300 RUM handloading question

[whacker1]

quick question for you rum guys, do you all have brakes on em or not? just curious not trying to thread jack...

I do not have a brake, and shooting the 168's and even the 180's is very manageable in my XCR.  It is not a heavy gun, so their is a lot of felt recoil.  I have tried the Nosler E-tip in 180 and didn't get very good results, but had I had gotten good results I was prepared to put a Defensive Edge Brake on it.  Those 100% copper bullets are long and provided a lot of resistance in the barrel.  They kick like a mule.  I would imagine they are much like the 200+ bullets these other guys are talking about, but I haven't shot any of those just yet.

[257 Wby Mag]

Please excuse my spelling and extra words in my last post. My phone likes to add words all over and change spelling.

I meant I have data from berger that says max of 92a grains retumbo for 2930 fps. So I am not far off if you subtract 2 grains.

Your excused. grin.... Just giving you somthing to think about with other loads. Have you done much killin with Bergers? I'd give the 208's a try, see what they do. Also, borrow another chrony from a buddy, yours could be haywire? Just a thunk.... Later

[BULLBLASTER]

Ya I am thinking about trying other loads. Just hard too with the accuracy results from my current combo. I will try the amax. I will also try another chrono but I think it is close the ballistic calculator gave me correct come up clicks to 520 yards. I haven't hunted with bergers yet. But have heard mostly good things. I just want something that will hit an elk like a freight train. I tried 200 acubonds and they weren't near as accurate. Over an inch. I will talk to Shawn at defensive edge when pick up my gun. See what he says about tell velocity.

[MDGrand]

The A-Max is not a hunting bullet. I know a few guys here have used it for specifically that and had good results. But before you use it, you should know the Hornady specifically calls this a target round.

As far as your velocity.. it seems a little low for that combo. But, you should consider the BC of the Berger.. the 210 is in the 6s.. that means even at 2800 fps at 400 yards plus it maintains its path and velocity better than a 180 scirocco or accubond.

If you are gettin MOA groups with it.. that is fine.

Personally... I shoot 210 Bergers loaded with 87.9 grains of RL 25. I get 2950 FPS out of my 26" Hart barrel and get MOA results. I am not going to change likely, but might try Retumbo as I hear it is more stable in colder weather.

Anyway.. What I am saying is your results are good as long as you dont have pressure probelms and your gun likes it. Just be sure to factor in BC along with velocity. Check out a few ballistic graphs and you will see.

Good luck.

[whacker1]

Ya I am thinking about trying other loads. Just hard too with the accuracy results from my current combo. I will try the amax. I will also try another chrono but I think it is close the ballistic calculator gave me correct come up clicks to 520 yards. I haven't hunted with bergers yet. But have heard mostly good things. I just want something that will hit an elk like a freight train. I tried 200 acubonds and they weren't near as accurate. Over an inch. I will talk to Shawn at defensive edge when pick up my gun. See what he says about tell velocity.

I haven't had good luck with the 180 accubonds in the 300rum.  I went back to the Berger 168 for that reason.  tried several rounds over H1000, but need to try some with other powders.  What does Shawn load for the 338 Edge?

[BULLBLASTER]

According to alwinearcher I think it was 89 or 90 grains of h1000 and a 300 grain smk. Not positive on that charge though. They are around 2800 fps as well.

[BULLBLASTER]

Here is the case heads silver primer is my handload brass primer is factory. It has extractor mark.

[BULLBLASTER]

I think I might try some 200 grain barnes tipped tsx at some point this summer. Just wish I could buy a 15 pack of billets.to try instead of an entire box.

[carpsniperg2]

I think I might try some 200 grain Barnes tipped tsx at some point this summer. Just wish I could buy a 15 pack of billets.to try instead of an entire box.

I know the feeling They are spendy to buy, you buy a box of 50 and shoot 10 and they don't group well then they just sit If you are going to be shooting long range with the bullets I would really look into the minimum velocity is for expansion with what ever bullet you are shooting. I think the Barnes needs around 1900ft on there web site to open up well. If you shoot way out there, your bullet will be going less then the minimum velocity and they won't open. That is one reason I haven't got into Barnes more. They take a lot to get them open and at that far the speed just isn't there. The nosler accubond is one of the best that I have found.

[MDGrand]

Barnes and Berger are my two favorite bullets made. I will fill the ammo belt that is on the stock of my rifle sometimes with half of Berger Rounds and Half with Barnes. Since the POI is only an inch different between the two and I have the ballistics card laminated for both, I can adjust for range and wind very easily.

As far as Barnes are concerned.. yeah.. they are not and I would not use them past 500 yards.. they dont open up well when they slow way down. BUT.. for a bigger animal like a Moose or Brown Bear or Elk.. they put a great laser through the animal and if hit from the rib cage forward they will blow through any tough bone, hide and do the job.

Berger.. I would not use them on Moose or Brown Bear, everything else they are great for. They are incredibly unique in that they have a delayed ballistic tip like effect in the animal. Unlike a ballistic tip they do not shatter on impact rather they penetrate 2-3" and then blow up like hand grenade causing devastating damage. That is why, unlike other bullet shot at long range you see all those bang-flop kills on shows like Best of the West.

Accubond.. You can not go wrong. However, even when placed well, the animal seems to take a little while to go down. Now, this is my own personal experience as when I used them on a 6x6 elk shot at 360 yards.. it him perfectly in the heart, did not pass through and he continued to stand there, until I put one more in him to break his shoulder.

Each unto his own.. But I think the best Bullets out there come from Berger, Barnes and Nosler. The rest are just ok.

 

[MtnMuley]

I would agree, and also add the Swift Scirocco.  My Sendero loves them.

[BULLBLASTER]

Good point about barnes and.long shots. Maybe I will keep playing with the acubonds... I just want to get out and shoot.