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Title: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 11:28:33 AM: I've been having a problem with my 2" blazer vanes not bonding to the shafts, regardless of what type glue I use or how much I use. My fletching jig is the Jojan fletcher with a helical. Anyone have similar experience and have a solution for me? Thanks.
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Post by: Weehunt66 on June 27, 2011, 11:31:46 AM: What type shaft are you having trouble getting them to stick to??
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:32:04 AM: Wrap your shafts :tup: :chuckle: Problems solved :tup:
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 11:32:22 AM: Quote from: Weehunt66 on June 27, 2011, 11:31:46 AM
What type shaft are you having trouble getting them to stick to??

Beaman ICS Hunter 400s
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 11:33:27 AM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:32:04 AM
Wrap your shafts :tup: :chuckle: Problems solved :tup:

Does dipping accomplish the same thing?
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:36:53 AM: Yes but I don't like dipped carbon arrows. The paint does not stay of the shaft as well.
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 11:39:42 AM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Yes but I don't like dipped carbon arrows. The paint does not stay of the shaft as well.

Thanks Carp. I'll try that with the next batch.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:44:52 AM: No pro, the finish on some shafts will not let the glue stick well. With a wrap any glue/vane will stick. You could also try to ruff up the shafts with some fine sand paper, but I have never liked doing that.
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 11:48:42 AM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2011, 11:44:52 AM
No pro, the finish on some shafts will not let the glue stick well. With a wrap any glue/vane will stick. You could also try to ruff up the shafts with some fine sand paper, but I have never liked doing that.

Yeah, I've had problems with added water weight in the rain after sanding off the finish. I like the wrap idea much better.
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Post by: sebek556 on June 27, 2011, 12:04:40 PM: :con: wrap your shaft its the way to go :chuckle:
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 12:11:01 PM: Quote from: sebek556 on June 27, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
:con: wrap your shaft its the way to go :chuckle:

Lol, especially around this crowd.
Title: Re: Blazers not sticking - Is it the helical?
Post by: jackmaster on June 27, 2011, 12:16:40 PM: Quote from: sebek556 on June 27, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
:con: wrap your shaft its the way to go :chuckle:
yeah that for sure, hope my son heads that advise, cant help ya with the arrows... :sry: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: Button Nubbs on June 27, 2011, 04:32:11 PM: are you cleaning the base of the fletching before glueing them? They have an accelerant on them that if wiped off will prevent them from sticking.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 27, 2011, 05:42:18 PM: Quote from: Button Nubbs on June 27, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
are you cleaning the base of the fletching before glueing them? They have an accelerant on them that if wiped off will prevent them from sticking.

Yes, I clean both the shafts and the vanes with pure denatured alcohol. I've been told today that the Beaman shafts have a coating on them that inhibits bonding. The advice to wrap them was repeated. I think I'm all set and thanks everyone for helping me out with this.
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Post by: Button Nubbs on June 27, 2011, 07:37:31 PM: i dont go bareback any more. my shaft is always wrapped. :tup:
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Post by: Quackwhacker on June 27, 2011, 10:30:55 PM: I prefer to wrap then dip! Everything gets sticky that way.
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Post by: nwhntr08 on June 28, 2011, 01:46:15 PM: Wrapping is not always the way to go, it will add weight to the end and could throw off the balance of your arrows. I would balance them before adding more weight just to make sure. If they need a little weight in the rear go for it, if not you could see a difference in flight and tuning. To balance use 10% foc. When finding center include broad heads and the v of the nick for total length. Try lightly sanding the shaft before using the alcohol. Little alcohol on the face of the vanes don't hurt either.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 28, 2011, 01:48:01 PM: Thank you all very much. I think I have what I need to go forward on this.