Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 26, 2011, 08:49:56 PM
i would like to get more velocity with the bergers, or at least someone to tell me that 2830 is plenty. anyone have any insight?
thanks
Post by: rtspring on June 26, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
I have the 700 REM in 300 RUM. I shoot the 180 scirocco's and thats it, they shoot very well out of my gun and I never have and signs of pressure.. Sorry I cna't help ya with more than that...
I have taken atleast 4 elk and 8 deer with this combo. Never had one take another step......
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 26, 2011, 09:24:51 PM
i always take high shoulder shots with my rifle.
this gun consistently shoots 1/2" groups with the 210 bergers and retumbo.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:38:52 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:42:24 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 09:47:41 PM
The pard is shooting 200 accubonds outta a win mag @ 3080. That RUM should be rippin em out there a hellava lot faster than 2860. I disagree, squeeze every last fps out of it, with good accuracy, Barrels are cheap.
Thats the thing If the groups don't stay small and there are pressure signs why mess with it :dunno:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
I also know that some loads use the h50bmg you might check that out, one of the slower burning powders out there.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:58:51 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 10:01:45 PM
Oh and I will put a 25-06 against that 257 any day :tung: :chuckle:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 10:03:27 PM
LoadID 11139
Bullet Berger VLD
BulletWeight 210 grs
Powder Hodgdon Retumbo
PowderWeight 89 grs
Primer Federal 215
Brass Make Remington
Barrel Length 26 (inches)
C.O.L 3.8 (inches)
Velocity 3025 fps
Group 0.25 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 6/21/2006 8:17:00 PM
Submitted By remman2506
Gun Info
Comment Very accurate load. Use it on steel 14x14 inch target at 1150. Hits very consistently, like 7 of 10. WIth a factory rifle!!
Energy 4258 ft-lbs
TKO 27.95
OGW 1831 lbs
IPSC PF 635.25
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Hear ya go bull blaster, 2 grains less powder, and a hellava lot faster.
LoadID 11139
Bullet Berger VLD
BulletWeight 210 grs
Powder Hodgdon Retumbo
PowderWeight 89 grs
Primer Federal 215
Brass Make Remington
Barrel Length 26 (inches)
C.O.L 3.8 (inches)
Velocity 3025 fps
Group 0.25 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 6/21/2006 8:17:00 PM
Submitted By remman2506
Gun Info
Comment Very accurate load. Use it on steel 14x14 inch target at 1150. Hits very consistently, like 7 of 10. WIth a factory rifle!!
Energy 4258 ft-lbs
TKO 27.95
OGW 1831 lbs
IPSC PF 635.25
I think he said he is already shooting 90g of retumbo which is 1grain more then that load you listed and he is 2830fps and that load data from someone on the net says that with 1g less it's 100fps fatser :bs: Unless barrel length is diffrent.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 10:13:00 PM
LoadID 6684
Bullet Hornady A-Max
Bullet Weight 208 grs
Powder Hodgdon H1000 Extreme
Powder Weight 95.0 grs
Primer Federal 215 Match
Brass Make Nosler Custom
Barrel Length 26 with a 1 in 10" twist (inches)
C.O.L 3.7750 (inches)
Velocity 3290 fps
Group 100 yds .247 for 3 shots (inches)
Submitted By Gun Writer Jungle Jim Scott
Gun Info Remington 700
Comment Caution - HOT LOAD, start with lower powder charge and work up with small increases of powder. Factory trigger tuned to 3 lbs
Post by: bobcat on June 26, 2011, 10:15:33 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 10:15:51 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 10:21:46 PM
Looks like from hodgons site the 3 fastest with The heavy bullets are the retumbo,h1000,h50bmg in that order.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 10:22:59 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 10:27:18 PM
LoadID 6173
Bullet Berger VLD
Bullet Weight 210 grs
Powder H-1000
Powder Weight 89.5 grs
Primer Fed 215GM Mag
Brass Make Nosler Custom
Barrel Length 27 (inches)
C.O.L 3.775 (inches)
Velocity 3185 fps
Group 100 yds 0 (inches)
Submitted By tumbleweed
Gun Info Rem 700 Classic
Comment I shoot my groups at distance: 300 yards= 3 shot 1.125." 600 yards= 4 shot 2.6875"
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 26, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 27, 2011, 08:11:34 AM
Post by: whacker1 on June 27, 2011, 08:20:08 AM
This is the one I have had best success with thus far.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 08:25:46 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
I meant I have data from berger that says max of 92a grains retumbo for 2930 fps. So I am not far off if you subtract 2 grains.
Post by: whacker1 on June 27, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
Let us know what you have success with, I am still playing with mine, but like what the 168's have done so far.will do. I will let you know when I get my rifle back and maybe we can hit the range?
Post by: whacker1 on June 27, 2011, 09:05:44 AM
Let us know what you have success with, I am still playing with mine, but like what the 168's have done so far.will do. I will let you know when I get my rifle back and maybe we can hit the range?
I would love to hit the range with you, but have an infant right now, so I won't get much time to do so. But let me know and I will try to fit it in if I can.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 27, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 27, 2011, 09:42:11 AM
Post by: whacker1 on June 27, 2011, 10:11:31 AM
quick question for you rum guys, do you all have brakes on em or not? just curious not trying to thread jack...
I do not have a brake, and shooting the 168's and even the 180's is very manageable in my XCR. It is not a heavy gun, so their is a lot of felt recoil. I have tried the Nosler E-tip in 180 and didn't get very good results, but had I had gotten good results I was prepared to put a Defensive Edge Brake on it. Those 100% copper bullets are long and provided a lot of resistance in the barrel. They kick like a mule. I would imagine they are much like the 200+ bullets these other guys are talking about, but I haven't shot any of those just yet.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 27, 2011, 10:22:11 AM
Please excuse my spelling and extra words in my last post. My phone likes to add words all over and change spelling.
I meant I have data from berger that says max of 92a grains retumbo for 2930 fps. So I am not far off if you subtract 2 grains.
Your excused. grin.... Just giving you somthing to think about with other loads. Have you done much killin with Bergers? I'd give the 208's a try, see what they do. Also, borrow another chrony from a buddy, yours could be haywire? Just a thunk.... Later
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Post by: MDGrand on June 27, 2011, 12:01:37 PM
As far as your velocity.. it seems a little low for that combo. But, you should consider the BC of the Berger.. the 210 is in the 6s.. that means even at 2800 fps at 400 yards plus it maintains its path and velocity better than a 180 scirocco or accubond.
If you are gettin MOA groups with it.. that is fine.
Personally... I shoot 210 Bergers loaded with 87.9 grains of RL 25. I get 2950 FPS out of my 26" Hart barrel and get MOA results. I am not going to change likely, but might try Retumbo as I hear it is more stable in colder weather.
Anyway.. What I am saying is your results are good as long as you dont have pressure probelms and your gun likes it. Just be sure to factor in BC along with velocity. Check out a few ballistic graphs and you will see.
Good luck.
Post by: whacker1 on June 27, 2011, 02:06:30 PM
Ya I am thinking about trying other loads. Just hard too with the accuracy results from my current combo. I will try the amax. I will also try another chrono but I think it is close the ballistic calculator gave me correct come up clicks to 520 yards. I haven't hunted with bergers yet. But have heard mostly good things. I just want something that will hit an elk like a freight train. I tried 200 acubonds and they weren't near as accurate. Over an inch. I will talk to Shawn at defensive edge when pick up my gun. See what he says about tell velocity.
I haven't had good luck with the 180 accubonds in the 300rum. I went back to the Berger 168 for that reason. tried several rounds over H1000, but need to try some with other powders. What does Shawn load for the 338 Edge?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 27, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 28, 2011, 12:51:12 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 28, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
I think I might try some 200 grain Barnes tipped tsx at some point this summer. Just wish I could buy a 15 pack of billets.to try instead of an entire box.
I know the feeling :chuckle: They are spendy to buy, you buy a box of 50 and shoot 10 and they don't group well then they just sit :chuckle: If you are going to be shooting long range with the bullets I would really look into the minimum velocity is for expansion with what ever bullet you are shooting. I think the Barnes needs around 1900ft on there web site to open up well. If you shoot way out there, your bullet will be going less then the minimum velocity and they won't open. That is one reason I haven't got into Barnes more. They take a lot to get them open and at that far the speed just isn't there. The nosler accubond is one of the best that I have found.
Post by: MDGrand on June 28, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
As far as Barnes are concerned.. yeah.. they are not and I would not use them past 500 yards.. they dont open up well when they slow way down. BUT.. for a bigger animal like a Moose or Brown Bear or Elk.. they put a great laser through the animal and if hit from the rib cage forward they will blow through any tough bone, hide and do the job.
Berger.. I would not use them on Moose or Brown Bear, everything else they are great for. They are incredibly unique in that they have a delayed ballistic tip like effect in the animal. Unlike a ballistic tip they do not shatter on impact rather they penetrate 2-3" and then blow up like hand grenade causing devastating damage. That is why, unlike other bullet shot at long range you see all those bang-flop kills on shows like Best of the West.
Accubond.. You can not go wrong. However, even when placed well, the animal seems to take a little while to go down. Now, this is my own personal experience as when I used them on a 6x6 elk shot at 360 yards.. it him perfectly in the heart, did not pass through and he continued to stand there, until I put one more in him to break his shoulder.
Each unto his own.. But I think the best Bullets out there come from Berger, Barnes and Nosler. The rest are just ok.
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Post by: MtnMuley on June 28, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 28, 2011, 01:31:42 PM