.He has helped me and my daughters out with some good info
Post by: runamuk on June 21, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
Thats funny miles Poohbear..pretty fitting and post did exactly what I thought :hello: probably wrecked his day, but I am going with Poonbear more fitting..like tampoon :chuckle:
Poon...quit kidding all of us we all know you are not Cameron Hanes,but more like Larry the Cable guy minus the funny part. I have never met a overweight bowhunter out humping the hills specially at your old age.It leads me to conclude not only do you bait deer u also road hunt elk.
Another thing you are on this site daily! but nobody has EVER seen a animal u have harvested..you barely even hunted last year,but some how you talk this big game. Your mouth writes checks your arse cant cash...post up some pics or shut up. To all of us you are a crock and as miles stated a "one upper" :chuckle:
so using this logic since I havent posted a picture of "my" rack on here it must not exist :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: rasbo on June 21, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
I don't want miles huntnnw or polarbear to post on this one or any of the other threads about eachother.
This is getting out of hand for the site.
Post by: rasbo on June 21, 2011, 06:33:47 PM
Post by: bucklucky on June 21, 2011, 06:36:14 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 21, 2011, 07:08:38 PM
Post by: Caseyd on June 21, 2011, 09:25:38 PM
Thats funny miles Poohbear..pretty fitting and post did exactly what I thought :hello: probably wrecked his day, but I am going with Poonbear more fitting..like tampoon :chuckle:
Poon...quit kidding all of us we all know you are not Cameron Hanes,but more like Larry the Cable guy minus the funny part. I have never met a overweight bowhunter out humping the hills specially at your old age.It leads me to conclude not only do you bait deer u also road hunt elk.
Another thing you are on this site daily! but nobody has EVER seen a animal u have harvested..you barely even hunted last year,but some how you talk this big game. Your mouth writes checks your arse cant cash...post up some pics or shut up. To all of us you are a crock and as miles stated a "one upper" :chuckle:
so using this logic since I havent posted a picture of "my" rack on here it must not exist :dunno: :dunno:
Yup :rolleyes: ;)
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 06:36:40 AM