Post by: catwithboost on June 08, 2008, 07:14:33 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on June 08, 2008, 07:18:38 PM
Post by: Snowman on June 08, 2008, 07:23:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 08, 2008, 07:31:35 PM
Post by: catwithboost on June 08, 2008, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 08, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
This might ruffle peoples panties but Oh Well! Looks like so many guys got there bear permit just to get it and don't even hunt it. I realise gas prises have gone up the last 6 months but those same people will put in for it next year even with gas hire. Why do that? Is it a static thing or what?
That's funny coming from someone who stated "The price of gas I did not want to drive that far to get the extra mile I wanted." in this thread http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,7391.msg82119.html#msg82119 when you were only about 10 miles from home.
How do you figure "got there bear permit just to get it and don't even hunt it"? Are you basing that on the amount of people posting stories and results? Of the approximately 250,000 hunters in WA we only have 1200 signed up here so I feel fortunate that we have enough good bear hunters signed up to post pictures and stories.
Try going out to the units that they are hunting. You will find the hunters. I met hunters in Copalis from Everett and Vancouver. That's 180 & 125 miles respectively so I don't think it is all about gas prices.
You are always going to have a few that don't or can't get out for whatever reason, but those are far and few between. For examply a friend of mine drew Copalis and hasn't spent a day up there, but after he applied he was given an opportunity to go to Africa for two weeks. Of course he went to Africa. The guy has killed bears in 3 states and on the Q Rez, a totally dedicated bear hunter. Think he applied planning not to hunt?
Obviously you intended to rile people up for whatever reason, but it would be nice if you had evidence or experience to back it up.
I guess I just don't understand what you are trying to say or what your motivations are. :dunno:
Post by: catwithboost on June 08, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 08, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
Post by: catwithboost on June 08, 2008, 08:49:26 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 08, 2008, 09:04:48 PM
Since the season started I have only missed a couple weekends. Just ask my family or check my bank account. I may not have climbed any Mts. for bear, but I have hunted almost as hard as I want to this year. I may not have tried the nastiest spots, but that is because I know how hard it can be to get a critter out before it spoils when hunting by myself. I know my limits and respect the game I hunt by hunting within those limits. Just because I don't care if I kill one or not does not mean that I don't enjoy hunting them.
What pisses me off is you sending me a pm this weekend stating "You should be out hunting" then suggesting that some are pissing it away and saying your not pointing fingers.
Your "gotten Bear all the time" statement makes it seem that you think bear hunting is easy. Let me be the first to tell you that you have no clue how hard some guys hunt in order to make it look so easy.
If you were really interested in getting a bear you would not be "Just sucks sitting here with my hands tied wanting to try my luck."
You would be out scouting for spring sign, learning where the bears are and keeping tabs on them until August.
Post by: bobcat on June 08, 2008, 09:08:31 PM
Post by: bearmanric on June 08, 2008, 09:17:44 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 08, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Post by: catwithboost on June 08, 2008, 09:20:36 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 08, 2008, 09:26:09 PM
Quote
They are not expecting or even wanting a 100%, or even a 50% success rate in the Capitol Forest, or any of the other units.
Correct. I think Todd told me they only wanted 10 - 12% success when the initiated the hunt.
Post by: MountainWalk on June 08, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 05:54:05 AM
how about this? lets be angry at the folks who DO waste the tag..go when you can, and im happy with that.
When is a tag wasted?
When you only go once or twice or not at all?
How is a tag wasted if someone has plans to hunt when applying, but life deals them another hand during the season?
Post by: bobcat on June 09, 2008, 06:03:30 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 09, 2008, 06:04:29 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 09, 2008, 06:07:31 AM
BTK shouldn't you be out bear hunting?
:chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 06:15:31 AM
BTK shouldn't you be out bear hunting?
Nah, thinking about sitting on my tag. :chuckle: I will wait until fall to fill both tags. :IBCOOL:
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 06:24:56 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 09, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
So, another less-deserving hunter wasting a spring bear tag, with one lame attempt to hunt. Sure hope I draw again next spring! :IBCOOL:
Post by: MIKEXRAY on June 09, 2008, 06:50:05 AM
Post by: DeKuma on June 09, 2008, 06:52:31 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 09, 2008, 06:58:48 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 04:18:50 PM
Quote
See this thread was not started to piss people off but had a good idea some would take it that way.
Not intended to piss people off? Your first sentence stated that you knew it might and that you didn't care if it did.
Quote
This might ruffle peoples panties but Oh Well!
Why stir the pot?
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 04:26:02 PM
Post by: bearmanric on June 09, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 05:01:50 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 05:06:04 PM
Quote
It was meant for people that apply for it with no intention of using it.
Why would anyone do that? Why take the time and money to apply for something you won't use? Lord knows WDF&W doesn't make it easy. Makes no sense to me. :dunno:
Post by: Snowman on June 09, 2008, 05:32:24 PM
You guys are acting like children and blowing this all out of the proportion. I was not referring to heart attacks and deaths and all of that. It was meant for people that apply for it with no intention of using it. Rick you have had lots of health problems so this does not even apply to you!
I agree with catwithboost here on this. Obvious there are going to be some unforeseen circumstances and that's not the bitch. The bitch is that there are those guys who apply with no intentions on going or just want the tag for status symbol and then there are those who apply just to apply. There's others with the intent on going but family, work or other issues come about. I feel the same way if you apply than use if you can, but to apply with no intent on using than ya quite there is those of that would use it. I don't think he was addressing to anyone in particular, more as he was complaining about those that get it and don't plan on using it. I agree if you don't plan on using it than don't apply plain and simply!! No reason to jump all over him for stating his opinion.
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 05:37:06 PM
Quote
The bitch is that there are those guys who apply with no intentions on going or just want the tag for status symbol and then there are those who apply just to apply.
Again, who are these people? Do they exist? What type of status do you gain?
Post by: DeKuma on June 09, 2008, 05:38:56 PM
Nuff said?
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
Post by: Ray on June 09, 2008, 05:47:52 PM
I applied for a spring bear tag this year. By the time the draw happened I had already changed gears and had been committed to a trip to Europe. Family rules over hunting. Originally I was not going until the last week of may but there was a monkey wrench thrown in at the last minute. I suppose the alternative would have been to divorce my wife and disown my kid or hunt a bear if I had drawn that tag. Glad I didn't though.
I never met someone that bought a tag they didn't want to use. They are not cheap. I suppose anti hunters would though..
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 09, 2008, 05:53:47 PM
I try hard to only apply for tags that I intend to use but sometime circumstances that are out of my control force me to change my plans....... I just pulled my New Mexico elk and deer apps out of the draw as I would rather hunt Idaho this year and didnt want to take a tag from someone who would die for the chance.
Post by: Ray on June 09, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 09, 2008, 05:58:23 PM
I was in the perrygin unit about five years ago during the late hunt and I watched an older guy stop his truck and shoot a doe on the third day of the season. We talked to him and he Said "this deer tastes good the big ones don't" He was strictly after a doe. His tag his choice. good for him for having a successful hunt. I don't care what people do with there tags, its there life.
I saw the same thing a few years back in the Quinault unit during a rut hunt for Rosies. Only 5 tags, 3pt or better or anterless. Opening morning a couple hundred yards from the road this guys kills a 3pt dink and is happy as all get out. It is a hard draw and most people kill decent bulls, but he was happy.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 09, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
I never met someone that bought a tag they didn't want to use. They are not cheap. I suppose anti hunters would though..
[/quote]
WDFW does there best work with statistics. :dunno: It's all factored into the formula :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: The odds are right where they want em :P
Post by: ICEMAN on June 09, 2008, 07:52:23 PM
Maybe a way to give your permit to another hunter? Sell?
Wildlife sells off all the game in this state...I see no reason why a hunter who at the last minute cannot go, could not (with proper documentation) give the permit to a friend who can go...
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 08:20:33 PM
Stupid Idea #167:I have to say that is smarter then my post started. :twocents: :kneel:
Maybe a way to give your permit to another hunter? Sell?
Wildlife sells off all the game in this state...I see no reason why a hunter who at the last minute cannot go, could not (with proper documentation) give the permit to a friend who can go...
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 08:22:55 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on June 09, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on June 09, 2008, 09:11:31 PM
Post by: catwithboost on June 09, 2008, 09:15:51 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 10, 2008, 06:09:32 AM
My problem with transferable tags........ If you have a lobby group then you can get your whole family and pile of friends that don't hunt to put in for you. This may be extreme as it would cost you a frinckin fortune, but you could seriously get all your fishing buddies to put in for 5 bucks then get your tag. I see it alot on the Rez where cousins, aunts and grandmas who have ZERO intention of hunting, put in for th emoose tag, then have the hunter of the family go get a moose, elk or whatever it is they need a tag for, which isn't much, but thats a different thread.
Then what happens when the original tag holder wants his tag back? :chuckle:
I could easily see the above scenerio happening. This is a bit different, but I know people that apply for ghost points for their kids and wife so that the points build up and in the future they can apply as partners. Pretty smart if you ask me. :chuckle:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 10, 2008, 06:27:02 AM
My problem with transferable tags........ If you have a lobby group then you can get your whole family and pile of friends that don't hunt to put in for you. This may be extreme as it would cost you a frinckin fortune, but you could seriously get all your fishing buddies to put in for 5 bucks then get your tag. I see it alot on the Rez where cousins, aunts and grandmas who have ZERO intention of hunting, put in for th emoose tag, then have the hunter of the family go get a moose, elk or whatever it is they need a tag for, which isn't much, but thats a different thread.
+1
It would cost about 400 bucks to build points for 10 people for deer or elk............I think there would be more than a few taking advantage of that....including myself.
Post by: BlackTail on June 10, 2008, 11:53:56 AM
Think of how hard it would be to draw some of these tags if people had their whole family putting in for them too. I think you would turn a lot of tags into the equivalent of the governors tag.
:bdid:
Post by: Ray on June 10, 2008, 02:33:30 PM
Post by: tmike on June 10, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
Quote
So who are the people who go into the special draw and don't want to hunt?PETA :dunno: Those are the only ones I can think of.
Post by: Ray on June 10, 2008, 02:43:08 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 10, 2008, 04:19:44 PM
So who are the people who go into the special draw and don't want to hunt? I think you guys are just looking for a reason to gripe.
That has been my question all along, but I am not getting any answers. :dunno:
Post by: BlackTail on June 10, 2008, 04:47:38 PM
The second part of my comment was about why I thought transfering a tag was a really bad idea. I think it's very easy to see how someone, with no interest at all in hunting, might put in for tags if they thought some money could be made off of drawing and transfering them.
Post by: catwithboost on June 10, 2008, 06:06:20 PM
catwithboost, I understood your post from the start and see your point about people with no intention of hunting a certain tag (not sure how many fall into that category, but I see your point). That being said, why would you then turn around and say you like the idea of transfering tags?? Talk about people putting in for a draw with not intention of hunting....I was not looking at the transfer as a scam point. I was looking at the honest point of it. Notbeing able to use it and being able to tranfer so it does not go to waist.
Think of how hard it would be to draw some of these tags if people had their whole family putting in for them too. I think you would turn a lot of tags into the equivalent of the governors tag.
:bdid:
Post by: Ray on June 10, 2008, 06:21:13 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 10, 2008, 07:28:33 PM