Post by: elkhorn on June 23, 2011, 06:20:04 AM
I also have a CVA Elkhornthat shoots T/C XTP sabot with 100gr. of triple 7. Groups about 4-5 inches at 100 yards.
Post by: JColony on June 23, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
Post by: Blsum on June 23, 2011, 11:42:13 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 23, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
Looking for ideas (bullet & powder) for my ruger ML. I'll probably mess with the combo anyway. Just thought I would see what other combos worked well.
I also have a CVA Elkhornthat shoots T/C XTP sabot with 100gr. of triple 7. Groups about 4-5 inches at 100 yards.
I would almost bet you, the Ruger will get tighter than that...
Bullets... You will see that I am not much one pointy bullets shot at ML speeds, I believe that a ML bullet should have a larger meplat to insure greater terminal performance in the animal. If I were to suggest a bullet(s) I would suggest a couple.
If you want a regular priced effective bullet for whitetail or Elk - i would suggest the Speer Deep Curl .452-300 hp. The copper is bonded to the lead and there is an internal dot in the bullet that controls expansion, makes it work somewhat like a Nosler... The 300 grain also offers a very high BC for a HP .233. The other regular priced bullet that works great on whitetail is the .452-250 grain Deep Curl.
Here is a picture of some that I torture tested in a water bar…
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FGoldDotPerformance.jpg&hash=1bca29cd7e1d4979939785c948d5e1314a63ccff)
If you want to shoot a premium bullet that offers you a margin of error at the target then I would suggest the ne brass bullet that Knight is offering – the ‘bloodline’ – these are made by Lehigh Defense and have been extensively tested. I have been using them for the last three years – awesome bullets.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FBloodlineBullets.png&hash=9b21d28da321776fcfe678eb258dd5d93e070499)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FCompositeBloodline.jpg&hash=f0771c8199c9548be7959c5a8dda18f2766ba1ed)
This is the new .458-300 grain bullet… Deadly on Elk.
Another offering is the .458-275 grain DOA – probably the best all-around hunting bullet out there. The .452-250 gr. DOA is available and makes a great whitetail bullet.
Here is the family, without the 300 grain bullet which is new to the family.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FLehighVariety.jpg&hash=1bcb9868b5301c81a26e01a446cac57fd278e287)
For a load from you Ruger, I would suggest 100-110 grains of T7-3f. This works very well for me from my Remington 700ml which is the same generation as your Ruger 77.
This was shot ages ago with my Remington and 100 grains of T7.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FTargets%2FTarget.jpg&hash=ed6091d6c25cd43cce5c92a930eb5193ea759582)
Post by: elkhorn on June 23, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 23, 2011, 04:26:24 PM
Thanks, what do you all think of Shockey's powder? Those Bloodline bullets look tough.
The new Shockey Gold 'Super Powder' is a lot hotter than the olde APP powder, but the new stuff still clumps. i would think on the west side that a powder that absorbs moitsure as easy APP might be a problem...
Might take a quick look at these two threads...
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/342964-testing-day-farm-jsg-sp-t7.html (http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/342964-testing-day-farm-jsg-sp-t7.html)
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/344365-mothers-day-testing-farm.html (http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/344365-mothers-day-testing-farm.html)
The 'Bloodline's' are a very good bullet - tremendous 'Terminal Performance'
Post by: elkhorn on June 25, 2011, 08:59:36 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
Barnes bullets are the way to go. Last weekend I shot my Black Diamond and got a 2" 5 shot group at 100 yards. I get better accuracy out of my gun using 80 grns of triple 7 fffg.
I shoot the barnes as well with 110g of loose ffg and it works great in both my guns a cva elkhorn and a xr black diamond :tup: I like the 290tmz's :tup:
Post by: jstone on June 26, 2011, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: elkhorn on June 26, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 26, 2011, 07:48:58 PM
-Are you shooting that Bullet for Elk or deer? Or Both :dunno: Im thinking of switching from Hornady sst's. Im talking for ElkBarnes bullets are the way to go. Last weekend I shot my Black Diamond and got a 2" 5 shot group at 100 yards. I get better accuracy out of my gun using 80 grns of triple 7 fffg.
I shoot the barnes as well with 110g of loose ffg and it works great in both my guns a cva elkhorn and a xr black diamond :tup: I like the 290tmz's :tup:
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 26, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
And to answer the question about how much powder burns? It depend on the weight of the bullet. The heavier the bullet the slower it is moving out of the barrel the more powder burned, but the higher the pressure in the barrel will be.
Post by: jstone on June 26, 2011, 08:07:06 PM
Post by: jstone on June 26, 2011, 08:13:10 PM