Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 21, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
DO you let him shoot the 3 point and eat the doe tag? Or do you shoot the 3 point and let him shoot his doe?
Or do you go unethical and let him shoot both?
This is totally hypothetical.
Post by: yelp on June 21, 2011, 05:32:24 PM
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Post by: yelp on June 21, 2011, 05:46:03 PM
I would not let him shoot both.
I agree. I ran into a father that did this to his son. He got greedy made him shoot both and then made his kid lie to the Gamey. The gamey knew the kid was lieing for his Dad..he didn't want to dissappoint him. The father and the gamey had a heart to heart and the Gamey almost lost his cool...That is a great memory to share as father and son! I felt sorry for the son. Not worth it!
Post by: gaddy on June 21, 2011, 05:46:50 PM
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Post by: rtspring on June 21, 2011, 06:12:14 PM
if you get the doe and the buck lined up good enough he can get a twofer one... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I would let the boy decide, if he sees one before the other.. I have a cow tag, but if I see a spike in the first few days before the cow tag is good, am I going to let the spike walk by? uh hell no thats a dead spike. and the cow tag will be made into some good soup.....
thats hunting.........
good luck to your son.. safe hunting ......
Post by: rasbo on June 21, 2011, 06:35:01 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 21, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
It is ultimately your choice but I can guarantee you wont want to kill that deer when you see his excitement.
Thats what it is all about right there.
Post by: 6x6in6 on June 21, 2011, 08:07:51 PM
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 21, 2011, 08:55:27 PM
I don't care if shoot a deer. That is why it was posed in a question.
I couldn't let him shoot both. I tow the line when it comes to ethical and my son. I want him to learn better than i did.
If we see a legal buck i am sure he will want me to shoot it as he is the first in my eyes. SO he always goes first.
When we are fishing, he wants me to reel the first fish in now because i always make him reel them in. And i rafely catch fish when he is around.
Post by: jackelope on June 21, 2011, 08:56:13 PM
... sorry to say think dads gonna take the fall this year.
Thats the way it should be.
Let the kid do what he wants to do. Don't worry about killing 2 deer. If you really need meat, go to the grocery store. It's a hell of a lot cheaper. I wouldn't personally care which one he shoots as long as we had a great time hunting together. I could care less if we got 2 deer, no deer, 1 deer, whatever...enjoy your time with the boy in the woods teaching him how to be a good responsible outdoorsman. Do not let him shoot both, that is unethical yes, but it's also illegal. No need to teach him to do that.
Post by: Bob33 on June 21, 2011, 08:59:50 PM
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Post by: ribka on June 21, 2011, 11:54:22 PM
What's wrong with teaching your son that every deer is a trophy? Any deer your son shoots should be a great moment! Telling him that a buck is worthy, but a doe isn't, does not teach your son the respect for all game he should have. :twocents:
Bob you nailed it!!
Post by: RadSav on June 22, 2011, 04:32:49 AM
Are you really thinking of taking that experience of his first deer being a nice buck away from him? Even if it is not his first I would doubt it matters. If he misses the doe, because "Dad" is too busy trying to kill the buck what's the prize - Dad killed another deer and I suck? Is he really going to be happy for you? Probably not! He will be too depressed about missing his deer. If this is really a question you are fighting with it might be better if you go hunt on your own and your son goes hunting with an unselfish uncle or grandpa.
My father never even took his rifle out of the truck until I got mine. He did take the single shot .410 along so I could kill a grouse too. To this day I strive to be as good a man as my father. Honestly, I doubt I ever will.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 22, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
Remember i posed this in question form? It wasn't in the querstion of help me make a decision it was what would you do. Remember? Hypothetical.
I already know what i would do, i was asking what would you do.
I could have worded it a little different but i wanted answers from everyone.
There are a few on this board that know me well, and i would never take an opportunity from my son.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 22, 2011, 07:17:07 AM
My daughter asked me almost this same question. "Dad, since I have a doe tag but it is general season...could I shoot a buck if I get the chance?" My reply was, if you want to shoot the buck and we can get you a good shot you bet! If you get a good shot at a doe I expect you to take it as that is the permit you have. Those tags are given out for a reason and I would like to see it used on a doe, but if you get the chance at a buck and want to, you can shoot it. I went on to explain that we see a lot of does every year that offer real good shots and that she will most likely have a little nervous energy when the time comes and making a quality shot is what her first hunt is all about to me. If she is not ready there will be no shot. I under no circumstances will compete with her for any deer, and no deer is worth making this first year anything but an awesome time for her and I. This year it is all about her, and I cannot wait!Enough said right there, its my 12 yo daughter's second season, first doe tag draw and thats exactly how I have done it with all three of my children. Buck's get head mounts and doe's get whole hide tanned.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 07:30:09 AM
really? your asking this question?
He's asking for advice. Offer some or don't. Judging doesn't fit well here.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 07:34:33 AM
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Post by: ghosthunter on June 22, 2011, 07:46:05 AM
On a side note: Many fathers have tried to get kids to lie about who shot what over the years. Most found out the kids fear the Game Agent more than what their dads will do.
Most agents will split you and kid up knowing the kid will have the real story.
I would set back and enjoy watching the kid.
Post by: h20hunter on June 22, 2011, 07:56:28 AM
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Post by: loper on June 22, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
And then give him a high-5 for taking his first big game animal. :whoo:
Your scenario is almost exactly the one my son and I have this fall. :IBCOOL:
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 22, 2011, 12:24:03 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 22, 2011, 02:04:24 PM
Radsav nothing in my life with my son is selfish on my part...
Remember i posed this in question form? It wasn't in the querstion of help me make a decision it was what would you do. Remember? Hypothetical.
I already know what i would do, i was asking what would you do.
I could have worded it a little different but i wanted answers from everyone.
There are a few on this board that know me well, and i would never take an opportunity from my son.
Oooooh! I get it now :bash: :bash: :bash: I told you I would never be as good a man as my father. He can follow directions.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 22, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
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Post by: The100Road on June 22, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
really? your asking this question?
He's asking for advice. Offer some or don't. Judging doesn't fit well here.
Umm....... No. He's not asking for advice. He has mentioned like 3 times that this is hypothetical. That was my first response also. "is this guy serious?"
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
If a 3 point steps out??? What do you do?
DO you let him shoot the 3 point and eat the doe tag? Or do you shoot the 3 point and let him shoot his doe?
"Umm....... No. He's not asking for advice. He has mentioned like 3 times that this is hypothetical. That was my first response also. "is this guy serious?"
He's clearly asking for advice. Read his post. What do you think the phrase "what would you do?" means? It's a request for advice.
But, you're missing the whole point. Often, people get bashed by people for asking a question, as Gaddy did when he had nothing to add but a negative "really?, your (mispelled) asking this question?" The whole point of a forum like this is so people with like interests can ask questions and get information. If you have nothing to add but a negative comment, why not move on instead.
It's nice to see that everyone else responded with their slant and advice instead of berating the person asking "what would you do?".
Post by: rtspring on June 22, 2011, 04:19:48 PM
Very stand up guy, I would hunt right next to him anyday...
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2011, 04:23:24 PM
I gotta stand up for CHRIS ( WDFW) here. I met him last year and tried to get him and his Brother in Law on a bull up in the Little Naches. I know damn well he ain't doing anything illegal and was just asking a forum on what there thoughts were.. So get off your bashing if you would.:tup: :yeah:
Very stand up guy, I would hunt right next to him anyday...
Post by: The100Road on June 22, 2011, 05:22:20 PM
"Remember i posed this in question form? It wasn't in the querstion of help me make a decision it was what would you do. Remember? Hypothetical."
I already know what i would do, i was asking what would you do.
I could have worded it a little different but i wanted answers from everyone.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 22, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
I just stated a question to spur conversation.
We do not need the meat but we like the meat. I love venison. And i love to hunt. We do not buy beef in my house. We buy chicken and turkey and we eat red meat when we get deer and elk.
So i am glad people have offered up what they would do, that is what i was looking for.
Post by: dscubame on July 20, 2011, 02:31:57 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 20, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
Did you miss this one PlateauNDN?
"Remember i posed this in question form? It wasn't in the querstion of help me make a decision it was what would you do. Remember? Hypothetical."
I already know what i would do, i was asking what would you do.
I could have worded it a little different but i wanted answers from everyone.
Sorry The100Road, I didn't respond to your comment right away, it wasn't intentional. To clarify on my last post my decision is my son over me. He is of age now and has been bouncing off the walls waiting to go hunting. In our tradition one of the steps into manhood is getting your "first kill". This year is all about him and his journey.
Again, sorry I responded late and didn't catch your comment sooner otherwise I would've replied right away.
Post by: Huntnphish on July 20, 2011, 07:38:19 PM
Or do you go unethical and let him shoot both?:bdid:
Post by: azteca on July 20, 2011, 08:51:18 PM
I do not see where advice is being asked for at all. :twocents:
He's asking what we would do, not what he should do. Sounds like he already knows what he would do. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 21, 2011, 08:39:38 AM
I do not see where advice is being asked for at all. :twocents:
He's asking what we would do, not what he should do. Sounds like he already knows what he would do. :twocents:
I guess so. I'm not sure what the point of the thread is unless he's either looking to stir the pot (and it's well stirred on this one), or point a finger a someone who has fewer ethical constraints. I don't get it.
Post by: dscubame on July 22, 2011, 03:45:10 PM
I do not see where advice is being asked for at all. :twocents:
He's asking what we would do, not what he should do. Sounds like he already knows what he would do. :twocents:
I guess so. I'm not sure what the point of the thread is unless he's either looking to stir the pot (and it's well stirred on this one), or point a finger a someone who has fewer ethical constraints. I don't get it.
Because it is a internet forum and that's what people do on the forum. It is a form of entertainment.